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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: ricoba on Saturday 24 January 09 10:59 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,I have a little girl born 1896,on the 1901 she is a patient in Birkdale Lancashire with spinal curviture.I think it was a Dr barnados.
)n the 1911 she is a patient in Clayton Manchester Prestwick aged 15.What was the name of this place and what do you think may have happened to her as she got older.Her Family didn;t seem to stay in touch with her.Any clues anyone??
Thanks for any info.
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Hi ricoba,
I wonder if this was the situation.
Prestwich Hospital was an asylum and I suppose she may have been institutionalised there because of her condition as happened in those days. Perhaps Clayton was the name of the ward?
I have found this :
http://www.prestwichadvertiser.co.uk/news/s/1082261_old_asylum_brought_back_to_life_for_kids
which gives a bit of insight into it but there is porbably much more on the internet or even in rootschat.
best wishes
heywood
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Hi Heywood,how sad for the poor little thing if it was an asylum.Her parants weren't much better to her 2 sisters. I will have a look at the link you gave,thanks for your reply.
I hope to be able to look up any records(if any left)
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As you say- very sad lives.
There seem to be references re records etc by googling but that is the only explanation I could think of.
Clayton is an area in Manchester but not near Prestwich and Prestwich was very 'famous' as the asylum.
good luck
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Hi again,It looks like on the link you gave they have some good record keepers.On the 1911 it says district 26 sub dist Bradford , Clayton,prestwick Manchester.
Am I on the right track?
Will send the Greater Manchester County Record Office an email.Hope you don't have to go there to search as I am in Oz ,fingers crossed Thanks again.
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Hang on then -
I think it may be Ancoats Hospital was Bradford, Clayton Manchester - will have a quick look.
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yes I think it may be that - sorry- which may be better news re her fate.
Again googling will give you some idea but the email to the records office etc may also help.
best wishes
heywood
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Hello, there was an isolation hospital in a district of Manchester called Clayton, just behind Philip`s Park. We used to pass it when we walked to Woodhouses and Crime Lake.As usual with these places it was on a hill---fresh air I suppose---.Bradford was the closest district to Clayton. Although all my mother`s family were born ,married and died in Manchester near the centre all B.M.Ds are registered in Prestwich which must have been the closest Registry office. My grandfather worked for an undertaker and used to have to go to Clayton Isolation Hospital to collect deceased people for burial. My mother used to accompany him,riding in the hearse( a horse-drawn one)on the way there but not on the way back!!!!. Grandad sat outside like a stagecoach driver driving the big black horses.This would be about 1900.This area of Clayton/Bradford is very close to Manchester City Football ground. I would imagine the hospital has long been demolished. Hope this has helped. How kind to remember the little girl . Viktoria.
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What about Crossley Hospital the Salvation Army Hospital that was quite near Ancoats as another alternative.
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Thanks for your input Viktoria,Mumsie and Heywood.
Hey,you wouldn't have a photo with granny and the horse drawn hearse???
Would she be put in an isolation hosp for curviture of the spine? I suppose she wouldn't have much say ,a case of going where they had room.She was 15 in 1911,I wonder where she went to or did she stay there?
I have a hot lead with the other side of the family so will be back on her case soon.The salvation army is one I will follow up.Thanks again
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossley_Hospital
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Isolation hospitals were for highly contagious diseases such as Smallpox,Scarlet Fever,Rheumatic Fever etc. she would not be there for Curvature of the spine.Crosssley`s was in Ancoats ,quite a way away from Clayton and was originally for very poor women to have a safe confinement in clean quiet surroundings where they cou;ld rest and recouperate. It was started by a family called Crossley but later the Salvation Army took over but it was not started by them. The S.A.also took over the Church started by the Crossleys later called "The Star Hall"by theS.A.Cheerio. Viktoria
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Hi and thanks again Viktoria, I don't think I could live in Willow House migky!!! :o
I will follow up with the council.
Ithink in1901 she was in dr barnados hospital aged 5 ,I was going to pay them a fortune to look her up and another to give me info,although they may be able to tell me where she went after 1901,and best of all a photo.Will rethink about it.
Thanks all,cheers
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P.S. although the little girl had curvature of the spine she would have been sent to the isolation hospital with a disease that was infectious. The spinal curvature would not have been the reason she went --- unless it was caused by tuberculosis of the spine which would not be the most likely cause. Ricketts was very prevalent and caused by malnutrition and lack of sunshine,fresh air and vitamins A,D and calcium .Sorry no photograph of grandad and the hearse. Can you imagine going to such a gloomy place ,up a long hill,very isolated,looking like a Victorian Workhouse.No visitors and probably nursed in isolation wards.No antibiotics just LOADS of disinfectant . If you had ever seen this place in the dark, sooty, smog ridden air that was pre Clean Air Act Manchester you would wonder anyone recovered but I suppose it was better in many ways than where people lived in Ancoats, Collyhurst and other industrial areas where every thing was so grimey from industrial pollution.Best of luck with your search.Viktoria
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Hi and thanks again Viktoria, I don't think I could live in Willow House migky!!! :o
I will follow up with the council.
Ithink in1901 she was in dr barnados hospital aged 5 ,I was going to pay them a fortune to look her up and another to give me info,although they may be able to tell me where she went after 1901,and best of all a photo.Will rethink about it.
Thanks all,cheers
Do you have her name?
If she died in Clayton theres a big chance she would be buried in Phillips park, and Manchester council has a searchable database.
You can search it without a date............
http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/GenSearch.aspx
Gaille
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Hi again,Thanks for that link Gaille it came up with 2 but one was a mrs so not her.Maud Clarke. If the other one is right she died the same year as her brother.1958.I know one sister was never married and in service all her life,the other one married,went to Canada and died in childbirth.The brother had a better life,he joined army very early for 22 years went to oz ,had a hard but good life on the farm.Rambling again.
The one at the council was at gorton cemetery.
Thanks again,will sharpen the spade.
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did you ever consider it being Ancoats Hospital as that is pretty close to clayton, well it was, I don't know if it still exists
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Hi,Thanks for the reply,I have her records now,She died in 1966,she did have TB at one stage.Most of her life she was at Banardos as a child first ,then as a teacher and then she retired in one of their villages.It seems she had a good life there.
I got her death cert from Barkinside Reg Office ,borough of Redbridge.
They have no record of where she is buried,(kept only for 7 years).
Banardos do have a plot but her name is on the list and they have tried 2 crems and I have tried a few cemetery.
Her father had been in the army for about 12 years but he and her mother went off the rails after that.He turned to drink and she went on the game.When she got caught she did a runner.He started to sell the furniture bit by bit and ended up in jail for neglect.Maud went to Banardos,poor girl could not walk until they gave her crutches.The search is now over except for her resting place.
Thanks for replies
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Hi,
Prestwich was the registration office for the parishes of Newton (Now Newton Heath), Cheetham (Now Cheetham Hill), Bradford, Harpurhey, Crumpsall, Moston, Beswick, Blackley and Clayton. It was abolished in 1916 and become North Manchester district.
There was a hospital on Clayton Vale, Clayton Infectious Diseases Hospital in 1909 and later became the Smallpox Hospital in 1933. There was also a nursing home there for Sailors.
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My grandfather was a blacksmith ,but also a coach man for a firm of undertakers .
They had a sort of “ contract “ to bury thr deceased from the fever hospital at Clayton .
Many times my mother and nearest brother went with grand dad to that place .travelling in the hearse!
I wonder at how lucky they were .being so near to corpses of people who died from contagious diseases .
Viktoria.