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Title: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Wednesday 21 January 09 18:38 GMT (UK)
I have spent 2 very frustrating years trying to trace my fathers line.
I had hoped that the 1911 census would finally sort it out for me, but it has confused things further still! Whilst I think I found my gf staying with his grandparents on it, it doesn't fit in with family folklore at all!

The story is that my father was the 3rd George Henry Cooper
My ggf wedding certificate in 1902 states that he was 21 (could they lie btw?)
The story is that they were a farming family from Iver Heath and that my ggf was the 4th son and had to leave the farm - I don't know why.

Would somebody be so kind as to look in the Iver Heath records for a  George Cooper b1881ish please?

I found a David and Fanny Cooper on the 1871 census with several children including a daughter Elizabeth 11 and a son George 6. Something traumatic happened as in 1881 there is no wife and no George plus several others missing, and Elizabeth is housekeeper. Could George perhaps have died in that 10 years and then his wife died giving birth to another son that was called George but being looked after by grandparents at the time of the census? It's a theory that fits the appearances......
I can't find them at all in 1891...
It's all very frustrating!
Any help appreciated
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Tati on Wednesday 21 January 09 19:00 GMT (UK)
Hi Wookietoo,

What does the 1911 census say for George - birth place, birth year, grandfather's details?

Also, what are his father's name and occupation on the marriage cert, and who were the witnesses?

 :)
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Wednesday 21 January 09 19:16 GMT (UK)
Well on the 1911 census I found a George Henry Cooper of the right age, born in Walworth (his birth cert says Southwark), where his parents were married. I also found a Mary Cooper in hospital, which may be coincidence, but that was his mother's name and so would perhaps explain why George is with grandparents.
BUT those grandparents come from Warwick, he was a butcher, and so were his sons....

.....so doesn't fit the story. Very convincing though  ;D

Witnesses don't help as one is brides side and the other is illegible....maybe Golding
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Wednesday 21 January 09 19:20 GMT (UK)
Theres only 1 George in the Eton District BMD records - cant find him in 1881 either .... the family looks 'normal' in 1881, Fanny has died and most of the kids are around plus new uns. Eliza is in service, George is missing.


No, it wasnt checked what age you stated on a Marriage Cert - and 'of full age' (21 or over) is quite common ...

Births Mar 1865    
 
COOPER  George     Eton  3a 403
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Wednesday 21 January 09 19:21 GMT (UK)
1891, David has remarried - a Harriet, born Rickmansworth, Herts c1833 .... nobody else at home....

RG12/1133; Folio 100; Page 25 - Iver

Marriages Mar 1883   
 
COOPER  David    Eton  3a 579    to  DRURY  Harriet     
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Wednesday 21 January 09 19:25 GMT (UK)
Unless that 1902 Marriage Cert confirms that a David, Ag Lab is the father of George, I think you have the wrong ancestors in Iver Heath ?
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Wednesday 21 January 09 23:04 GMT (UK)
Hi Newf
I think you could be right, I think that I have gotten into such a muddle over the last few days since the 1911 came out, that I am confusing the generations! I also made my original posting in a rush, which didn't help....

I'll start again I think....
I was reasonably happy that the George Henry I found on the 1911 census may well be my gf.

His Birth cert details:
George Henry Cooper born 24.8.04 son of George Cooper and Sophia Mary Cooper nee Apthorpe. Father Railway Porter of Brandon Street Newington. Registered in Newington North, Southwark.

In 1911 I have Sophia Mary Cooper as a patient in Southwark Infirmary
They also had a daughter known as Maisie that I have never been able to trace at all, and I'm pretty sure that Maisie isn't her real name. In 1911 there is a Mary A Cooper also in hospital, but in Hackney. Coincidence? I don't know.

On the 1902 marriage cert George Cooper aged 21, a shunter, marries Sophia Mary Apthorpe 22.
His father is given as George Cooper, Shunter. They married in Walworth, Southwark.
A shunter wasn't a driver, but somebody who unhitched wagons.

