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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: MrsLizzy on Saturday 24 January 09 13:10 GMT (UK)
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I've received the birth certificate of my husband's grandmother, Beatrice Gladys Pratt, who was born 1906 in Tonbridge, and it shows her parents as Robert Pratt, a market gardener, and Kate Pratt, late Young, formerly Henbest (which at first glance I thought was Herbert).
I've found the marriage Kate Young to Robert Pratt in the last quarter of 1902, and I've found Kate with her first husband Ernest Arthur Young and their children Lilian Kate Young aged 3 and May Beiye Young aged 10 months, in the 1901 census. Kate was 34 in 1901 and it says she was born in Midhurst, Sussex. Ernest was 32, born in Lewes, Sussex.
I've been trying to find the death of Ernest between the 1901 census and Kate's marriage to Robert Pratt, but haven't found it, nor can I find the birth of a Kate Henbest anywhere between 1866 and 1868.
Does anyone have any suggestions please?
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In 1871 there is a Kate Lyne HENBEST living with her widower father, Francis, in Westhampnett, Sussex. Her place of birth is Fordingbridge.
There is a birth on freeBMD for Kate Lyne HENBEST in the Sep quarter of 1864.
HENBEST is certainly a New Forest name.
Amended - I think her father was Francis :-[
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Hi MrsLizzy :)
Complete shots in the dark :D
Kates first marriage seems to be indexed under Kate Henbest and Herbert, and appears to be to EDWARD Young.
June 1893
Horsham
2b 631
Have looked for deaths for him, under Ernest, Edward, Arthur and all combos, closest I could find was;
June 1901
Arthur Young, aged 35
Prescot
8b 490
Not sure when 1901 census was taken, so this is just a suggestion as Prescot is in Lancs. Or could he have not died and just deserted her?
Trish
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Thanks, bearkat and trish, this is helpful. I was wondering if it could have been a divorce. I know that would have been unusual but I thought divorce took a long time in those days, so I'm a bit dubious about Kate being able to get divorced from husband no 1, with whom she was living in 1901, in time to be married to husband no 2 at the end of 1902. I hadn't found her marriage to Ernest Young either so I was wondering if she hadn't actually married him, but it appears she did!
I'll keep you posted!
thanks again,
Mrs Lizzy
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Just had a thought: maybe Edward was his legal name but he didn't really like it and preferred to be known as Ernest for some reason? My maternal grandmother vacillates from her birth when she was Katherine, to her marriage when she was Kathleen, and her death when she was Katherine again.
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Bearkat and Trish, I've found a marriage between Ernest Arthur Young and Kate Hounsome in Midhurst, Sussex (where Kate is supposed to have been born) in December 1896. All correct except Kate's surname. What do you think?
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HOUNSOME isn't particularly close to HENBEST. :-\
I'll see if I can find a Kate HOUNSOME in the census......
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In 1891 Kate HOUNSOME is aged 25, born Midhurst and working as a cook at a Grammar School in Lewes.
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In 1871 Kate HOUNSOME aged 5, born Midhurst is living with her parents Charles & Hannah at Sheep Market, Midhurst. Charles is a carpenter (incidentally the same occupation as Kate HENBEST's father!)
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There is a Marriage for Kate HENBEST June quarter of 1893, Horsham registration district - possible groom- Edward YOUNG.
Oops! That's the marriage trish found earlier. Looks like two separate but similar couples. :-\
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There is a Kate married to an Edward Young in the 1901 living in Southborough, Kent.
And in 1901 there is this death
Deaths Jun 1901 Young Edward 37 Tunbridge 2a 416
This would fit in with a remarriage in 1902.
However this Kate is shown as born Southampton.
Barbara
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Thanks, everyone. I will have to try to get my head round all this! ;D
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I think the Kate Young I found in the 1901 census, married to Ernest Arthur Young, is the one who was Kate Hounsome before her marriage, hence my confusion! I also think I need to go on a course to learn how to do this properly! ;D
Thanks again everyone.
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Have we found Kate's marriage to Robert PRATT yet?
Dec quarter 1902 Tunbridge vol 2a page 1578
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I think that if you get the 1911 census for your husband's grandmother (look under Gladys) it should sort out the family! Looks to me as though there are some "Young" children in the household of Robert and Kate.
Barbara
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Thanks again, Bearkat and Barbara. Will go straight to the 1911 census and have a look now!
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I don't seem to be able to find the Pratt/Young household, Barbara. I've done some detailed searches looking for Robert Pratt with wife Kate Pratt, also including other members called Young, and also including a Gladys Pratt. It keeps saying it found no records.
Is the Robert born in 1851, aged 60, the one you found to have Youngs in the household? I only have 20 credits left and would like to make sure I've found the right one, as I don't think my husband will be happy with me buying any more!
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Sorry cant help with 1911 census, but am still following with interest.
The excitement of the hunt ;D
trish
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Have sent you a PM - hope this will help you find the right family!
Keep us posted :)
Barbara
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Thanks again, Barbara and Trish. I found Kate and Robert with their children on the 1911 census. The extra info about Robert also led me to find him in the previous censuses, with his previous wife Caroline and their impressive string of children. It seems that in his youth, Robert was a police officer. Trust my husband to have a PC Pratt among his ancestors! On top of the bunch of Stiffs I found last year!
I am having trouble locating that Kate Lyne Henbest living with her father Francis in Sussex in 1871. Can't find any Henbests in Sussex that year. Excuse me while I just get my glass of water and my painkillers!!
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Hello again
What place of birth was given for Kate in 1911?
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
Southampton, Hants. She was 45 in 1911.
:)
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Ok will have a look around.
We need to be very careful as there are 2 Kates born about the same time.
Sep 1864 HENBEST Kate Lyne Fordingbridge 2b 552
Dec 1865 Henbest Kate Southampton 2c 17
I think we need the second one!
Kate L is with her father in 1871 but can't find the other one.
Both seem to be servants in 1881.
More later
Barbara
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Thanks, Barbara. I agree our Kate is the second one. Perhaps I'd better check the other census records I've attached to my Kate and make sure I've got the right one.
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I haven't found another Kate HENBEST in the 1871 yet :(
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I wonder if it's been mistranscribed as Herbert or something similar. When I first saw the name on the birth certificate, I assumed, without really thinking, that it must be Herbert. I don't know why I thought it couldn't possibly be Henbest! :-[
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I can find no sign of Kate in the 1871 either. Perhaps her mother was widowed and remarried before the 1871 and Kate appears under the wrong surname?
I think the only option is to get her birth certificate or maybe to get the name of her father from one of her marriage certificates.
Barbara
PS I have tried a lot of variations to pin her down but with no luck at all.
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Thanks, Barbara, I'll do that. I think in the meantime I'll look at Robert's family.
;D