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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: johngirl on Friday 23 January 09 07:04 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
Can some kind person check the incoming passenger list for a Otho Desse Greaves.
I have no idea were abouts he would come from. He was born in 1875 and married my Great aunt in 1895 at Toxteth Park Liverpool. Not sure even where he was born. Only know his birth year which may not be right from the marriage certificate.
Johngirl
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port of embarkment Calabar, Lagos,Victoria ,Accra, Takoradi, Monrovia,Freetown,Dakar,Plymouth
Otho Besse looks like Desse on page Greaves age 57 proposed address in UK ?? South Road Drayton? Hants Last contry of permenent residence Nigeria ship Accra Arrival port Liverpool 8th July 1932
a couple more to come.
Pam
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There's one from Dec 1922 - the Arakaka arr Liverpool from West Africa - which lists Otho Desse Greaves a master mariner c/o Elder Dempster, Liverpool. Age 49 (could be 47), last permanent residence Nigeria
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18th July 1914 Liverpool
Otho D Greaves Master mariner age 38 Last country of permenent residence Nigeria West Africa
ship AKabo
Otho Disse says desse Greaves age 49 Lagos address co/ Elder Dempster & Co Ltd Liverpool (Seems to be a shipping line)Master Mariner last country of residence Nigeria
arrival 11th dec or 10th Liverpool 1922 ship Arakala
Arrived 3rd August 1931 port of arrival Plymouth says port of arrival Liverpool
Otho Deese Greaves address in UK Forcados Sth Road Drayton Hants Master Mariner age 67? from Lagos Nigeria
Pam
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Thankyou downunder :) Thankyou ShaunJ :)
I think I may have finally found my G Uncle. On his marriage certificate when he married my G aunt Rhoda it said under occupation that he was a mariner :) .He had disappered in the 1901 census. Aunt Rhoda remarried in 1926. Will have to find a divorce for them.
Johngirl
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Here's a puzzle for you:
He was on the MS Apapa arr Plymouth from W C Africa December 1930. He's accompanied by wife Rhoda Alberta aged 53. Address Forcados South Rd Drayton Hants.
So was this Rhoda Alberta Isaac...or did he have two wives called Rhoda Alberta?
Are you sure about Rhoda's remarriage in 1926?
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Wife Rhoda Alberta was also with him on the MS Adda arr Liverpool July 1924 from WCAfrica. Address 92 Cressy Road Portsmouth.
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Rhoda Alberta Greaves age 34 from Liverpool is in the 1911 census in Portsmouth.
I did a search for other Greaves in Portsmouth with a Rhoda Alberta Greaves in the same household and up came a listing for Herbert Arthur Albert Greaves age 14.
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Well.
And all this time I thought her husband had done a bunk [or died] and left her and she remarried. ::)
Yes Rhoda Alberta Isaac was his wife.
Now I definetly know she never remarried. I must never asume things should I. :-[ My cousin gave me this information about G aunt Rhoda remarrying. Will have to tell him the news ;D
ShaunJ I also found that information. on the 1911 census. I haven`t checked the actual transcript as yet.[ a bit broke at the mo :-[ ] Herbert Albert Greaves was her son. Arthur must be an error I thnk. Herbert was born in Toxteth Park in 1896. He was named after my Grandfather Herbert Henry Isaac who emmigrated to Tasmania sometime between 1891 and 1896. He was also a mariner here in Hobart Tasmania and then became a Lighthouse Keeper.
Thankyou ShaunJ for finding this juicy bit of information for me. :-* :-*
Johngirl :)
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The 1911 mistranscription was on my part - it is in fact indexed as Herbert Albert Greaves. Apologies.
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Not a problem ShaunJ. ;D
So happy with what you have found for me. I have checked out a few details and the ages on the records for Otho Greaves fit in nicley :)
I had been searching for him for two years ;D
I had him dead and buried. :-[
Johngirl
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Here's another one - SS Boutry arr Liverpool 23 May 1921
First Class
Mr OD Greaves 46 - London and North Western Hotel Liverpool - agent - last perm residence West Africa (Nigeria) - embarked at Forcados
Mrs RA Greaves 44 do
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They are also on the Adda arr Liverpool in August 1927 from Lagos
Capt OD Greaves 52 - agent
Mrs RA Greaves
UK address given as 92 Cressy Road Portsmouth
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And they were on the Appam - an Elder Dempster vessel - arr Liverpool from Lagos in March 1926 - he is described as a "Steamship Company's Agent" - perhaps he was the Elder Dempster agent in Lagos?
