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Hi im new and ive ive done this wrong then a thousand appologies :-[ Im from Tasmania and have been researching many branches of my family tree.
I have information for my SMYTH side but i am stuck on births and marragies for a few names.
Allen Blackmore Smyth was born in 1835 in Torrington. (barnstaple)
His Father was a George (also refered to as richard)Smythe who married Ann Blackmore (daughter of a richard blackmore)
Would there be a record of their marraige?
And also their dates of birth and deaths.
Same for Georges parents who were John Smyth who married a Joanna boyle.
Johns father i believe was a Thomas smyth. (i have no information )
thank you very much if this is obtainable :)
George smyth and Ann blackmore where the Parents of CPT Allen Blackmore Smyth/e Who was born in Torrington in 1835
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The 1851 census shows living in the parish of Pilton nr Barnstaple RG/1893 Folio 428 Page 12
GEorge SMYTH Marr 49 Cordwainer b. Marwood
Ann SMYTH MArr 49 Wife
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Oops, sorry hit send by mistake. To continue:
The 1851 census shows living in the parish of Pilton nr Barnstaple RG/1893 Folio 428 Page 12
George SMYTH Marr 49 Cordwainer b. Marwood
Ann SMYTH Marr 49 Wife b. North Huish
Elinor SMYTH 19 Dau Dress Maker b. Marwood
Allen SMYTH 16 Son b. Torrington
The marriage 'probably took place in Ann BLACKMORE's parish of North Huish. There is an online parish clerk who may be able to help you - she has access to the PRs. See details on the GENUKI website under genealogy at: http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/NorthHuish/index.html
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Thank you Dob.
So Allen ther is listed as Birth in Torrington.
Which we thought he did. But he has listed Barnstaple on his shipping records :-\
Wish people back there were rmore consistant :D
thank you so much for the link ;D The Blackmores i need all the info i can get
Nicki
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Hi Nicki
I see you've got sight of the 1851 census now, which confirms Allen's birthplace as Torrington. When I get the chance I'll dig around a bit in the NDRO for a baptism - possibly a parish near Torrington?
There is someone with a tree on Ancestry researching the same family - I assume its not you as they seem to have taken the Smyths back several generations further in Marwood
Steve
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Thanks Steve. :)
And really darn :( i cant join that place as no credit card.
Can you tell me the owner of the tree? ;D
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Hi Nicki
The details are in Ancestry's "One World Tree" - I'm not sure what that is or how its put together, but the details are as follows:
George Smyth (b Jan 1802) Marwood
Ann Blackmore (B 1802) North Huish
Marriage 5 Feb 1825. Children:
Elizabeth
Mary
Eleanor 1832 Marwood
Allen Blackmore 1835 Torrington
Charles Blackmore 1836 Shirwell
George's parents are given as:
John Smyth & Johanna Heale - dates of birth guessed as 1761 & 1764. Dates of marriage & death as you have them.
Children: Elizabeth (c1786) John (c1794) George (c1802) Ann (c1804)
John' s parents are:
Edward Smyth (c1734-14 May 1830) Marwood &
Wilmot Lock - married Martinhoe 28 Feb 1761
Children:
John (c1761)
Thomas (1762) West Down
Susannah (Nov 1764 Marwood)
Mary (Dec 1766) Marwood
George (Mar 1769) Marwood
Jenny (Dec 1771) Marwood
Thomas' father is given as Edward Smyth - no dates
I've no idea where this originated or how accurate it may be
Steve
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i could kiss you ;D :o :D thank you so much and it all makes sense to me.
We need a big hug smilie. Thank you ;D
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Hi Nicki
I see you've got sight of the 1851 census now, which confirms Allen's birthplace as Torrington. When I get the chance I'll dig around a bit in the NDRO for a baptism - possibly a parish near Torrington?
This si the bit that is confusing me greatly. AS on his seamans ticket he has listed barnstaple but he names his house Torrington after where he lived.
so any info you could find if any would be greatly apprecited
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Nicki
I've found some people very accurate with their birthplaces in the 19th century - & others just as vague. Allen has Torrington as his POB in 1851, but he was brought up in Barnstaple. As far as the seaman's ticket is concerned, he may have given Barnstaple as it was a port & Torrington is several miles inland - it might have seemed more "suitable" to give a port town. he obviously considered Torrington as his birthplace, judging from the fact that his house was named after it.
Steve
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Nicki
I meant to say in my previous post that I've dug a little into the Ancestry records. It seems that their family trees are constructed by a computer!!! (using submissions from real people). So I would be careful - like George's baptism, where we know the PR is missing. Of course, it may be that the Bishops Transcripts survive, but I doubt it
Steve
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Thanks Steve, I went and had a look too and those world trees do seem a bit odd.
alot of the info seems okay so i wonder how they source it and connect it up.
I had wilmot lock down with a ? in mine. and it says hr on there aswell.
Ive printed it out and will look further into it :)
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I've found some people very accurate with their birthplaces in the 19th century - & others just as vague. Allen has Torrington as his POB in 1851, but he was brought up in Barnstaple. As far as the seaman's ticket is concerned, he may have given Barnstaple as it was a port & Torrington is several miles inland - it might have seemed more "suitable" to give a port town. he obviously considered Torrington as his birthplace, judging from the fact that his house was named after it.
Steve
Oh okay/ I have some vague maps of places over there but didnt known barnstaple was a port. That could make real sense.
lol he was an ellusive man this one. He was in the merchant navy so ive found out from his records under John smith :-\
i reckon he knew we would search him one day and hes giving us a hard time :D
Question about Torrington. Which one :-\ ive found 3 differnet ones o n the map? :D
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Sorry another quick question. What section on here do i use to ask for assistance with merchant navy ?
He was on the Cadmus in the west indies from 1860-62
He started his career in about 1854.
i dont know which section :-[ ???
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Hi Nicki
I can't help with the naval question - you could try "occupations", or perhaps contact a moderator to ask.
There are 3 Torringtons - Great Torrington is an ancient market town (& probably the one in question, as everyone refers to it as "Torrington"). Little Torrington is a village just to the south of Great Torrington, and Black Torrington is further south still - halfway to Dartmoor. The villages are always referred to with their qualifier.
Pilton Street (where the family was in 1851) is still much as it must have been in 1851 - would you like a photo?
Steve
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thanks Steve. Ill put it in occupations and see how i go :)
okay Great torrington . I thought it would be one of the first 2 as the othr on the map was a bit away..
And a photo ;D oh that would be fantastic.
im off to the library today. i have no idea what im doing :-[ ive never microfished before so this could be fun :D
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Best of luck with the library Nicki
If you want to send me your email address (in a PM) I'll send on a photo in the next week or so - I've also found one of Pilton Street c 1900 which is more atmospheric
Steve
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well the library gave me a photo and a death notice but im hopeless :-[
Soo many micro fish thingies and the indexing is shocking. so not much sucess today... but ill go back again :D
ill pm you my addy Steve ;)
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I'm trying to figure out if Ann Blackmore b 1802 in North Huish is the brother of my GGG Grandfather Richard Blackmore b 1801 in North Huish. I've noticed that you've said Ann Blackmore's fathers name was Richard Blackmore so it makes sense that these two are siblings.
I've hit a brick wall! :-\
Karen, Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Hi Karen Received you email and contacting you now ;D