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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: CA_Linda on Saturday 24 January 09 16:01 GMT (UK)
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Could someone clarify if Knockwalloch was a hamlet or farm?
I have seen it given on an old map at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. The lady there said she thought it was a farm, but she wasn't sure.
An old book belonging to Joseph Dickson (of Kirkcudbrightshire - went to Macoupin County, Illinois ca. 1841-1842) who had handwritten the names of Kirkpatrick Durham, Culshan, and Knockwalloch. With Gadget's help, I now have the names and d. dates of my Joseph Dickson's parents and that his mother died at Knockwalloch.
Thank you from California.
Linda
Menifee, California
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Hi Linda :)
I've found Knockwalloch Hill on the old Maps site www.old-maps.co.uk
It is just to the east (right) of Kirkpatrick Durham village. I'll pan around to see if I can home in on Knockwalloch itself.
It might be worth your having a look around the map as well :)
Gadget
Added - Knockwalloch is a series of about 3 buildings to the NE of K D village. It looks to me like a farm or small group of farms at the most
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Lots if you Google, including what looks like a Quaker Meeting House:
http://www.uk-local-search.co.uk/details.aspx?id=1295655
Gadget
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Gadget,
I saw that, too. That is one of the reasons I posted the inquiry. This would have been prior to 1842--I may try contacting the Quaker Meeting House.
If they were Quaker, that might explain why I have not been able to find a record of the marriage of Joseph Dickson & Margaret (Derby) who was at the time of their marriage (before 1825) was widow of William Welsh who had died about 1815. Also, no record (so far) found of the birth of their daughter, Helen/Ellen Dickson born abt. 1825.
Also have not found a marriage for William Welsh & Margaret Derby before 1815, but I think that one may have taken place in Dumfriesshire.
Thank you,
Linda
Menifee, California
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Hello CA_Linda.
I noticed with interest your posting re Knockwallock and thought I'd add my comment. I knew the name was familiar to me and also that it had been or still is a Quaker House.
One of my 2 x great aunts gave birth to a male child there in 1877. As the child was illegitimate it may be that she had gone there for the birth and some support. The certificate states that she is a domestic servant.
J.A.
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Hi J.A.
Thank you for the information regarding the Quaker House and the date of 1877 because they would explain and answers some of the questions I have regarding "missing" birth and marriage records of my Joseph Dickson family occuring in the early 1800s.
Linda
Menifee, California
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Hello CA_Linda.
I noticed with interest your posting re Knockwallock and thought I'd add my comment. I knew the name was familiar to me and also that it had been or still is a Quaker House.
One of my 2 x great aunts gave birth to a male child there in 1877. As the child was illegitimate it may be that she had gone there for the birth and some support. The certificate states that she is a domestic servant.
J.A.
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Hello again CA_Linda.
You're welcome. It would be nice to hear from another RCh member or two who perhaps could trace thier ancestors birth place to Knockwalloch. Here's hoping - that is what this site is all about.
J.A.
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I'm afraid it's not an actual picture of Knockwalloch itself, but of the coutryside around it. I just thought someone might be interested.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/browse.php?p=513415
Kirsty
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Kirsty,
Thank you so much for the link! I have spent over an hour looking at other locations and views both in Scotland and in England.
Linda
Menifee, California
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Just come across this ref of Knockwalloch. Besides being a smashing name to roll off the tongue, it was also the place of birth (1772) of my 5x Gt Grandfather. Family were described as farmers/masons. Also resided at Pipercroft also as farmers/masons.
Regards
Ian Clingan
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Hi Ian,
I have noticed Clingan when searching for my Dicksons in Kirkcudbrightshire. I see you have listed Berks County, Pennsylvania--were they Clinger, there?
Have seen photos of the area online--so beautiful! Would love to see photos of Knockwalloch ... I like the name, too.
Linda
Menifee, California
Just come across this ref of Knockwalloch. Besides being a smashing name to roll off the tongue, it was also the place of birth (1772) of my 5x Gt Grandfather. Family were described as farmers/masons. Also resided at Pipercroft also as farmers/masons.
Regards
Ian Clingan
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Hi Linda,
The Clingan's you refer to are my lot.
My Berks is the real one :-) Berkshire (Berks) England, that is.
Nice hearing from you.
Ian
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Hi Ian,
I should know better! When I saw Reading, Berks I thought you were referrring to "our" Reading, Berks. I have many ancestors who were there early ... early for us, that is (early 1700s). My Reading, Berks families were German and Dutch ... late-comers no doubt with the earlier settlers probably from England.
Linda
Menifee, California
Hi Linda,
The Clingan's you refer to are my lot.
My Berks is the real one :-) Berkshire (Berks) England, that is.
Nice hearing from you.
Ian
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Me again!!!
Knockwalloch is indeed a farm on the edge of KPD. Knockwalloch means the Hill of Walloch.
Further investigation turns this up, from The Book of Kirkpatrick Durham by Stark,p118:
"Dr Lamont (Reverend in parish)....bought...Knockwalloch in his own parish. Upon the latter he built a large house, which he named Durhamhill. It was built around 1820".
Knockwalloch is still a farm, as is Durhamhill.
Re the Quaker connection - a very common name around Corsock was/is McQuaker- I knew quite a few of them, mainly farmers.
Hope this helps.
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Just come across this ref of Knockwalloch. Besides being a smashing name to roll off the tongue, it was also the place of birth (1772) of my 5x Gt Grandfather. Family were described as farmers/masons. Also resided at Pipercroft also as farmers/masons.
Regards
Ian Clingan
Is that the Pipercroft at KPD, up the track past Barmoffity? It is/was a small croft/smallholding at the top of th etrack; my music teacher lived there, a Mr Fleming, in the late 60s/70s. It ahd no electricity and running water even at that comparatively late date. We used to walk up there for brambles and mushrooms.
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Hi Mrs L,
That's the one. If it was like that in the 60/70's you can imagine what it would have been like in the late 1600's. No wonder some of the family moved to the Gorbels in Glasgow :-)
Ian
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Interesting. I always thought I'd like to live there, actually, and woudl jump at the chance these days too :) When we moved to KPD in 1968 (from London), there were still houses in the village with no telephone, plumbed in toilet, etc.
Piper's Croft is in a lovely location; happy to photograph it (with owner's permission, or from a distance ) when I get back up there if you like.
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Hi MrsL
Yes please re photo. Haven't been there for years.
Ian