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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: karee.bell on Sunday 25 January 09 03:27 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for any info on William Watters (Waters) married to Maggie (Margaret) Anderson.
Lived in County Antrim, Ballymena.
Had the following children: Ruby, Thomas James, Maude (Martha) Hannah, Jean, Hugh, William and John (twins)
they all emigrated to New Zealand in 1925.
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Found this marriage
Date of Marriage 18 Aug 1910
Groom Name william MCWATTERS
Bride Name margaret ANDERSON
Church Newtown Crommelin Presbyterian Church
Parish Newtown Crommelin
Civil District Ballymena
County Antrim
Surname Firstname Year Fathers Firstname county
MCWATTERS WILLIAM 1910 HUGH Antrim
ANDERSON MARGARET 1910 THOMAS Antrim
ANDERSON MARGARET 1910 JAMES Antrim
Not sure which is your Margaret's father as 2 Margaret Andersons married in same location & year.
You can search for marriage entries for Co Antrim at
http://www.ancestryireland.com/database.php?filename=db_QUIS
which shows 2 Hugh McWatters married in Co Antrim early enough to be William's father (both son of James, so could be remarriage?) - to Martha Morrow in 1852 (York St Pres, Belfast) and Jane Hills in 1861 (in Belfast Registry Office).
I also tried the 1911 census online at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
but couldn't find them.
You can also look at the indexes for all civil registration 1864 to 1921 at
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable
from which you can get references to order official certificates (there are over a thousand entries for McWatters in Co Antrim alone so expect a laborious trawl to find anything - I did find a Ruby born in Ballymena district in 1921 so there is hope!).
Good hunting.
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oh thankyou for a quick reply.
below is the information i currently have:
Starting at my GreatGrandfather:
William Watters (Waters) born 1887 in Shotts Lanarkshire, Scotland
parents : Hugh Watters (Waters) b1855 in Ireland and Jane (Jean) Hall b1860 Ireland.
William married: Margaret (Maggie) Anderson born April 22, 1886 in Ballymena, Nth Ireland
Parents: Thomas James Anderson and Martha Henry
Is there any other information on Ruby born in 1921, it sounds like it could be my Great Aunty.
I know the left to New Zealand from Liverpool on the SS Tainui, and travelled 3rd Class and had been living in Cloughmills.
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Sounds like this is definitely your lot, only using the name McWatters in Northern Ireland and Hills has been passed down as Hall. Here's Hugh and Jane's marriage
Date of Marriage 30 Jul 1861
Groom Name hugh MCWATTERS
Bride Name jane HILLS
Church Belfast Civil Registrars Office
Parish Shankill
Civil District Belfast
County Antrim
Surname Firstname Year Fathers Firstname county
MCWATTERS HUGH 1861 JAMES Antrim
HILLS JANE 1861 WILLIAM Antrim
Looks like they also seriously played down their ages in the source you have!!
To find the birth certificate details go to the link in my earlier post and search for McWatters, giving thousands of hits. Then narrow by Place (selecting Co Antrim) and by Event (selecting birth). Finally narrow by First Name, selecting initial R, and you will find Ruby quite easily. You can do the same for all the family members you know to get the info needed to order a birth certificate (name, district, quarter, year, volume and page) and apply online at http://www.groni.gov.uk/index/order_certificates.htm
Also found this on Margaret's parents
5 Jan 1875
Groom Name thomas ANDERSON
Bride Name martha HENRY
Church Newtown Crommelin Presbyterian Church
Parish Newtown Crommelin
Civil District Ballymena
County Antrim
Surname Firstname Year Fathers Firstname county
HENRY MARTHA 1875 JAMES Antrim
ANDERSON THOMAS 1875 JAMES Antrim
Have you tried the partial 1851 census for Co Antrim? There is a very good transcription on PDF on a recent link posted by OTTO on Rootschat - a massive file, but the best details I've seen online.
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Before you go any further it is quite possible that the 1861 marriage of Hugh McWatters and Jane Hills is not the correct family.
Submitted records in Pedigree Resource File (www.familysearch.org) have the following family. Although submitted records can be mistaken that amount of exact names, dates and places makes this submission look reasonable.
Hugh McWatters married 30 July 1861 to Jane Hillis. Children: James (1861), Thomas (1862), Isabella (1865), William Alexander (1867), Ellen Jane (1870), Mary Elizabeth (1872), Hugh Andrew (1878), Lavina Hillis (1878)- the dates of the last 2 children are Aug. and Sept.1878 so one or both are incorrect. The important thing with this family is that the children from Isabella to Lavina are born in Australia.
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oh ok
i have seen the 1891 Scottish Census, and there is a William Watters born 1886 (my greatgrandfather) with his parents and siblings but it has the spelling as Waters.
I know Hugh was a Mining Contractor. he was born in Ireland, but William was born in Scotland, i know at least on of of sister's which is Hannah, she married a William Gallacher and they and their children came to New Zealand in 1926
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Ok I am still trying to figure this all out.
