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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: KiwiRose on Sunday 25 January 09 00:24 GMT (UK)
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I have been searching for Ettie Hamilton and have only found her marriage in 1905 in Templecorran, Antrim to Henry Moore.
If she was in her twenties when she married she would have been born around 1885 +/- 5 years. I have not been able to find her birth nor any trace of her in the 1901 Census of Ireland in the Carrickfergus/Larne area.
The 1911 census only shows Henry as 'married' but Ettie was not at their residence. She was not staying with Hamiltons or anyone else that I can find in the 1911 census. The name Edith, Harriette and any other variation I could think of failed to find her.
Today has been spent unsuccessfully trying to find her birth as a Hamilton and death as a Moore in the newly released BMD index.
Other than her marriage details the only other information I have about her is that she died of TB whilst still a young married woman. Her death would have been before 1919.
I feel the key to finding her is sorting out what the name Ettie is short for.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Regards
KiwiRose
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Henrietta is another possibility.
Have you looked for a baptism for her yet? the record might give a clue.
However, it might be worth checking the actual signature in the marriage register if possible. I have found variations between the recorded name and the signature in quite a few cases.
Another thing is that her birth is listed under 'female' without a first name being chosen or with a different first Christian name like Mary, etc.
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Thank you Aghadowey for all your helpful suggestions.
Putting "female" in the births is a great idea.
Ettie's name was found for me by jwaugh and I had been waiting for the 1901 Census of Ireland film I ordered to arrive, the on-line 1911 Census and the BMD indexes to get further information about her. Her name has been transcribed as Ettie in the marriage index so your suggestion of sending for the marriage certificate and viewing her signature may eventually be the only way to solve the mystery.
Kind regards
KiwiRose.
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Unfortunately there's always the danger that the entry and the signiture say Ettie.
Wonder if there's any chance it should be Essie (short for Esther) instead of Ettie?
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Thanks for those names Aghdaowey.
I've just had a quick try finding Ettie under Henrietta, Esther and Essie and that has turned up some interesting spellings and shortened versions of the names to work on. No Ettie as yet.
Should Ettie be mis transcribed the two letter t's could be ff's or other tall letters. I think my next step will be a search on a female names website looking for further possibilities to keep up my sleeve.
Kind regards
KiwiRose.
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Henrietta Hamilton b. 4/4/1880
Father James, Sallagh Cairncastle
Mother Henrietta (McMeekin).
James H is in the 1901 census
Mother Henrietta died 19/8/1917
Can't find much on Ettie though.
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
This thread is 10 years old ???
Henrietta Hamilton b. 4/4/1880
Father James, Sallagh Cairncastle
Mother Henrietta (McMeekin).
James H is in the 1901 census
Mother Henrietta died 19/8/1917
Can't find much on Ettie though.
Transcribed as Heneretta on IrishGenealogy.ie #358
Name HENERETTA HAMILTON
Date of Birth 1880
Group Registration ID 8783746
SR District/Reg Area Larne
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02877/2054298.pdf
KG
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Death of Henrietta Hamilton in 1917. #305
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05210/4440723.pdf
KG
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Henrietta died at 'Drains, Cairncastle'. This is probably the townland.
Drains Bog townland, Carncastle Civil Parish, Co. Antrim
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/glenarm-upper/carncastle/drains-bog/
KG
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Thanks for the welcome KG.
I'm new to this malarkey so please forgive my lack of etiquette.
I wondered if 'Drains' referred to Drains Bay - on the coastal side of Cairncastle? Henrietta was most likely staying with her daughter Mary. Sallagh is in the mountains on the other side (mostly sheep farming) - now made famous as a location in the 'game of thrones'.
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No problems, LfF ;D
James has spelt her first name as Heneritta on the 1901 Irish Census in Sallagh, Cairncastle, Antrim. It is transcribed accordingly.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Cairncastle/Sallagh/994534/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000365270/
You could be right about it being Drains Bay as the location.
KG
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Mary McAllister with her husband and family in 1911 census in Drains, Carncastle. She has changed religion from Presbyterian to Roman Catholic.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Carncastle/Drains/194633/
KG
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You are indeed probably right, LfF. This is a much better fit! :)
Drains townland, Grange of Killyglen Civil Parish, Co. Antrim.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/glenarm-upper/grange-of-killyglen/drains/
KG
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As far As i can see Henry and Henrietta had a son William James b.4/1/1906
He lived just over a year and died on 17/1/1907 in Holywood, with Henry listed as a 'milkserver'.
The only likely Etta Moore that I can find died on 8/2/1915 in Whiteabbey, (where she was married), widower Henry Moore, Barn Hills, Carrickfergus.
I hope this helps Kiwi Rose - we probably share some common ancestry through the Moore family.
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Thank you Luckin fer Freens and Kiltaglassan for replying to my post with your finds regarding Ettie Hamilton/Moore.
Since I originally posted I have viewed the image of Ettie and Henry Moore’s Oct 1905 marriage in Whitehead. The witnesses to their Whitehead wedding appear to be the Whitehead minister and his wife and not a known relation of Henry’s. The Moores are my line. When I learned the name of Ettie’s father and residence, Sallagh, I was able to finally track down and confirm her correct Christian name of Henrietta, and further details of her Hamilton family. (Her mother was also named Henrietta, though the spelling varies.)
