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The IGI has a reference to one of my great great grandmothers: Mahala Chandler, married William Muggridge (b Heathfield circa 1809). In the IGI entry Mahala is listed as born at Barcombe in 1807. No parents are given. The marriage is listed in the same entry as 19th July 1834 St Johns Castro, Lewes, Sussex.
William and Mahala are easily found in the census records of 1851, 1861 and 1871, and her death is in the BDM as 1878 q3 at Tonbridge.
It is her earlier life that has me blocked. Is anyone able to assist with further information on Mahala and/or her siblings and parents?
If it is of interest I am happy to provide a considerable amount of material on the family and descendants of William and Mahala.
Thanks in anticipation.
Alan Muggridge
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Hi Alan
Back in the 1990's I transcribed both the Baptism and Burial Registers for St John Sub Castro in Lewes.
From the Baptism Registers we have the following:
1827 Dec 2 Chandler Sarah f George Mary OTP Servant
1829 Nov 15 Chandler Charlotte f d George Mary OTP Servant
1831 May 15 Chandler Mahala f d George Mary OTP Servant
1833 Nov 17 Chandler William m s George Mary OTP Servant
Hope that helps you - but unfortunately the dates do not add up to match yours?
With Mahala being such an unusual name, would think that they are related
Chris in 1066
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Hi Again
From the Burial Registers we have the following
1913 December 20 Chandler Albert m 5 York St 63 OTP
1889 September 11 Chandler Arthur James m 1 OTP
1911 December 16 Chandler Charles m 39 OTP 216
1828 April 23 Chandler Charlotte f 12
1834 January 30 Chandler Charlotte f 4
1860 August 9 Chandler Charlotte f 0.3
1906 October 5 Chandler David m John St 60 OTP 379a
1834 April 6 Chandler Edward m 9
1858 March 10 Chandler Eliza f 1
1886 September 8 Chandler Frances f 14 OTP
1826 January 24 Chandler George m George (their brother) 11 OTP
1826 January 24 Chandler James m James (his brother) 12 OTP
1844 March 8 Chandler Lucy f Sun St 2.2 OTP
1872 November 20 Chandler Mahala f The Union 42
1835 January 4 Chandler Martha f 42
1886 March 11 Chandler Mary Ann f 2
1904 September 27 Chandler Mary Ann f 74 OTP 482
1827 March 11 Chandler Naomi f infant
1897 June 2 Chandler Robert m 49 OTP
1843 July 28 Chandler Ruth f 18 Westmeston
1911 September 22 Chandler Samuel m East Sussex Asylum 34 Hellingly 373
1892 November 26 Chandler Stephen m 60 OTP 482
1826 January 22 Chandler William m 15 OTP
It looks as though this Mahala never married and died in the workhouse
Sorry about that - but there may be some of your ancestors in the above list
Chris in 1066
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Morning
I wonder if George was a brother of the original Mahala who named one of his children after his sister? Maybe it is a family name.
Kerry
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I've found the 1841 census for the family living near the Church at Heathfield
H0107 1108 50 5
Heathfield
William Muggside, 30 Ag Lab
Mahala Meygridge, 30
Somers Meygridge, 4
James Meygridge, 1 month
all born in county
Kerry
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Just found on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountySussex.htm#B
Mahalath Chantler
baptised 10 July 1803 at Barcombe to Edward and Sarah Chantler
Kerry
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There is a George to Edward and Sarah but baptised 1 March 1789 so not sure if it is the one Chris mentioned, maybe a son of a son? :-\
Also some others - William 1797.
Kerry
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Found this very interesting website about Barcombe's past on google which you might find useful/interesting http://www.bandhpast.co.uk/barcombe/barc.php
Kerry
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Hi Chris and Kerry.
Thanks indeed for your prompt replies. It is Monday morning in Australia, so I'll have to wait until later in the day to look at them in detail and respond.
Regards
Alan
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Hi Chris and Kerry.
Chris - thanks for the baptism and burial register extracts. The baptism is way too late as you indicated (I guess an adult baptism is out of the question?), and Mahala’s death was registered 1878 q2 at Tonbridge. I suspect you may be right in thinking that the three Mahalas will turn out to be related. I’ll keep these lists against the day I do break into the Chandlers.
Kerry – the thought about George maybe being a brother is interesting – I’ll try to work through that hypothesis to see where it leads.