That is the end of known facts..

1911 census shows a George Henry Cooper aged 6 born in Walworth living in Albany Road Southwark with grandparents.....George Cooper unemployed scaleman and cutter aged 55 from Warwick, Eliza tie maker 51 from Hayes Middx and EIGHT children (but no George). George was a butcher and his sons seem to be following in his footsteps.

My gut feeling is that this could be him.....but it doesn't fit in with the Iver Heath legend mentioned in my first post.
My mother claims that my father was the 3rd George Henry - certainly he is George the 3rd.

Hence my confusion and asking if anybody can find a George born in Iver Heath in 1881!!

If any of you experts can pinpoint something I would love to hear from you!
It's a shame that George Cooper is such a common name...
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Wednesday 21 January 09 23:06 GMT (UK)
1891, David has remarried - a Harriet, born Rickmansworth, Herts c1833 .... nobody else at home....

I had found that one, but it's a different address in the same street, and his age isn't right.
David also pops up in 1901 married to  Louisa, again in the same street
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 22 January 09 10:29 GMT (UK)
Good, we'll take it from there then !  :)

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On the 1902 marriage cert George Cooper aged 21, a shunter, marries Sophia Mary Apthorpe 22.
His father is given as George Cooper, Shunter. They married in Walworth, Southwark

Does Sophia Mary give her PoB in 1911 ?

I'll see what shows up using the probable link to the George from Warwick - the grandparent in 1911.
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 10:45 GMT (UK)
ok, just paid (yet again!) to view the transcript.
It shows her as born Southwark.
Mine was born Westminster....next door.
I don't know whether this is good or bad............
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 22 January 09 10:46 GMT (UK)
The 'Grandparents in 1901 ... note the address links well with the 1911 find you mentioned ...

1901 - RG13; Piece: 516; Folio: 74; Page: 27 - Camberwell, St George
283, Albany Rd

 
George Cooper 43  Head Butcher & Scalesman born Warwick
Eliza Cooper 39  Wife born Middx, Hayes
George Cooper  18  son General Labourer  Southall
Ellen Eliza Cooper 16  dau Hat Hand Fancy Work do
Thomas Cooper 13  son London City
Elizabeth Ann Cooper 10  dau Camberwell
Henry Harrold Cooper 9  son do
Florence Bertha Cooper 7  dau do
Edith Elsie Cooper 5  dau do
Alice Beatrice Cooper 2  dau do
Amy Blanchie Cooper 1  dau do



Soooooo, either your George changed jobs from 1901 to 1902 and got into the Railways - and aslo said his Dad did ...

OR ... the George Henry you found with this family in 1911 isnt the right lad ?


You say you couldnt find George the shunter in 1911 ?
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 10:51 GMT (UK)
Yes, I found this family, and I don't think shunter was a skilled job, so yes he could have chnaged....by 1904 he is a railway porter.
His age isn't right to be 21 in 1902 (unless you didn't have to produce a birth cert to marry).....
I just looked up the address where George 1904 was born - and it is in Walworth, the same as the lad I have found in 1911.

None of it fits with the family legend though.
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 22 January 09 11:07 GMT (UK)
staying focused on the George that married in 1902 ...


If you search the free Index in the 'official' 1901 census -

http://www.1901censusonline.com/search.asp?wci=person_search&page=search&searchtype=1&


you can see all Georges born for example 1875 to 1885 with occupation - all in the Greater London area.

The only Railway related job out of 73 candidates is a Detective .....

If 'young' George born Walworth, is the only candidate found in 1911, the I guess thats it.


So where was George the shunter/porter in 1911, and what PoB does he show ?


PS. Just to put Iver to bed - the George born 1865, Iver is married to a Mary in Fulmer in 1901, with a 2 year old George in tow .... George snr is a Gardener ....
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 22 January 09 11:16 GMT (UK)
Looks like some elimination to be done if your chap was registered as George Henry .....


