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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Antrim => Ireland => Antrim Completed Look up Requests => Topic started by: MaggieTag on Wednesday 21 January 09 20:59 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
Hoping to get some information about Daniel Ballentine & Agnes Ferris who married on 20.12.1878 at Larne 1st Pesbyterian.
I know its really cheeky to ask and that I could go for another certifcate but I'm post Christmas skint!
If anyone out there has info on the age of the couple, residence and Fathers occupations I would be most grateful.
Thanks
Mags
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Mags,
Fathers were Robert Ballintine and William Ferris according to Ancestry Ireland and in 1911 the couple lived in 9 Agnes Street Shankill Belfast. Daniel was 60 years and Agnes was 49. They had 8 children living with them.
Regards
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One of those children on the census was named Charles Ferres Ballentine, have you seen the book Old families of larne and District complied by George Rutherford, as there are gravestones in St Cedma's that have the name Charles Ferres. PRONI also has a will calendar index for this name.
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Thank you both very much. My ballentine family are very much Belfast people but there has always been talk of them being oriinally from the "country". I'll do some more digging!
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Mags,
Have a look in Griffiths and I think that you will find that your Ballentine family had it's roots in the Ballymena area. Ferris looks like Belfast.
Regards
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Hi Maggie
Hope I'm getting through to you - been fiddling about with activations and all sorts for ages now! Daniel Ballentine and Agnes Ferris, I believe, were my great-grandparents. My mother, their granddaughter, is still alive and kicking at the ripe old age of 82. Just happened to mention to her today as we were on our way to put flowers on the family grave that I would be interested in researching the Ferris side of the family. The grave (Belfast) is eternal home to my grandfather, Charles Ferris Ballentine (joiner), his wife Mary and my very late uncle John Ferris Ballentine. I have a younger cousin named Ian Ferris xxx! My mum had a brother who died in infancy - his name was Ferris Ballentine. As per family folklore, my mum's interpretation of family history is that the Ferris side of the family hailed from France. Three brothers arrived in Larne in order to escape persecution - they were Huguenots They set up mills in the area - their offspring went into the building trade. Ferris Park bears their name. All sorts of little snippets of family history filter through - my mum remembers her grandmother referring to 'the bastinet' which is French for pram. The Ballentines did hail from Co Antrim - Bushmills has been mentioned as the homeplace of my great-grandfather. If, in fact, the French thread of the family is neither myth nor legend, the spelling would have been 'Ferres'. J'ai etudie la langue francaise a l'ecole. Je parle assez bien mais j'ai oublie presque tous! I'm going to hit the button now and hope it works!
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Hi Jey,
How amazing and exciting to hear from you. I'm a Ballentine by marriage and researching the family for my ex. How lucky you are to still have your Mum and that she remembers so much about the family, you really should have a good old yarn with her and write it all down I have gathered a lot of information on the family since January and would be delighted to share it with you. The Ferris family did originally use Ferres but the name has been anglicized down the years . I wonder does your Mum remember my late dearly loved father in law Charlie Ballentine he was the son of William Ferres Ballentine and Mary Gordon and would have been your Mums cousin. I think I have your grandparents marriage Charles Ballentine and Mary Browne in March 1927 in Tranmere - is that right.
If you scroll through the the link below for census fragments for Larne Town 1851 to item number 71 you'll see your Great Great Great Grandparents Charles and Nancy Ferres and your Great Great Grandfather William Ferres
I'm sure your Mum would be really interested to see it as well.
I have my tree on GenesReunited but its a subscription site I think its about £10 for six months.
We cant exchange personal messages until you've made at least 3 posts and can't post anything on living people.
Again I'm really delighted to hear from you - please keep in touch.
Mags
http://irishgenealogy.net/cp/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=1725
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Hi again Mags!
Small world!
Thanks for you reply and the Census link. I've checked it out at item 71 and see listed the names of my ancestors. There's also another mention of 'Ferres' at item 73 - a married son with a baby daughter named Nancy, after her grandmother. Showed it to mum and all sorts of stories came pouring forth, eg how Daniel met Agnes (a redhead apparently!).
On the Ballentine side of the house. Your late father-in-law was indeed my mum's cousin. She paid him a visit occasionally when he was ill and you may have rubbed shoulders with her at his funeral. Re my late grandparents, Charles and Mary and their marriage. Mum believed they had been married in Birkenhead - Tranmere is a suburb of Birkenhead so that's about right.
Photographs exist of my late great-grandmother Agnes and at least one other of my mum's uncle - this was taken during the 1st World War. He had sustained serious injuries, was in a wheelchair, in a hospital surrounded by other casualties and nurses. Mum will have the exact info. Let's hope you get to see these pics and others.
We'll keep in touch!