Kerry - that is certainly the family in 1841. There is another child lurking somewhere – William born 1836 at Heathfield. I hadn’t previously picked them up in 1841, and the reason would be the surname spelling – eccentric even by Muggridge standards. Unfortunately the census transcription to which I am subscribed doesn’t have them even by that spelling or any others that I can think of.
Kerry – Mahalath Chantler – yes, I’d seen her in the IGI – her husband was someone else. Mahala herself is in the IGI but only husband William’s name.
Kerry – the Barcombe web site does look interesting – seems to be a lot of stuff buried there – I’ll work through it.
Thanks for the suggestions guys. When I first got the name Mahala Chandler I thought she might be relatively easy, but not so.
Regards
Alan
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Glad we could be of some help Alan.
I wonder what the connection between the name Mahala/Mahalath and Barcombe is then? If you ever find out let us know because I'm fascinated.
Kerry
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PS Do you know who the Mahalath married, I have just checked on the Sussex Marriage Index and she is not going up just Mahalia to William Muggridge??
I think the parish records need checking, if you are not able to get to Lewes Record Office you could try http://www.sfhg.org.uk/baptisms.html and asking for a look up. Barcombe is well covered.
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
Oops. I've just looked again at the IGI, and it turns out I was not quite accurate. I'm seeing two different records on the IGI.
There is a christening record for MAHALATH CHANTLER, 10th July 1803 Barcombe Sussex. Her parents are given as EDWARD CHANTLER and SARAH. There is a birth record for MAHALA CHANDLER, about 1807, Barcombe Sussex. No parents, but husband is WILLIAM MUGGRIDGE, with two children WILLIAM and JAMES.
The second record is certainly my MAHALA, but if you overlook the four year difference the two records are not actually contradictory. Census mentions in '51, '61 and '71 give my MAHALA's age as 44, 53 and 63 respectively, which ties in pretty closely with a birth year of 1807.
I'll certainly look a bit closely at EDWARD and SARAH now as a possibility.
I'm actually in central Victoria, in Australia, so reaching the Lewes Record Office is fairly difficult! I'll check out the site you suggested though.
Thanks again
Alan Muggridge
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Hi Alan
Otherwise if you have had no luck with the Sussex Family History Group and you don't mind waiting I could check the next time I go over to Lewes, I live about 14 miles away and like to get over there a few times each year.
Kerry
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For your information:
Edward Chantler married Sarah Smith at Barcombe on 10 October 1788 botp and by banns
Kerry
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Hi Kerry.
Thanks very much indeed for the offer - it is very kind. In the meantime I have plenty more holes to fill. I realised some time ago that in this business if you identify a person and solve a problem you immediately and automatically give yourself two more problems - their parents!
Alan
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I know what you mean Alan, but isn't that half the fun of it, or so I've been told anyway ;D ::) ;)
Kerry
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Alan, I believe you are related to our Chantler/Chandler's. I am also descended from Edward and Sarah Smith and Mahalah was their daughter. If it is the correct Mahalah, you might be interested in checking out our new Facebook page to research our family under Chandler of Sussex Research Group.
Or you may just write to me.
Carol Chandler
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Thanks Carol.
I'm juggling a number of balls in the air at the moment (well, not literally), but I recall that I was stuck with Mahala, who was a g-g-grandmother. You have inspired me to revisit the family history stuff, and I'll get to it in a couple days hopefully.
If Mahala is who we both think she is, then I have a lot of material on her descendants, and also on the forebears of her husband William Muggridge (or Muggeridge, take your pick). Is this of interest to you?
Regards
Alan Muggridge
Alan
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Hello Alan,
Thank you for responding.
The one thing a couple of us noticed with your research was that you had not made a final determination as to whether Mahalah Chandler, my g-g-g grandmother and daughter of Edward Chantler and Sarah Smith is one and the same with your Mahala Muggridge.
We're glad to share any information that you wish and if it turns out she is the same - we would love to include your Muggridge history.
When you stop juggling, I will look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes,
Carol Chandler
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I have just found this information regarding Mahala Muggridge. Mahala & William Muggridge had a son William born 1836 in Heathfield. He married Elizabeth Towner in 1866 and their first child was named Mahala Constance Muggridge born 1867. Mahala Constance's sister Louisa married Frank Drury. Frank & Louisa came to New Zealand to NZ in 1913. Louisa died in NZ in 1919. Their headstone has one of the casualties of the recent Christchurch earthquake.
Have information on this family.
Beverley
Wellington, NZ