Births Mar 1904    

Cooper  George Henry     St. Geo. H. Sq.  v1a p486   


Births Dec 1904 
 
COOPER  George Henry     Southwark  v1d p70   


Births Sep 1905   
 
Cooper  George Henry     Southwark  v1d p26
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 22 January 09 11:27 GMT (UK)
is this Maisie ? ( Maisie is usually a diminutive form of Margaret ? )

Births Mar 1905  
 
Cooper  Margaret     Camberwell  v1d p938


note mothers maiden name appears in Index post 1911 - seems a big gap ?

Births Sep 1917   
 
Cooper  Eileen  Apthorpe  Camberwell  v1d p1129
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 11:30 GMT (UK)
Looks like some elimination to be done if your chap was registered as George Henry .....

Now you are really tying me up in knots as this part of the research was done a couple of years ago and I can't remember the full details. I gave up, waiting for the 1911 to come out!
I know I got several birth certs at the time.....

From memory I was looking for one married to Sophia or Sophie as she was known as Granma Sophie to somebody in the family I think.

I have a photo of his grave, died 7th Sept 1977 aged 73
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 11:34 GMT (UK)
Births Sep 1917   
 
Cooper  Eileen  Apthorpe  Camberwell  v1d p1129


Oh God YES!
There was a sister Eileen, I had her as c1915
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 22 January 09 11:35 GMT (UK)
what do you think about the Margaret I added in above ?
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 22 January 09 11:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Wookie, sorry that its a lot of facts at a time !


please read all the posts carefully as I have some unaswered questions - ta .

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staying focused on the George that married in 1902 ...


If you search the free Index in the 'official' 1901 census -

http://www.1901censusonline.com/search.asp?wci=person_search&page=search&searchtype=1&


you can see all Georges born for example 1875 to 1885 with occupation - all in the Greater London area.

The only Railway related job out of 73 candidates is a Detective .....

If 'young' George born Walworth, is the only candidate found in 1911, the I guess thats it.


So where was George the shunter/porter in 1911, and what PoB does he show  ?

Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 12:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Wookie, sorry that its a lot of facts at a time !


please read all the posts carefully as I have some unaswered questions - ta .

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So where was George the shunter/porter in 1911, and what PoB does he show  ?

Sorry, I'm having trouble keeping up!
I have to embarrassingly confess to a degree of ignorance and scarcity of cash!
I have paid to look at as many George's as I can afford (more, really) on the 1911 census, and can't find him anywhere - he is very much the missing link.

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note mothers maiden name appears in Index post 1911 - seems a big gap ?

It looks very promising when you put it together with the Eileen Apthorpe Cooper!
I don't know how to find the index though so I don't know what you mean...... :-[
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 22 January 09 12:33 GMT (UK)
Index as shown when you search FreeBMD for Births etc ...... after 1911 they showed mothers maiden name (I highlighted that particular one) in Birth Index and after 1912 (or vice versa) they showed Spouse name in the marriage index.

The name I showed was Eileen Cooper, Apthorpe is the index field for Mothers Maiden name ......

Did you see I found a Margaret born in Camberwell - might be Maisie ....


Well, if we cant find George in 1911, thats a blow cos we really need his PoB !

I'd leave it for a few months until you can get a subscription to the site - he isnt going anywhere   :P
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 13:00 GMT (UK)
ok......

To back track...
I just double-checked....

From his grave photo I searched for deaths in 3rd quarter 1977 and his was the *only* George Henry Cooper registered, and it gives dob. My birth cert matches that date, so the Sophia Apthorpe is definitely correct. If you have found a birth for Eileen with mothers name Apthorpe, Apthorpe is a rare name, and I know there was an Eileen, so I am confident that this is her.

Would getting a birth certificate for her give me anything new?
I'm reluctant to pay for one for the Margaret when she might not be correct!

Silly as it seems I didn't know about the 1901censusonline site, with the index that gives occupations.
I have a subscription to Ancestry.com, but find it an absolute pig to search properly.
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 22 January 09 13:22 GMT (UK)
Hi W, I dont doubt that the George you back-tracked on and obtained a Birth Cert for is your man - I'm saying that given the FATHER's info about railway work etc shown on Marriage and Birth Certs, that the young George you found with Grandparents in the Butchery trade in the 1911 census may not be the same chap !