Cheers
Jey
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Hi Jey,
Oh how I would love to hear your Mum's story about how they met! _ I'm just an old romantic at heart -And see the pictures! Agnes appears to have been 11 years older than Daniel - they married 20 Dec 1878 in Larne 1st Pres. and I think that Agnes was only 17!
I've also recently had a contact from a lady in New Zealand via GenesReunited whose mother was Mary Eliza Ballentine younger sister of your Granddad - so yes a very small world!
I've posted a couple of links for the family from the 1901& 1911 census below and also a transcript of the Ferres family headstone in St Cedmas Church Larne.
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankhill/Upper_Glenfarne_Street/950533/
You'll see on this one that Agnes has her mother living with her - her name was Jane Palmer. She married William Ferres, son of Charles. As far as i can make out, William died 10 years after they married. I'm not sure if Jane & William went to Belfast some time after they married, or if Jane went alone after she was widowed, because I think she married again in Belfast - a man by the name of Beggs? Jane died in 1901.
I have only been able to find 2 siblings for your GGrandmother Agnes - William and Charles and they both married in Manhattan.
Charles Ferres the GGGGrandfather had at least 6 children and owned a lot of property in Larne - I've got a copy of his will, and a copy of others of the Ferres family, and would be very pleased to send you a copy. And yes, the other Ferres on the 1851 is James, son Charles, and his wife Margaret (Millar) and their daughter Nancy.
Would your mum have any recollections of Daniel having a brother John - also a carpenter/joiner who was in America? Cos I've found an entry for a Daniel Ballentine, carpenter, of Belfast (and there is only our Daniel Ballentine fitting this discription in the 1901 census) going to the States in the early 1900's to visit a brother John?
I think that the man who was injured in WW1 was Daniel Ballentine (1895-1952) son of D & A, who is described on the death transcript that I have as a disabled ex-service man. He lived at 20 Agnes Street.
Daniel and Agnes had 12 children - Jane died 1900 aged 20 (how sad is that); Agnes who married Alexander Hogg; Robert who married Sarah Foster; William who married Mary Gordon ( parents of my father in law); Mary who died aged 4 in 1892; Catherine never married died of TB in 1940 at 20 Agnes St; Ellen married John McLean (Agnes was living with Ellen & John at 36 Gibson Park Gardens when she died aged 80 in 1942); Daniel as above; your Charles; Jane; Mary Eliza and Rachel -dont have anything on these last 3, maybe your mum may recall them?
My regards to your Mum, and, yes lets keep in touch.
Mags
1911 and headstone details below.
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankhill/Upper_Glenfarne_Street/950533/
FERRIS Headstone St Cedmas Larne
Erected by Charles Ferris in memory of his parents John and Fannie Ferris, also his son William who died 6th January 1861 aged 36 years, and Jane wife of Alexander Hamiltondied June 8th 1863 aged 28 years, John died 13th January 1874 aged 44 years, also his grandchildren namelyy Nancy Ferris, Robert Ferris, William Ferris, Jane Ferris, Jane Hamilton and Annie McCarley all died young and of his beloved wife Nancy who died 8th December 1877 aged 73 years, Maggie Esther died 29th November 1878 aged 22 years, also her two children John Ferris died 22nd April 1879 aged 31/2 years, and Martha died 18th August 1880 aged 3 years, Robert John ----- 12th April 1881 aged 19 years, the above named Charles Ferris who died 2nd August 1894 aged 92 years, also Mary Ferris wife of above named who died 30th May 1898 aged 69 years.
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Hi Jey,
See youre on line - make one more post and we can send pm's . I've asked that this post be made active it's presently in the completed look up requests.
Mags
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Hi again
Logged out and then logged in again to check something. You'll have to guide me.
Jey
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Mags
Posted a lengthy reply abot 10.45 but it doesn't seem to have arrived.
Jey
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Jey,
Don't know what happened to ur post - but its deff not on RChat. If you click on the little face under your name you'll be able to view all the posts you've made but the reply isn't shown. But as you've now mad 4 posts I've been able to send you a personal message.
Mags
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More on Ferres/Ferris
I have a copy of a page of a Bible belonging to John Ferres and his wife Mary Ross who were married at Larne in 1855. Children listed are Margaret born 1856, Robert 1858, Robert John 1861, William 1864, Anna 1866. Beneath this is mention of the marriage of Margaret Ferris to William Esler which took place 8th July 1876. Anna married Hugh Kirkpatrick.
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Nat,
Thank you so much for your post.
I have the marriage of John and Mary on 25/1/1855 in Larne Non -Subscribing Presbyterian Church - and had managed to find 3 of their children, Margaret, William and Annie. So its great to learn of Robert and Robert John.
