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Seeking information on the Briscoe family doing business in Summerhill, Dublin, coach builders and harness makers in the 1904 Dublin directory.
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Slaters Commercial directory of 1894
Briscoe Joseph J. & Sons, coach builders, 16 Nassau pl. and 9/10 Summer hill
(Nassau Place is listed being at 9 Nassau Street.)
listed at the same Summerhill address in Thoms of 1884
no mention of the business in Slaters of 1881
in Thoms of 1880 theres a Mr. Michael Briscoe, living at 9 Summer Hill. In the same directory 16 Nassau place is not listed but at no 18 there is a Robt. Saunders, coach builder.
In 1877 a Richard Fitzpatrick ,drap. mart is at the Summerhill address.
Shane
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Thank you both for your very prompt replies.
My Briscoe family were in Scotland by 1901, and can be found in the 1901 census of Glasgow.
The directory entries are new to me, other than Summerhill and I thank you for this information.
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there's a number of records on IGI for the surname Briscoe in Dublin between 1869 and 1877, including 6 about children to a Joseph John Briscoe and Bridget Briscoe neé Eggliton.
Shane
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My grandfather, Patrick Briscoe was born 1869 in Dublin, his father Michael Briscoe was a coachsmith, he died young, Patrick's mother was Margaret Jennings, she remarried a Grey or Richard Dowman and had two more sons, one Thomas Joseph Dowman, who stated on his WW1 Glasgow, enlistment that he was born in Dublin.
Michael Briscoe's father was Hugh Briscoe a smith who died in 1868 in Dublin giving his address as Jervis Street. Both Patrick Briscoe. and Thomas Joseph Dowman died in Glasgow Scotland. The eldest son of Patrick, who was born in 1901 in Glasgow, informed me that his father took him to a big yard in Dublin where all the Briscoe relatives worked. This is why I believe that the Briscoes who were coachbuilders and harness makers in Dublin are related to my grandfather. If you can think of a way of increasing this knowledge I would be greatly appreciative.
Anne.
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1850 Dublin directory:
Briscoe James 2 Jervis street
Briscoe John F. Esq. 3 Summer hill
www.libraryireland.com/DublinDirectory1850/b.php
IGI lists two children with parents Michael Briscoe and Margaret Jennings - not sure if they are siblings of Patrick (b.1869) but wonder if Catherine could be his sister 'Kathleen'?
Catherine Briscoe born 30 Nov.1867 Ireland
Mary Briscoe born 29 July 1874 Mullingar, Westmeath
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found him in Slaters of 1870....
Briscoe Joseph J. coach builder, 10 Summer Hill par
also a possible connection in the Painters section
Briscoe Henry [coach], 28 Jervis st
1846
BRASS FOUNDERS - Briscoe Thomas, 21 Michael's lane
Shane
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Yes it looks like Catherine (Kathleen) is a sibling, she was born in Mountmellick, Queens Co. and I know that there is a connection with Queens Co. I do not know about West Meath, since I do not know where or when Michael Briscoe died.
Henry Briscoe of Jervis St. and James Briscoe,seem like positive connections also.
Why have I never used this service before, I have recieved more information in one day than in several years of research on this side of my family
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from Slaters of 1846 - another Coach Builder ...could this be another connection ?
COACH, GIG & CAR MAKERS. - Briscoe Michael, John's place, Birr
- Offaly/Kings County
In 1846 & 1870 there are a few Briscoe entries around Birr and Banagher.
Shane
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I do not know about Birr, but, how many Briscoes can be in the same business and not be related, especially since it is an unusual name in Ireland. Patrick married in Mountmellick in 1900 and he was well known in that area, that is, my mother was told that she looked liked the Briscoes.
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Birr would only be about 35km to the west of Mountmellick - so I'd say it's possible
I agree it would be quite a coincidence for there to be two seperate families with the same quite rare surnames in exactly the same business without some sort of connection.
Some of my ancestors are from Birr/Parsonstown at this time (1847) and moved to Dublin soon after.
Shane
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here are some of the other Briscoe entries from 1846 for ref :
STANDARD (life), John Briscoe, Main street - FIRE, &c. OFFICE AGENTS.
Edward Briscoe (Grocer and provision merchant).
Edward Briscoe , Main st - Ironmongers & Hardwaremen
John Briscoe, Main st - Tanner & Currier
John Briscoe, discount office, and baronycess collector, Main street.
all - Bannagher, Offaly (Kings Co.)
