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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) => Topic started by: smiley56 on Saturday 24 January 09 23:22 GMT (UK)
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Seeking information regarding death dates and parents of James Wellington who married Martha Wrigley.1901 Scotland census states birth date for James abt 1849 and has him listed as Army pensioner.Martha is listed with birth date in 1891 census abt 1852.I am also looking to see where I can obtain any service records for James.They lived in Dunbar and he was with the Royal Artillery.Could anyone please explain the term in the 1891 census "Soldier B P Major".What rank was this exactly?Thankyou. Erika
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Hi Smiley,
Could be a Soldier Bag Pipe Major.
Tom
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Thanks Tom, that makes sense.Cheers erika
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Hi Erika,
James Wellington died August 14th 1901 at Castle Street, Dunbar. He was a Sergeant in the Royal Artillery. His parents were James Wellington, tailor (dec.) and Mary Ann Wellington, m.s. Eddo. Martha registered his death at Dunbar.
She herself died in 1907 at nearby Haddington, aged 55.
hume :)
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Thanks once again Hume.This allows me to trace back a little further especially with his parents names and mothers maiden name which I was having trouble locating.Have tried to purchase credits with a Scottish genealogy site but not having much luck formalising payment for credits .Therefore the information you were able to obtain has been a great help.Cheers Erika
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hi Erika :) (good work hume ;) )
don't know if you have this -
i see from the 1881 scotland census that they had 3 children -
95 high st(grahams close) dunbar haddington
james h 5 born england
bertha 3 born ireland
arthur i(or l ? or j ?) 1 born ireland
IGI HAS -
bertha wellington born 27th april 1877 carlisle fort cork ireland
parents james wellington & martha begley(?) wellington
arthur john wellington born 11th nov. 1879 queenstown no2 cork ireland
parents james wellington & martha wrigley
might help you track his army service
there is also from freeBMD -
james henry wellington birth 4th quarter 1875 woolwich england
as you probably know the royal artillery had strong connections with woolwich
http://www.firepower.org.uk/
ev
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Thanks Ev,
Didn't have the birth places for those children.Also grateful for the Royal artillery site as I had been looking for something to try and trace postings for James and the family.My Fathers mother is Daisy, listed in the 1891 census.She and her sister Sarah came to Audtralia and marrried two Gledhill brothers in Victoria.Will, a baby mentioned in this census also came to Australia in later years and lived with my grandmother.Don't quite know if he ever married or what happened to the other children on that census.Will follow that all up.Thanks again for your assistance.Everyone who has been kind enough to assist with my searches has taught me lots and I do appreciate it. Cheers Erika.
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erika
have you tried posting his army details on the armed forces thread
ev
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Hi Hume,
Still on the trail of James Wellington's parents.Wondered if you could tell me where you came across the info you passed on in your last post regarding James Wellington and Mary Ann Eddo?Further searches have indicated that James Wellington's {born 1849 died 1901} father was actually a Henry Wellington birth date abt 1823.As for Mary Ann Eddo we have not had any luck at all tracing her birth or parentage.I know I am not too knowledgeable regarding available search fields but I have struck a blank in regards to this surname.Have tried the name Eddy in case there has been a miss print somewhere with the transcribing but once again no luck!If you or anyone else could point me in the right direction with this search I would be much obliged. Have found a complete war service record for James son, James H Wellington born 1875, but once again no such luck for his father.This is my next challenge.Cheers Erika.
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Hi Erika,
The details of James Wellington/Mary Ann Eddo are from James' death certificate, as registered by his widow Martha. Therefore the details are subject to how well Martha knew her in-laws and their details.
According to their son William's birth certificate (1890 in Dunbar), James and Martha married 6th July 1874 in Gibraltar. This marriage certificate could be registered in the GRO Overseas records for the time, and would give James' father's name along with Martha's.
hume :)
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:D
Think I've found his parents' marriage ... The "o" I was seeing was actually an "s". ::)
Henry Wellington Dec 1842 Newton Abbot (Devon) Vol. 10 Page 227
And on the same page, Mary Ann Edds.
hume
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Me again. ;D
You'll be glad to know Mary Add Edds died in Scotland too, so her parents (if known) will be on her death certificate. If you are still having problems accessing ScotlandsPeople, let me know and I will get the details for you. :)
Mary Ann Wellington, nee Edds, d. 1902 in Dumfries
hume
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Wow, Thanks Hume .That was a quick response.Once again lots of detail for me to press on with.Much appreciated.I feel like the whole learning process with the genealogy hunt is a slow one for me, but what I lack in knowledge I certainly make up for in enthusiasm!! Cheers Erika.
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Details of Mary Ann Edds' death certificate:
Mary Ann Wellington, 76, widow of Henry Wellington, tailor
d. July 21st 1902 at Dumfries Infirmary (usual residence: 35 English Street, Dumfries)
parents - Thomas Edds, pleasure boat owner (deceased) and Elizabeth Edds, m.s. ----- (also deceased)
registered by granddaughter Bertha Pagan, of 34 Elmbank Street, Newton-on-Ayr
She also appears on the 1901 census at Dumfries:
Address: 38 English Street, Dumfries
Mary Ann Wellington, head, wid., 76, dressmaker, b. England
hume :)
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Great info Hume.Thanks once again for your efforts.You have also solved a problem regarding Bertha who was my grandmothers sister.We could not find her married name so it was obviously Pagan.Your details about the Edds family have allowed us to get more clues in our ancestry charts so that is fantastic.It is evident that the Dawlish and Newton Abbott areas feature strongly with both families too.Any ideas whether I can get any records online from St Gregory's Dawlish, as I've noted thats where all of Henry Wellingtons siblings were christened.Have tried a general search but not having much luck.Cheers . Erika.
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Hi Erika,
Not sure where you will get those records online. You may want to try the Devon board here on RC: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,10.0.html Someone is sure to know where to find them. :)
hume
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Thanks Hume, will do.Still so much info on these boards that I am trying to get through.Lots of good tips and sites to follow through with which is handy for novices like me.Cheers Erika.
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Erika, I have info on James Henry Wellington (b. 1875) if you're still interested -- he was my maternal grandfather. -- Alan
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Hi Erika,
It could mean Soldier " Battalion Pipe Major ".
Cheers.
Archie.
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Thanks to Allan and Templar for the last few posts.I have been looking at this family a bit more closely once again.Noting that Martha Wrigley and James Henry Wellington married in Gibraltar,(thanks to Hume for this information in a previous post) I wondered why Martha would be there in the first place? I can't seem to find an entry for either James or Martha in the 1871 census.If they were indeed both overseas at this time how do I go about finding a census entry?I would be most grateful for some advise regarding these enquiries.I can recall finding information about the living arrangements of wives and families of Royal Army Military Corps personnel regarding postings in Cork, Ireland some time ago which helped paint a picture of community lifestyle.If anyone knows of additional information regarding the living situations in Gibraltar of spouses and families, I'd be interested to learn more.I am also trying to find additional details about another sibling in the family, Frederick Charles Wellington.The last entry I can find for him census wise, states he is 18 years old and a member of the Royal Army Medical Medical Corps in Aldershot. This is the 1901 census.I have tried to find soldier records, but have no luck to date, so I virtually have no information about his whereabouts from 1901 to his death in 1973 in London, assuming I have the right Frederick Charles Wellington. Once again any feedback or assistance would be appreciated.Thanks. Erika.