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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: Minniej on Saturday 24 January 09 01:46 GMT (UK)
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I am after the marriage information for (Captain) Allen (Alan) (allan) Blackmore Smythe to a Mary Campbell-shaw. (possibly in Tasmania)
Also Mary Campbell -shaws Parents. and birth date.
I am having no luck with her at all.
:)Thank you
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There are these events in Tasmania
Marriage
SMYTH Allen Blackmore 30 years
MCGUINNESS: Evelyn Frederica 24 years
5 Oct 1898
At Zeehan Reg 1095/1898 Ref RGD 37
Death
SMYTH Evelyn Frederica
Spouse Allan Blackmore
Sep 1899 25 years
At Zeehan Reg# 1190/1899 Ref RGD 35
Marriage
SMYTH Allan Brackmore [sic]
HUBBARD Ada Harriet
14 Feb 1907
At Scottsdale 1907 Reg#1175
and you may have this death.. in case you haven't..
SMYTH Allen Blackmore
No parents names noted
3 Feb 1916 1916 Reg#1218
At Bridport
Cheers
Cando
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There are father and son Allen Blackmore SMYTH on the Tas records
Birth
SMYTH Allen Blackmore
Father Allen Blackmore Mother CAMPBELL-SHAW Mary
26 Jun 1867
At Ringarooma Reg# 1476/1867 RGD 33
There is no marriage for the parents on the Tas Indexes only thirteen births. However the Tas Archives, Tasmanian Families links database shows them marrying in 1864.
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=350140
and fifteen births.
Cheers
Cando
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Noted the deaths of Allen Blackmore and Mary's
three four chn in the same year 1882 and on the Inquest Index it states they drowned in a river.
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=93
Cheers
Cando
Edit ..correction..missed one child on the index.
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Noted the deaths of Allen Blackmore and Mary's three chn in the same year 1882 and on the Inquest Index it states they drowned in a river.
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=93
Cheers
Cando
How incredibly sad!
Susie
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Cando thank you so much for the informatin you have found.
I have most of that information but you have confirmed the dates for me and ive made adjustments. to my records :)
and yes there were 4 boys all drowned on same day at Bridport.
Thank you so much. How do i find out Mary Campbell shaws parentage? :-\ :)
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Siouxsie
the family home called Torrington in Bridport (after where Cpt allen was born)
Is on the brid river. The 4 boys were in a small boat and the sail flipped ant it capsized drowning all 4 boys :(
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How do i find out Mary Campbell shaws parentage?
Mary does not appear in the Tasmanian birth records or marriage records. Perhaps they married elsewhere and emigrated. The Tasmanian Archives website which states she was born 1843. The double barrel name could mean she was registered under either Shaw or Campbell. I have searched on familysearch.org but nothing. There is a submitted record [I always treat any family trees or submitted records online with a degree of caution] on family search for the birth of an Allen SMYTH with parents George and Ann BLACKMORE but if I remember it is in a different year to the info you placed on one of your other posts on rootschat.
I note you live in Tasmania, perhaps you could visit the Tasmanian Archives for more help.
Another chatter may have a suggestion or two how to help you.
Good luck with your search.
Cheers
Cando
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Hello Minnie
If you can visit the Tas archives, you may be able to find some shipping records for the arrival in Tasmania of Mary Campbell-Shaw. They don't seem to have shipping details online (apart from for convicts). You would also be able to look at microfilm of the pre 1900 births and marriages listed by Cando, which may contain a little extra information. If you cannot get to the archives they do have a research service. Check their webite
http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/
Trish
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Thank you Cando for all your assistance.
The dates i have that are possitive are Allen Blackmores date of birth now which i adjusted to 1835. Apart from that all are just researched etc.
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There is a submitted record [I always treat any family trees or submitted records online with a degree of caution] on family search for the birth of an Allen SMYTH with parents George and Ann BLACKMORE ..
Is there any way i can look at this record. Just to see other names match etc.?
Thank you Trish. Im planning on a trip to the Launceston Library in the next couple of weeks which will hopefully be a bit more information than what is online ;D
i just am having real trouble connecting her at all :-\
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Search
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
I searched using his name, birth year, Region British Isles, Country England
This is the transcribed info from the record in case you have trouble finding it.