Which means that he might be one of the other Birth Index entries I showed, and that YOUR chap is elsewhere ...... altho given that it really looks like his Mum in hospital in 1911, being with Grandparents would not be unusual ..... so maybe the info about occupations was deliberatley wrong ?


so we need his Dad's info to make the link with the family George jnr was with in 1911, and the George I saw with them in the same road in 1901.


No, Eileens cert probably wont help - and the Margaret is pure guesswork based on a diminutive name and the District and year born - if you ordered it from the GRO you could make it conditional on mother's name, would save £3.00 if wrong.

All it might yield is another occupation for George and another address - other than proving that you were right about another daughter.


Phew, need to go and lie down now   ;)
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 13:32 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all your help, I really appreciate it - I feel that finding Eileen is a step forward!
The more names I can accurately put on a tree the more chances that a relation will come forward.

In the 1901 I have found a George living in a lodging house, described as a porter - others in there state railway porter or kitchen porter...... He's in Southwark and born in Southwark. Wondering if shunter could also mean porter. All very menial jobs for a chap who went on to be a top lighting technician at Ellstree Film Studios!

Also found another George who is described as a "carman" - no idea what that is, but sounds a possibility.....born in City and living in Southwark
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 22 January 09 13:36 GMT (UK)
lost me - which George went on to be a Lighting Tech in Elstree studios - father or son ?

Carman / Carrier - drove a horse and cart .... A person who drove a vehicle used to transport goods or maybe a forerunner of a Cab driver ..... google one of the old occupation sites ...

Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 13:39 GMT (UK)
Lost myself sorry, so tired. 1904 George. Keep forgetting it's his father we are looking at....don't shout at me please  ;D
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 22 January 09 13:51 GMT (UK)
now, if we could find the George from 1901 I showed in the butchers family - PoB Southall wasnt it .... in the 1911 .....

must go, good luck.

 :)
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 13:58 GMT (UK)
I've found him 100%

Family legend and butchery is all wrong.

I am so delighted and it is directly related to you giving me the link to the 1901census.com.

I was looking  for railway occupations, found a couple and stopped, then noticed a George H Cooper silk tie cutter. Something about that rang a bell, and I looked up the full page through Ancestry.

There are the whole family living in a place called peabody buildings in the East End....and my mother kept mentioning peabody buildings!!
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 14:00 GMT (UK)
Not sure if this is the right ref: RG 13/261
and he is the right age - AND the 3rd generation Georege H Cooper
Title: Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Tati on Thursday 22 January 09 14:12 GMT (UK)
Possibly a red herring but I searched the 1911 for a George Cooper, occupation Shunter, and there are ony 3:

George Henry Cooper age 31, occupation shunter, in Derby district (I can't quite make out who's in the household with him, but I see there's a George Henry Cooper age 6 in Derby as well ...)

George Cooper age 30, occupation shunter, in Wakefield district

George Edward Cooper age 25, occupation shunter, in Lambeth district

Grrrr ... can't wait for that census to be included in a subscription  :P

Oops - just seeing new post ... good  :D :D   
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 22 January 09 16:44 GMT (UK)
RG13/261; Folio: 56; Page: 17 - St Luke, Finsbury


Now I'm totally bewildered !

How does a chap who is a Silk Tie Cutter, with a Father who is some sort of Printer get married a year later south of the River and transform himself into a Railway employee (shunter / porter ) and his dad into similar ?

So we've moved from Iver in Bucks Farming / Ag Labbing to Camberwell and Butchering to Finsbury ...



Hmmmm, I dont think you are there yet ....   ;)
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 16:50 GMT (UK)
Every time I mentioned the research my mum keeps saying that they came from peabody buildings......
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 22 January 09 16:55 GMT (UK)
Hi Tati -

did you spot any London PoBs for the 'Norveners' you found ?