Like you, Luckin fer Freens, I could only find one child of the marriage, William James b Jan 1906, who sadly died in Jan 1907 in Hollywood. Co. Down. William James’ birth was a surprise as the family story was that the couple had two daughters, both of whom died as infants! A grain of truth only. Just one child born between 1906 and 1914 is unusual in those years, but possibly Ettie’s health was a factor.
Ettie (recorded as Etta) died of TB at The Abbey, Whiteabbey in 1915 aged 33 yrs.
I have never managed to find Ettie in the 1911 census. She is not with her husband Henry. Maybe she was in a sanatorium at the time and her initials only were recorded.
Kind regards,
KiwiRose
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I have not been able to find Etta in the 1911 census either.
There was a Henrietta Hamilton, daughter of James living in Woodstock Road which is not far from Euston Street but they are all from Derry/Londonderry. On that particular record there is a transcription error with her age shown as 34 but is actually 24 - is this common?
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trsnscription errors are common enough say one in every family would be my guess
I rechecked the hospital for first names H or E with last name M and H without success.
1911http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/White_Abbey/White_Abbey/190643/ .
my searches threw up McMeekins in the area, could Henriette b 1880 have stayed with one of them so heres my search
1901 CENSUS
1 in Drains (Cairncastle, Antrim)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Cairncastle/Drains/994560/
Mc Meekin Agness 30 Female Daughter Non Sub Presbyterian
Mc Meekin James 77 Male Head of Family Non Sub Presbyterian
7 in Drains (Cairncastle, Antrim) http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Cairncastle/Drains/994565/
Mc Meekin Isabella 17 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Antrim Seamstress Read and write - Married -
Mc Meekin William 57 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Antrim Farmer Cannot read - Married -
Mc Meekin Isabella 60 Female Wife Presbyterian Co Antrim - Read and write - Married -
1911 C ensus http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie
No 1 in Drains now Loughrirdge family
No 7 in Drains now Doull, McNeill, Wilkinson,
No 10 in Drains now the McAllisters
No 14 in Drains
14 in Drains (Carncastle, Antrim) http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Carncastle/Drains/194637/
McMeekin William 67 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Antrim Farmer Read and write - Married
McMeekin Isabella 70 Female Wife Presbyterian Co Antrim - Read and write - Married - 28 1 1
McMeekin Isabella 27 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Antrim - Read and write - - - - - -
31 in Drains (Carncastle, Antrim)
Mc Meekin Agnes 48 Female Head of Family Unitarian Co Antrim Farmer Read and write - Single -
Buchanan Mary 28 Female Visitor Unitarian Co Antrim - Read and write - Single - - - -
so no sign of HENRIETTA HAMILTON B 1880 staying in 1911
Agnes McMeekin could be her cousin?
Henrietta Hamilton died in Drains not Drain Bog the PRONI valuation revision after 1911 I will check out more carefully next
Henrietta Moore might have been buried from the Abbey hospital to Carnmoney graveyard [more than cemetery]
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Thank you Luckin fer Freens and BallyaltikilliganG for your interest. You have certainly done a lot of research on the McMeekin side of Ettie’s family, BallyaltikilliganG.
A summary of Ettie’s known timeline below:
Heneretta (as spelt) Hamilton was born 4 April 1880 in Sallagh, Cairncastle to farmer, James and Hereretta Hamilton nee McMeekin.
BallyaltikilliganG, the McMeekins you found are likely to be Ettie’s cousins/Uncles/Aunts etc.
In the 1901 Census, the 77yr old farmer, James McMeekin is possibly Ettie’s maternal grandfather. This James died 16 Nov 1907 aged 80yrs at Drains, Cairncastle, in 1907, daughter, Agnes McMeekin was present at death. There is a will for a James McMeekin d 13 Nov 1907 Ballytober, Cairncastle but there is no image for further clues. Date of death is different by a few days. Possibly the same James McMeekin but date of death is human error.
In the 1901 Census Ettie is not with her parents in Sallagh, Cairncastle.
I have searched unsuccessfully for possibilities in both Antrim and Down.
In Oct 1905 Ettie marries Henry Moore and Ettie says she was residing in Sallagh.
In Jan 1906 Ettie gives birth to her son who dies a year later.
1911 Census Ettie Moore is not with her husband, Henry, nor with her widowed mother who is in Comber, Down with Ettie’s married sister Isabella’s Hutchinson family.
I’ve not found Ettie’s father’s death sometime between the years 1901-1911. There is a will of a James Hamilton, late of Sallagh, in who died 28 Feb, 1907. The will lacks details for researchers. James may, or may not, be Ettie’s father. I haven’t been able to find this James’s death anywhere on GRONI or irishgenealogy.ie.
8 Feb 1915 Etta Moore aged 33 yrs died of TB and burial place is unknown. Newtownabbey’s Carnmoney cemeteries are no longer online to check.
Thank goodness, I am not following the Hamilton line, other than Ettie herself, as they keep disappearing from the records!
Kind regards,
KiwiRose.