John William Briscoe (and commissioner for taking affidavits), Charleville
terrace - ATTORNEYS.
Tullamore, Offaly (Kings Co.)
and only two others out side Dublin...
Patrick Briscoe, Main st - CLOTHES DEALERS
Ballinasloe, Co. Roscommon
John Briscoe , Catherine st, Waterford - Physicians & Surgeons
a surname distribution I have using Griffiths data (1847 to 1864) shows a concentration around Offaly & Kilkenny...
1. Offaly 16
2. Kilkenny 11
3. Cork 8
4. Dublin 6
5. Galway 4
6. Meath 4
7. Westmeath 4
Shane
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There appears to be a lot by that name in trade of one kind and another which is a rather unusual distribution for the name. My grandfather was not in trade, he helped to lay the tram lines in the City of Glasgow. It is a pity that Michael Briscoe did not live to 1901 or I could find out where he was born, Irish marriage certificates do not give proper ages. I could not find Thomas Joseph Dowman, Patrick's half brother in the 1901 census of Scotand or England he may have ben in Ireland. I do know that Margaret Jennings was alive in 1901, as the marriage certificate of Thomas Joseph Dowman in 1904 in Scotland states that his father was dead, his mother,
Maggie Weir, prior Dowman, prior Briscoe, nee Jennings was alive. The 1901 Irish census of Dublin should be on line sometime this year, so maybe I will be lucky and find out where she was born.
Anne
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My sincere appreciation for the assistance that I was given today.
Anne
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From 1901Census, Index to the North Strand,Clonliffe Road and Summerhill District:
Briscoe, Hugh, 69 Clonliffe Road.
Maybe a relative?
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By the way, don't get misled by the prominent family of Irish politicians called Briscoe. They are descended from Lithuanian immigrants and adopted Briscoe instead of their original surname (probably Cherrick).
My family is from Bolton and at one time wondered if there was any connection with the 17th Century Rev Michael Briscoe who came over from Ireland and was a Minister nearby for a time before moving to Toxteth Old Chapel but he does not seem to have left any male descendants which is a pity because he had an interesting history.
Also wondered if there is any connection between the Briscoe in Ireland and the Cumberland family who did have land in Ireland but I am inclined to think that the name just appeared in several areas independently. Just wish there was some more Briscoe DNA to compare with!
Martin Briscoe
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Hi,
Please contact me regarding John Bratt, read my notes on the message board
regards
Nathan Brett (Bratt)
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Hi,
Please contact me regarding John Bratt, read my notes on the message board
regards
Nathan Brett (Bratt)
Who is that message for?
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Hi,
Please contact me regarding John Bratt, read my notes on the message board
regards
Nathan Brett (Bratt)
Think this is the thread you meant to post a reply on-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355512.msg3022886.html#msg3022886
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Briscoe
Using the addresses given by Shanew and Aghadowey ,I checked the work I did on the Irish Times newspaper 1859-1901 and give the following which I hope is useful
At No.28 Jervis Street:
Henry Briscoe's name is in the Births Section on 17/11/1864
Henry Briscoe's name is in the Deaths Section (Page 8) on 25/1/1872
At No.9 Summerhill:
On P.2 of the edition 3/2/1882 there is an advert. mentioning Joseph J.Briscoe-carriage builder
I can find no other references to them at the other addresses.
Regards Quaxer
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yes apologies I have posted on the wrong topic, ignore my notes
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Today,I discovered by accident the following from the Irish Times:
30th November 1886 on P.1 Deaths Laura Jenny dau. of late Henry Briscoe at 45 Hardwicke Street, Dublin.
Regards Quaxer
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Thank you I will record this.
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More which I hope may be relevant from The Irish Times all at No.1 Moore Street
Edition of 23-6-1873 on P.1 a birth to Hubert Briscoe
Edition of 23-12-1874 on P.1 abirth to Hubert F.Briscoe
Edition of 27-9-1878 on P.1 the death of Joseph Henry son of Hubert & Mary Briscoe
Regards Quaxer
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My great-great grandfather was Michael Briscoe, born in Dublin, 1861.
He can be found on the 1901 census living in Co Down, occupation is Coachbuilder.
He appears to have been living with his wife & children as a boarder with a family called Marshall who were Church of Ireland.
Unfortunately, I have not been able to locate him on the 1911 census as yet so not sure if this means he emigrated.