Hi Wookie - dont mean to rain on your parade - it is possible that occupations were changed of course .....

Can you see the chap from the 1901 Peabody address in the 1911 census at all, I can only do superficial searches, but a silk tie maker of that name & age is in Islington ....

COOPER GEORGE Male 1881 age 30 Islington London



So I was sort of correct in questioning if the George you found as a grandchild in Camberwell was the right one, but ....... wasnt the Grandmother Eliza a Tie Maker - is that what is jogging a memory ?
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 16:59 GMT (UK)
I just spoke to my mother and she said that Maisie definitely lived in Peabody buildings.....

I'll have a look at the 1911 now....
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 22 January 09 17:13 GMT (UK)
If you use that 1901 site I showed you for address searches, there are Peabody addresses (Bldgs etc) in Holborn, Westminster, Bermondsey and Southwark amongst 300 or so hits ....

Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 17:18 GMT (UK)
oh no!!!!!!
Surely I can't be plagued by that much of a coincidence  :'(
I was so so pleased to have found him....

Ihave a horrible feeling that you are right though - I just searched 1911 and found this:

COOPER, GEORGE HEAD MARRIED 32 M 54 GOLD BLOCKER LONDON WESTMINSTER     
COOPER, EMMA WIFE MARRIED  F 52  LONDON SOUTHWARK     
COOPER, FLORENCE DAUGHTER SINGLE  F 27 UMBRELLA TIPPER LONDON HOXTON     
COOPER, HELENA DAUGHTER SINGLE  F 16 ERRANG GIRL LONDON ST LUKE'S     
COOPER, ALFRED SON   M 12 SCHOOL LONDON ST LUKE'S     
JACKSON, CHARLES BOARDER SINGLE  M 31 WAITER CLUB LONDON CLEKENWELL

Dad is still a printer in 1911

I going to go and have a sob now......
I just told the whole family that I found him!
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 22 January 09 17:29 GMT (UK)
....  :(

and I think you'll find that '1901 Peabody Bldgs' George is in Islington as a Silk Tie *, with two young sons in the 1911 - cant look at the transcription, sorry ...

Onward & upward .... I've been looking at the 1881 census for Georges in (South) London engaged in the Railway businees - theres a few, but mostly clerks, inspectors and engine drivers ....


see if you can find the George I found in 1901 - a Gen Lab, born Southall ...
 8)
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 17:35 GMT (UK)

I think I already found that one a couple of days ago hahaha
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Tati on Thursday 22 January 09 18:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Tati -
did you spot any London PoBs for the 'Norveners' you found ?
I don't think so - they didn't show when I searched for birth place London or Middlesex  :-\
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Thursday 22 January 09 18:24 GMT (UK)
Ta muchly - any observations on the status quo ?
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Tati on Thursday 22 January 09 18:26 GMT (UK)
I'm completely lost  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 18:41 GMT (UK)
So..... have we made any progress?

Yes, it looks like you found Eileen for me... ;D

Have we ruled out Iver Heath? I've looked through ALL the census pages for 1880 1890 and 1901 that covered Iver. There were quite a few Coopers living there. George 1881 doesn't necessarily have to be born there, the story is just that they came from that way......
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 21:12 GMT (UK)


.....and I just bit the bullet to check all the 1904-born George Coopers on the 1911 census in the Southwark area and none of them match up, so I am only left with the Warwick option....
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Tati on Thursday 22 January 09 21:16 GMT (UK)
Who were the marriage witnesses - anyone named Cooper?

If we are open to all suggestions, then there's also this one (he's still in the same area with his parents in 1901 though)
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=22339788
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 22:37 GMT (UK)
No, there were no Cooper witnesses I'm afraid.....

The Brummie looks interesting....trying to find him in later censuses
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Thursday 22 January 09 22:44 GMT (UK)
Nope, in 1901 they are still in Brum, dad is an inspector and young George is a book stall assistant
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Friday 23 January 09 11:16 GMT (UK)
Did look good - but like all the other leads its got a problem  ..... Geo jnr was a Book Stall Asst in 1901 (his dad has done well, rising to Marshalling Inspector in the LNR tho - sort of super shunter).