I am totally confused.
Thankyou to those that have given some information, but I am still confused.
Is there any records for a Hannah Watters born 1892 (there abouts) in Scotland.
She later married William Gallacher in Ireland and they came to New Zealand in 1925/26,
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Scottish BMD records are available online at Scotland's People website. See www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for information on what details are on Scottish certificates (more info. than on Irish ones) and how to purchase credits to view them.
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Hi was hoping some could help me again
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Hi was hoping some could help me again
...and if you give us some details we will try to help you :-\
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where would i get marriage records and certificates for Scotland and Ireland
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Scottish certificates are available on Scotland's People website (pay-per-view).
See here for details about ordering Irish certificates-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,383526.0.html
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thank you, would you happen to know what information they would contain on the certificates.
thanks again
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Scotland's People gives examples of Scottish certificates on their site.
Irish marriage certificates give date and place of marriage, name of bride and groom (their marital status, whether or not of full age*, residences at time of marriage, fathers' names + occupations), names of 2 witnesses, name of officiant.
*this was changed from whether or not of full age to age in years (c1946 for Northern Ireland) and then changed to birthdate (c1973 for Northern Ireland).
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Hi, I have been doing research on the Waters family origionally from Sligo but I have noticed that sometimes the spelling is WATERS other times WATTERS. It's quite frustrating :-\][/color]
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Scotland's People gives examples of Scottish certificates on their site.
Irish marriage certificates give date and place of marriage, name of bride and groom (their marital status, whether or not of full age*, residences at time of marriage, fathers' names + occupations), names of 2 witnesses, name of officiant.
*this was changed from whether or not of full age to age in years (c1946 for Northern Ireland) and then changed to birthdate (c1973 for Northern Ireland).
Thanks, i bite the bullet and paid the 5 Euros to get the Marriage Cert of my Gt Grandparents.
and on it it had:
William McWatters son of Hugh McWatters (a miner) to Margaret Anderson daughter of Thomas Anderson (a farmer)
married 18 Aug 1910 at Newtoncrommelin Presbyterian by licence Rev E J Gilmore
address of them was Omerbane.
I have now also found their shipping list from UK to NZ and it was on the SS Mahana
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Glad that you were able to get more information but if you re-check the marriage certificate I think you will find the minister was W.J. Gilmore- William Johnston Gilmore was minister of Newtowncrommelin 1888-1916.
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ah yes it was.
need to wear my glasses.
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William Gallacher (born in Londonderry Ireland was my great grand father, his son John Watters Gallacher was my grandfather (william was his twin brother).
Jack (John) Gallacher served in the RNZAF and the RNZN during the second world war, he was based in Devonport and lived at 54 View Road Mt Eden and later at 22 Summer Street Ponsonby, Auckland.
he married Dorothy Boyle and had one daughter * who married my father and had 4 children * and one with * in Australia named *.
Jack and Dorothy split years ago (time unknown) and not much is known about what happened to him after that. He was rarely spoken of after they split
William Gallacher worked at the New Zealand Post Office. I worked along side him though he never admitted being of any relation
* details of people who might still be alive removed
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William Gallacher (born in Londonderry Ireland was my great grand father, his son John Watters Gallacher was my grandfather (william was his twin brother).
Jack (John) Gallacher served in the RNZAF and the RNZN during the second world war, he was based in Devonport and lived at 54 View Road Mt Eden and later at 22 Summer Street Ponsonby, Auckland.
he married Dorothy Boyle and had one daughter Diane Dorothy Gallacher who married my father and had 4 children Rodney, David and Letia Brown and one with John Williams in Australia named Cassandra Williams.
Jack and Dorothy split years ago (time unknown) and not much is known about what happened to him after that. He was rarely spoken of after they split
William Gallacher worked at the New Zealand Post Office. I worked along side him though he never admitted being of any relation
Hi there, William Gallacher wife Hannah is the sister of my Gt Grandfather William Waters (Watters/McWatters)
They came out after them I believe, I know that their granddaughter is married to a famous world runner in NZ (wont name him cos he is still alive)
Do you have any information on Hannah's family?
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A very old thread I missed seeing before now. Bringing it back to life on off chance it will trigger an email to DavidlBrown and that their email addy is still current (PM to them is not working - says inbox full, presumably it is just not activated as they only made 1 post on site). Anyhow, if it does and you are still researching Gallacher/Gallagher etc, it would be good to hear from you.
karee.bell, you have probably already long since discovered that Hannah Watters m to William took place in Scotland in 1910,
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A very old thread I missed seeing before now. Bringing it back to life on off chance it will trigger an email to DavidlBrown and that their email addy is still current (PM to them is not working - says inbox full, presumably it is just not activated as they only made 1 post on site). Anyhow, if it does and you are still researching Gallacher/Gallagher etc, it would be good to hear from you.
karee.bell, you have probably already long since discovered that Hannah Watters m to William took place in Scotland in 1910,
Yes I have the acutal date now.
I am more researching the Watters/Waters/McWatters line