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James and Anne Briscoe are buried in Glasnevin in Section: GARDEN, Letter: Q, Figures: 140.5.
Their gravestone inscription reads: "Erected by, James Briscoe of Jervis Street, Dublin as a last sad tribute of respect to his beloved Wife Anne who departed this life 30th Dec 1852 Aged 56 years Also his son Francis who died 20th Decr 1832 aged 2 years, Here also are interred the remains of the above Jas Briscoe who died 14 Dec 1861, Also his Grandchildren Mary Frances Annie Kate & Mary Emily Briscoe, Requiescat in pace"
From the Glasnevin Cemetery Records: Mary Frances Briscoe (b./d. 1860) from 63 Amiens St, Annie Briscoe (b.1861/d.1862) from 63 Amiens St, Emily Briscoe (b./d. 1862) from 63 Amiens St and Emily Briscoe (b./d. 1869) from 28 Jervis St.
Also in the grave are the children of Anne Maria Murray (nee Briscoe, presumed daughter of James/Anne above) Denis John Murray (b./d. 1859) and Anne Murray (b.1869, d.1864). They are not mentioned on the gravestone but in burial records. I am a decendent of Patrick Murray probable grandson of James and Anne Briscoe above, and brother to Denis Murray and Anne Murray.
James Briscoe is recorded in the Griffith Valuation Survey
James Briscoe - Griffith's Valuation (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&familyname=briscoe&firstname=james&baronyname=&countyname=DUBLIN%2C+CITY+OF&unionname=&parishname=&Submit.x=29&Submit.y=12)
Francis Briscoe, mentioned above, is technically in the adjoining grave of his parents in Glasnevin. His records show he was buried with the Christy's of Abbey Street {unmarked}. The various Christy's lived in Jervis St and Abbey St. Henry Christy is recorded in the Griffith Valuation Survey:
Henry Christy - Griffith's Valuation (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&familyname=christy&firstname=henry&baronyname=&countyname=DUBLIN%2C+CITY+OF&unionname=&parishname=&Submit.x=51&Submit.y=15)
1832, Francis was baptised and his godmother was Mary Christy:
Irish Genealogy - Francis Briscoe baptism (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/d8e68a0162421)
1829, His older brother Henry was baptised and his godfather was Henry Christy:
Irish Genealogy - Henry Briscoe baptism (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/744c030106072)
1834, Their younger sister Emilin Briscoe was baptised.
Irish Genealogy - Emilin Briscoe baptism (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/928ed80178340)
1859, Patrick Henry Briscoe, son of James, married Maria Shanahan. Henry, (his brother?), was a witness.
Irish Genealogy - Patrick Briscoe marriage (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/09c40e0410958)
They had at least one set of twin boys.
Family Search - Patrick Henry & Maria Briscoe (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Abriscoe%7E%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Apatrick%7E%20%2Bfather_surname%3Abriscoe%7E%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Amaria%7E%20%2Bmother_surname%3Ashanahan%7E&birth_place1=8%2CIreland)
1859, Henry Briscoe, son of James, married Jane Brady.
Irish Genealogy - Henry Briscoe marriage (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/e1b58b0438530)
They had at least 6 children including one set of twin girls.
Family Search - Henry & Jane Briscoe (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Abriscoe%7E%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Ahenry%7E%20%2Bfather_surname%3Abriscoe%7E%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Ajane%7E%20%2Bmother_surname%3Abrady%7E&birth_place2=8%2CIreland%2CCounty%20Dublin&birth_year0=1800)
Regards,
Pádraig
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More which I hope may be relevant from The Irish Times all at No.1 Moore Street
Edition of 23-6-1873 on P.1 a birth to Hubert Briscoe
Edition of 23-12-1874 on P.1 abirth to Hubert F.Briscoe
Edition of 27-9-1878 on P.1 the death of Joseph Henry son of Hubert & Mary Briscoe
Regards Quaxer
Hubert Murray (b. 1866 /d. 1869) was son of John and Anna Maria Murray (nee Briscoe) in Phibsborough. The name Hubert seemed to reappear.
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Hi there, I am a great grandson of Hubert F. Briscoe and Mary McCullagh, publicans, of Moore Street. He was also a newspaper compositor and is so listed in the 1901 census. His son Henry (a civil servant in Dept. of Finance in Dublin) was my grandfather, and his daughter Ita my mother. My mother had a brother Hubert but he changed his name to Aodhagan. I believe my great-great grandfather was James Briscoe - Seamas Mac Annaidh in Co. Fermanagh
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here are some of the other Briscoe entries from 1846 for ref :
John William Briscoe (and commissioner for taking affidavits), Charleville
terrace - ATTORNEYS.