Does anybody in your family remember a Brummy accent ?

If you have eliminated all the other Georges born 1904/5 in the Southwark / Walworth area and slightly broader, and thus you are left with the Warwick option .... then we need to know why George who married Sophia said he & his Dad were Railway types on the 1902 Marriage Cert ! (Not to mention occupation on the 1904 BCert - which deffo links in Sophia !)

My advice would be to wait until all the search features and subscription rates are available in the 1911 census  :)




Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Friday 23 January 09 11:19 GMT (UK)
Otherwise, a Conan Doyle quote springs to mind .....


Quote
When you have eliminated the impossible, what ever is left - no matter how improbable - is the answer
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Friday 23 January 09 11:45 GMT (UK)
Does anybody in your family remember a Brummy accent ?

No, there's nobody to ask now, only my mum who is 85 and would mistake a Brummie accent for a Geordie  ::)

I've solved the peabody buildings mystery.
When my gf got married in 1926 he did so from Peabody Buildings Camberwell, and this is where Maisie visited mum from.....mum said Camden hahahaha

I've tried searching in 1901 but there are so many Peabody's spread throughout Camberwell, I can't figure out how to get to the right one......

Quote
My advice would be to wait until all the search features and subscription rates are available in the 1911 census  :)

As in, ancestry.com will get it you mean?
It's so frustrating when I've waited 2 years for the 1911 to be released!
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Friday 23 January 09 12:56 GMT (UK)
FindMyPast say they will offer subscription rates 'later in 2009' .....

Ancestry wont get a chance to have it for some time .... FindMyPast / BrightSolid have a 6 months exclusivity after they have completed the launch .... so any other company would then have to negotiate purchase of the very recently expensive filmed records and then start the task of transcribing ....

Glad the Peabody address got resolved - can you not use the 1901 site to do an address search and compare with 1911 - sort of a 'control list' so you dont spend too much on 1911 ?

 :)


PS. You did see that I eventually found the older George from Iver - he was a Gardener in 1901, with a 2 year old son George - in Fulmer I think it was w/o loookng back up the thread ....
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: wookietoo on Friday 23 January 09 13:47 GMT (UK)
Glad the Peabody address got resolved - can you not use the 1901 site to do an address search and compare with 1911 - sort of a 'control list' so you dont spend too much on 1911 ?

Thanks for all your help - I really appreciate it  :-*

The 1901 site can be address searched, but then I can't get into it to find page references or anything.
Ancestry.com doesn't have an address search (or I can't find it) and the definitions of the huge number of Camberwell districts just give street names. All I have for address is 7K Peabody Buildings Camberwell SE
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Friday 23 January 09 14:04 GMT (UK)
take the Parish, Ward and Ecclesiastical Parish info from the 1901 hit list, then in 1901 Ancestry get into the Camberwell (civil) Parish, and display the Enumeration Districts - these are listed in E. Parish Order .... trawl thru the Enumerators description pages looking for the street address etc.


Its a slog !
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: shell31uk on Friday 06 February 09 16:23 GMT (UK)
....  :(

and I think you'll find that '1901 Peabody Bldgs' George is in Islington as a Silk Tie *, with two young sons in the 1911 - cant look at the transcription, sorry ...

Onward & upward .... I've been looking at the 1881 census for Georges in (South) London engaged in the Railway businees - theres a few, but mostly clerks, inspectors and engine drivers ....


see if you can find the George I found in 1901 - a Gen Lab, born Southall ...
 8)
hi have u heard of spencer cooper
Title: Re: Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
Post by: Necromancer on Friday 06 February 09 16:32 GMT (UK)
not on this thread  ::)


why dont you start a new thread about him ?


Looks like the Guardian of Suffolk has already obliged

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,358890.msg2357578.html#msg2357578

 :)