John died quite young on 13/1/1874 aged about 45and left his business - he was a grocer - to his wife Mary she continued the business until her death on 30/5/1898 aged about 68. I have managed to get copies of their wills from the Public Record Office in Belfast.
I have the marriage of Margaret and William Esler/Eslar on 29/11/1878 at Larne 1st Presbyterian - They had at least two children, John and Martha, who both sadly died young. Margaret also died very young on 29/11/1878 aged 22.
Margaret and her children are on the family gravestone which you will have seen on the earlier post.
Isn't the Internet great - I see that you're in Rhodesia - allowing us to make all these world wide connections. Are you also related to this family?
Mags
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just registered with roots chat, my father, grandfather gggf all came from larne and were all james ferris. all the names you mention i have in a muddled up family search. I have some family tree dating back but am missing the period 1800 1900. will come back with more details
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Hi S Ferris,
Excellent look forward to hearing from you.
Mags
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Hi s,
The James F's that I know of are James born c 1823 (son of Charles) married to Margaret Millar. They had a son also James born mid 1800's. James had sisters Margaret who married Greenlees, Nancy/Agnes died 1879 aged 24, Mary married McCurdy and Eliza married Beggs died 1882 aged 21.
I haven't been able to find any other information about James jr - and only know of his existence because he erected a headstone for his Mother and sisters. Inscription of headstone is below.
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Grave yard Inver CI
Surname: FERRIS
Inscription: Erected by James Ferris in memory of his mother Margaret Ferris who died 28th August 1905 aged 84 years, also his sister Agnes who died 29th December 1879 aged 24 years, his sister Eliza Beggs who died 21st October 1882 aged 21 years
Other Information: Marble Sarcophagus
Does this mean anything to you?
Mags
Mags
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Hi Mags,
super to make contact with you. My info differs from yours in that the Bible gives date of Margaret Ferres to William Esler as July 1876. I did not know about their children. The younger daughter od John and Mary, Annie (anna in Bible) married Kirkpatrick and all their children like your Ballentine's carry Ferris/Feres as a Christian name.
Although Rhodesia born I live in Johannesburg.
I did not see the gravestone photo - is it something I can access now?
Regards
Nat
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thanks for the info, myggf was james ferris born 1858 died 1940 married to agnes mcilwaine. he built a lot of houses in larne and owne da lot of property. he had sisters mary ann, b 27.10.1856 married to john mccurdy, eliza, b 17.4.1861, died 21.10.1882 married to stewart beggs also nancy b 1.9.1850 and margaret b 23.1.1852. I couldnt verify his father married to margaret miller. i am sort of stuck at this point about his father charles. i have a family tree starting @ 1620 called phares, then faries up until early 1800's with lots of detail but cant fill the gap. i need help but how can i give u a copy of the early family tree. I am also interested in natceez as i heard of a ferris family bible with details on it and would be obliged with any help. hope to hear from u soon
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Hi S,
Great to hear back from you and its amazing that you have got a tree going back to 1620's! I would be really interested in seeing that!
James Ferris and Margaret Millar married 25/12/1849 at Ballyeaston 1st Pres. James father was Charles FERRES (c1804-1894)and his wife was Nancy Gilmore Charles parents were John FERRES and Fannie. I have lots of other info on the family from Charles down that I'd be happy to share with you. We can exchange personal messages via this site once you've 3 post.
I am almost sure that this is your ggfather and his family on the 1901 & 1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Larne/Main_Street/996051/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Larne/Glenarm_Road/196680/
Hope to speak soon,
Mags
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Hi Nat,
Lovely to hear from you again.
I've been in touch with another Roostchatter -JeyHey who hopes to be able to get a photo of the headstone soon and I'm sure that we can arrange to get a copy to you. What I've referred to in an earlier post on this thread is a transcription of the stone.
Once you've made 3 posts and we can exchange information via personal message. I'll have to get my typing fingers limbered up and get all the info into a document that I can forward to you!!
Good luck
Mags
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Hi Mags,
this is getting very exciting indeed. Thanks for the info about posting three times. I will have a squiz for the transcription about Charles, it would seem that he was father of my John. Thoroughly enjoyed going through the 1851 census and picked up Mary Ross then aged 20 listed as a servant for Baillie family - a question though if this is my Mary Ross, then who would have been responsible for the added info that she died - which is to be seen slightly below her entry?
Wow go JeyHey photo of the Headstone would be very welcome. Can almost feel the grass surrounding the grave.
Got the page from the Bible out and John indicates that he was born 3 March 1830 and his wife Mary Ross on 16th March 1830. Hope this helps other Ferris/Ferres's too.
cheers,
Nat
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Hi Nat,
Thanks for all this - its great to hear from you!