Tullamore, Offaly (Kings Co.)
Hi Shane
I appreciate this is an old post of yours, but I have a John William Briscoe on a remote branch of my tree who was married to Sophia Kennedy in St Paul, Dublin on 19 Feb 1829. Sophia was born in Parsonstown, Kings Co.
Sophia and her 5 children - Ann (age 16), George (age 12), John (age 10), Samuel (age eight) and Henry (age 5) (variously born in Kilbeggan, Co. Westmeath and Tullimore, Kings Co.) all emigrated to Sydney, New South Wales on board the S.S. "Victoria", arriving on 2 Sep 1849. Sophia is recorded as a "Widow on embarkation."
Can you assist further with any death info for the John mentioned in your post?
Regards
Chiad Fhear
(St Andrews, Fife, Scotland)
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I appreciate this is an old post of yours, but I have a John William Briscoe on a remote branch of my tree who was married to Sophia Kennedy in St Paul, Dublin on 19 Feb 1829. Sophia was born in Parsonstown, Kings Co.
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Can you assist further with any death info for the John mentioned in your post?
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John's death would have been a long time before the start of civil records for deaths in 1864, so you would need to check to see if burial records are available for the parish he lived in at the time.
Probably the place to start would be the parish the youngest child was baptised. Given the fact that this John was an attorney a death notice may have appeared in a newspaper. Probably the best one to start the search in, would be Freeman's Journal, which although published in Dublin city covered some national events. It's available on various subscription websites and some major libraries.
for reference the marriage took place in the Church of Ireland St. Pauls - there's also an RC St. Paul's in Dublin city.
Shane
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I had a look at the list of Attorneys/Solicitors & Proctors in the 1848 listing in Thom's - no sign of a J.W. Briscoe in that edition, so possibly already deceased by then. So looks like between about 1846 and 1848 - but any search would need to allow some time for the compilation of the details and actual publication.
S.
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Hi Shane
Thanks for both messages.
I've been working through TROVE, the archives of the Australian Press, and have found the Death Notice for his wife Sophia which states that she was, "... relict of the late John William Briscoe, Attorney for the Four Courts of Dublin."
Armed with that, I'll now follow-up on your suggestions and pass on any results to cousins in Australia and South Africa!
Your assistance is greatly appreciated.
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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Hi Chiad Fhear,
Well this is quite interesting, just found your posting, and we are connected to John William Briscoe, Attorney of Tullimore, Ireland. We live in Australia, and John Briscoe is our GG Grandfather . We have copy of shipping records of the family arriving in Australia on board the "Victoria"
We have found in notices in Sydney Morning Herald - Marriage 6.10.1902 at Centenary Hall, York Street, Sydney, marriage of Mildred Mary Briscoe, 5th daughter of George Briscoe of Millers Point, Grand-daughter of the late John William Briscoe, Attorney of Tullimore, Ireland.
Grandmother Mildred's Father, George was a Drayman at Millers Point, Sydney from 1861 to around 1903 when he retired, he had various properties around Sydney. George Briscoe married Mary Donnelly in 1859 at the Presbyterian Church, Millers Point, Sydney.
Looking forward to hear further regarding your family connection
jan
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Hi Jan
Thanks for your post. Much of the information you included is already logged on my tree - pardon the pun - and the connection is through Marian Briscoe (1866-1947) d/o George and Mary m.s. Donnelly who married John Young Watson Lindberg (1869-1942).
There's a whole lot more ... :o ... so I will PM you later and arrange to exchange e-mail addresses.
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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Might I commend Michael Byrne's excellent book 'Legal Offaly' which I have used before, researching my own family (which in the last 24 hours, I've linked to JW Briscoe through Sophia!). Michael is an lawyer practicing in Tullamore, and a very active member of the Offaly Family History Society- I've contacted him directly in the past, and has been really helpful!
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A good review of the above
http://www.ehall.ie/tullamore_byrne.pdf
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Dr.P
Thanks for this information on Michael Byrne's book. Could it be worthwhile for me to purchase same with a view to obtaining further information on John William Briscoe as Attorney in the 4 Courts.
Jan