SMYTH Allen
Birth 1835 Marwood, Devon, England
Father George Smyth
Mother Ann
and from the record on familysearch IGI
Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Source Information:
No source information is available.
There is also one entry on ancestry.com on a private tree but only his birth is recorded and nothing else ie no wife etc.
I certainly agree with Trish .... a visit to the Tasmanian Archives or use their research service.
Cheers
Cando
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thanks Cando. And that would be him. His birthdate is 1835 not 36 as i stated as i found a shipping record of his with his birth year on it.
And his place of birth is confusing for me.
alot of his family were born in Barnstaple/ Marwood.
And he was Torrington
As he named his house after where he came from...
So sorry if i get confused with names.
And a search at the records i will do..
Thank you ;D
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Minnie don't allow yourself to be confused by other peoples' research. This is one of the many reasons I treat submitted info with caution. Some of the records I have seen verge on genealogical fantasy.
You have obviously done quite a lot of research yourself and living in Tasmania is a bonus if you can get to the archives or email them.
Just keep to what you have researched and validated.
Good luck and let us know how you get along with the archives. The family sounds interesting. I hope your other requests on rootschat help you with your family.
Cheers
Cando
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Minnie
Are you aware of any of Allen Blackmore's siblings emigrating to Australia?
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks Cando. Im doing alot of families. Branching off.
i am a smyth(e) and have a fair bit of info. but i like to validate it to make sure....
And ive seen some real errors like you say with dates and names etc. So i cross check and double reference etc just to be on the safe side..
and i will be making that trip to the Archives. I like paper work lol to show and confirm. ;D
Its just all the little fidly bits of info now basically i get frustrated on :-[ :)
AS for emigrating yes. A Charles Blackmore Smyth his brother..
I am not sure of dates etc though on when they did come out
And i think an Elinor his sister came out aswell....
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http://eheritage.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/resources/fullimage.aspx?f=letter%3dH%26page%3d76&TITLE=Headstone+of+Allan+Blackmore+SMYTHE+Captain&ID=LFH_29134&ImageNum=1
also buried is a Hilda Mary Smythe (Granddaughter maybe??)
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thanks Floozy. Hilda is my Grandmother..
have all those in my data base now ;D
allen is there in an unmarked grave.
His son (also called Allen Blackmore) is actually in A victorian Cemetery.
And Ann Smythe is in Bridport Cemetery aswell. but also unmarked. (ann is the sons wife).
I have also found alot of others through cemeteries.
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Well it almost seems Capt parents are??? George and Ann
he also had a sister called Elenor
If that is correct???
Can only find 1851 census wonder why I cant find them in 1841 unless their name was that badly spelt??
floozy
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Floozy i have an Elinor (elenor) down on my list.
born about 1832 in Marwood?
and ive been looking on line and i think ive found a couple more siblings to CPT but im not sure (needs more looking into)
And Yep George smythe and Ann Blackmore are the parents...
Smyth /e We now have an E as Cpt changed it when he came out here ..
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thank you This is now complete and Marraige is verified ;D
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Okay i know when Mary ans allen were married where etc. I have the marraige certificate.
but its like she has come out of thin air :-\ elusive woman and family this one :(
I still have to go to the archives next week. But i cant even get a aprent for her..
And on her marraige certificate there is no info at all only age and date married..... :( She is mary shaw on there spinster.
But on birth records of kids she is campbell-shaw...
Why oh why ???
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Census 1851
Living in Pilton St, Pilton, Devon
Allen SMYTH, currier, aged 16, b Torrington Devon, living with parents George SMYTH, cordwainer, age 49 b Marwood, Devon, Ann SMYTH age 49 b Huish Devon, sister Elenor SMYTH, dressmaker, age 19 b Marwood Devon.
I can't see them in 1841 or 1861 but I've only had a quick look.
Cheers, Judith
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Thank you Jud.
There is a charles too i beleive. He was older so must have left hime in tat one.
Humm and there is prob 4 more :-\ must have been older or alot lot younger.
Allen came out to Tasmania in about the 60's i believe.
His parents didnt sooo they might be on the 61 census.
is there a free access to that one?
And Mary campbell well there is my brick wall!!!!