Hard to say who would have had Mary interred in the family grave. Charles her father in law died 4 years before her - i have a copy of Charles will and he makes particular mention that the lease of the shop that Marys runs and which he owned, at 3 Meeting House St Larne, should remain in her. Charles left his estate to his daughter Eliza. Maybe it was she that arranged for Mary burail. Only a guess.
I manged to find Annie Kirkpatrick and her family in Meeting house St Larne in the 1901 census but they'd disappeared by the next census in 1911. I wondered where they had gone. Maybe to Africa?
This is a link to the family.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Larne/Meetinghouse_Street/996127/
Be in touch soon.
Mags
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Hi Nat,
I'm a idjit!
I also have copies of John and Marys wills, you will find Marys particularly interesting because it mentions Annie and her children- remembered them when I was doing the dishes and having a "blank" moment.
You really should have a copy of these - I will scan them and hopefully will arrange to get them to you.
Mags
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Hi Mags,
Dishes? housework interrupts our hobbie so much does it not? I wish my husband and children could fend for themselves and I could just spend hours having fun.... but that's life isn't it?Would LOVE to have the Will's - make interesting reading you say... well thanks for thinking of them and me. In return I will scan these pages as I'm sure you would love to have them. Now that you mention it I see there's a goodie below which says "attach a photo or image" have you used that before - does it only go to you or does it land up somewhere else, not that it matters for these pages will help all those who are tracing Annie's siblings - be patient, I am learning my way around rootschat .... best regards
Nat
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hi mags, thanks for the info, it is brill, it clicks in perfectly.i have john and fanny on the old tree with lots of other details. Ideally i need to talk direct so that we can exchange info. If i can find the details and fill the gaps from john and fanny down my parts complete. john had five siblings, his parents were charles faries 1724 to 1794 married to elizabeth coulter. there s lots more.
I live in Co.Down. Am pushed for time at moment but hope to contact you soon. Thanks
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Hi s,
This is getting really exciting - great that made the connection. I will send you a personal message with my details - then we can get the ball rolling!
Speak soon,
Mags
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[ john had five siblings, his parents were charles faries 1724 to 1794 married to elizabeth coulter. there s lots more.]
Hello S, have been watching your posts on Ferres/Ferris line. Am interested in the names of the siblings you mention John has. I can send you the pages from the Bible I have if you'd like.
cheers,
Nat
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hi natceez, yes i would be very interested in your bible entries. do you know were this originated and how you came by it, . am hopefully meeting up soon with mags and will pool our info, regards s
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Hello 'S',
It s a family bible which belongs to our Kirkpatrick family, Annie Ferris was daughter of John Ferris and Mary Ross, John was son of Charles Ferris. If you send me an email address I will send you a scan of what I have. I am interested in the 'tree' you mention, is there any way you can share it?
regards
Nat
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nat, yes i hope to give the details all to mags and then hopefully we can send you the info, there's quite a bit, its just knowing how to send it as its on a large sheet but i'll work it out. When you say john and mary, is mary - fanny ? . email (*)
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S Ferris,
I have the pages of the ferris entries from the Bible to send you. Please re-send your email address which I noted down but have mislaid. I went through the archives of our messages and the email details do not show due to privacy cause. Anyway it's sitting here waiting to be sent.... regards Nat
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Hi I'm looking for my Grandfather's family He was Thomas Ballentine I think born 24April 1874 my granny Margaret Maggie was his 3 rd wife Larne his father was I think Daniel Ballentine could be from Shankill but no mention of having a so Thomas could we be related I have no family history of my grandfather thanks Linda
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Looking for family history of my Grandfather Thomas Ballentine Larne I think born 1874 Died 1961 thanks
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hi jeyhey. i believe the lane adjacent to our terraced row is named after your relative. agnes ferris. its called agnes avenue! small world
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Welcome to RootsChat, dinomac :)
i believe the lane adjacent to our terraced row is named after your relative. agnes ferris. its called agnes avenue!
Jeyhey was last online here in February 2012 and may not reply.
Would your Agnes Avenue be in Larne?
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01swz/
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it is yes
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…mention of the marriage of Margaret Ferris to William Esler which took place 8th July 1876.
I have the marriage of Margaret and William Esler/Eslar on 29/11/1878 at Larne 1st Presbyterian…
William ESLER married Maggie FERRIS on 8 July 1875 at 1st Presbyterian Church, Larne.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1875/11210/8108654.pdf
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I'm looking for info on the Ballentine family especially Daniel Ballentine who lived in billy Bushmills moved to Larne and then married and lived in Belfast
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I'm looking for info on the Ballentine family especially Daniel Ballentine who lived in billy Bushmills moved to Larne and then married and lived in Belfast
There are several Daniel Ballentines mentioned in this thread so you'll need to give us more details about the one you are looking for and what information you already have found.