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Blimey :o
Otho and Rhoda were certainly busy and here I thought that aunt Rhoda would have had a most boring life ;D No she was trapsing all over the place with her not dead husband who seemed to be a well to do person.
I`m named after my G aunt Rhoda but my dad added an n and made it Rhonda.
Here`s me put completed on the post ::)
All I have to do know is find where they died and are buried. But where ???
They could be from England to West Africa ;D
I did find a birth for a Frank L O Greaves born Portsmouth in 1914 mothers surename was Isaac. Maybe I better have a closer look at this one. :o
Herbert may have had a brother ;D
Thankyou once again for the details ShaunJ. I see that you can get records of the seaman. Will have to send the National Archives or Maritime Museum an email to find out some details on how to get records about them.
Regards Johngirl :)
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He was a captain so there should be something in the Captains Registers at the Guildhall Library in London.
They are building an online index but they haven't done the G's yet!
http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/capintro.htm
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I did find a birth for a Frank L O Greaves born Portsmouth in 1914 mothers surename was Isaac
An engineer Frank Lewis Oliver Greaves, age 26, of 8 South Road, Drayton, Hants sailed for Kingston Jamaica on 9 October 1939 on the Ariguani from Avonmouth. His ultimate destination was Colombia.
Per Google Books he was made an Associate of the Institution of Mining and Metallurgy in 1942.
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Oh this is fantastic :)
I have goggled and googled trying to find information on Otho Greaves. I musn`t be doing it right ::)
I had searched mainly for mariners but that didn`t give me any details on an Otho Greaves. No wonder I couldn`t find him looking for a mere mariner. He was a Captain :)
If I had looked a bit harder I would have found him. Thankyou ShaunJ and downunder for your all your efforts in helping me.
Do you think this Frank Lewis Oliver Greaves would be a son to Rhoda and Otho. They seem to be living in the same place [South Road,Drayton,Hants] or would this just be an Accomodation Place for Mariners and Captains that sailed for the Elders Dempster Company or other Companys?
I have googled but can`t find anything about Accomodation Places for Mariners etc. ::)
There are possibly more children to Otho and Rhoda so I will have to go and look. The difference in ages between Herbert Albert Greaves and this possible brother Frank seems to be a big gap. [Twenty Years] Well here I go asuming again ;D
Thankyou once again.
Regards Johngirl
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There are possibly more children to Otho and Rhoda so I will have to go and look. The difference in ages between Herbert Albert Greaves and this possible brother Frank seems to be a big gap. [Twenty Years]
Frank was born 1912 so the gap is 15 years. ( Portsmouth Q/E Dec 1912 2b 726 ). If you purchase the 1911 census image it should tell you how many children there had been up till then and how many had survived.
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Hi ShaunJ
Silly me,yes it is only fifteen years difference. All this information has gone to my head. ;D
I would love to view the 1911 census but have no idea how to purchase vochers here in Australia. ???
I have also emailed the Guildhall Library to see if they have information on the G surname Captains. Will let you know how i get on.
Johngirl
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Oh this is fantastic :)
I have goggled and googled trying to find information on Otho Greaves. I musn`t be doing it right ::)
I had searched mainly for mariners but that didn`t give me any details on an Otho Greaves. No wonder I couldn`t find him looking for a mere mariner. He was a Captain :)
If I had looked a bit harder I would have found him. Thankyou ShaunJ and downunder for your all your efforts in helping me.
Do you think this Frank Lewis Oliver Greaves would be a son to Rhoda and Otho. They seem to be living in the same place [South Road,Drayton,Hants] or would this just be an Accomodation Place for Mariners and Captains that sailed for the Elders Dempster Company or other Companys?
I have googled but can`t find anything about Accomodation Places for Mariners etc. ::)
There are possibly more children to Otho and Rhoda so I will have to go and look. The difference in ages between Herbert Albert Greaves and this possible brother Frank seems to be a big gap. [Twenty Years] Well here I go asuming again ;D
Thankyou once again.
Regards Johngirl
I am related through marriage and have information and photographs of Captain Otho Greaves from South Road and have visited them there. If this is who you are looking for, please contact me and I will be happy to share.
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Wow meindhart,
Yes it Otho Desse Greaves that I`m looking for.
His wife Rhoda Alberta Greaves(nee Isaac) was my G Aunt.
I would also love to share what I have.
I have sent to a private message giving you my email address.
Johngirl.