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Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt and it's Ladylils turn. It's a good one......a hard one, but an interesting one.
Good Luck and Good Hunting.
Barbara
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Joseph Krakofsky/Bennett 24/03/1912 birth place 11 Eenest St. S.W.London, England Birth Reference Number : Fa800840 known as Jo/ Yossel
Joe changed his name to Bennett 9/10/1945 he died 2003 Somerset.
He was m. to Rose King. They had XXXX
He had a brother Samuel, Jacob (Jack). Their parents Barnet Krakofsky b.1888 Warsaw Poland Fanny Karpin b. 1880 Poland
These are the details that are sure. I've added a few more details but I'm not sure if they're exact.
Good luck + Thanks
(There's also this link giving a little more information..........Barbara.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,316223.msg2046218.html#msg2046218 )
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interesting ...will catch up .. later if my internet stays connected
am at work at the mo!
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Searching on Family Search (all resources), Krakofsky in Surname and Poland leads to a submitted entry for Barnet, but there are contact details there - address and this leads to http://www.genealogy.com/users/o/w/e/James-Owen-portland/?Welcome=1075103873 with a contact email, don't know how old the data is though?
Jen
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London Phone Books via Ancestry...
1927 to 1937, J Krakofsky, Ladies Tailor, 37 Fairclough Street, E1
1937 to 1940, J Krakofsky, Ladies Tailor, 23 Stamford Hill, N16
1940 to 1945, J Krakofsky, Ladies Tailor, 80 Cazenove Road, N16
Then no more after that... name change???
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Do you have his naturalisation certificate?
National Archives ref: HO 144/1479/341706
Barnett Cracowski from Russia, resident in Manchester, certificate 5002 which was issued on 13th November 1919.
I got someones naturalisation papers a couple of years ago through their digital express service, it depends how many pages there are but for the one I got it cost less than a tenner and there was tons of useful information, for about £18 you can get them in a few hours.
HTH
Jen
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Searching on Family Search (all resources), Krakofsky in Surname and Poland leads to a submitted entry for Barnet, but there are contact details there - address and this leads to http://www.genealogy.com/users/o/w/e/James-Owen-portland/?Welcome=1075103873 with a contact email, don't know how old the data is though?
Jen
Hi,
This link for James-Owen, I shared my tree years ago with his wife and she got muddled up on my tree, then got annoyed with me I'm afraid, so it won't be any help!
Thanks anyway
Regards
Ladylil
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Hi,
This link for James-Owen, I shared my tree years ago with his wife and she got muddled up on my tree, then got annoyed with me I'm afraid, so it won't be any help!
Thanks anyway
Regards
Ladylil
Oh dear! been there myself, there was another one on there that linked to Genes Reunited was that her too?
Jen
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Hi
Here's one more from National Archives
Home Office: Registered Papers, Supplementary HO 144/12813
Nationality and Naturalisation: Krakofsky (or Kracofski), Herschl (or Harry Barnett), from Russia. Resident in London. Certificate 18890 issued 29 October 1930. from Date: 1930.
deb :)
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do these links help ?
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~polwgw/Research.html
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/polandv.html
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~polwgw/polandarchives.html
http://www.interment.net/other/poland/index.htm
i hope so!
added - of course the speeling you have is the englih verison - you would need to get it translated into the Polish spelling before searching the polish documents or it will draw a blank. :)
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London Phone Books via Ancestry...
1927 to 1937, J Krakofsky, Ladies Tailor, 37 Fairclough Street, E1
1937 to 1940, J Krakofsky, Ladies Tailor, 23 Stamford Hill, N16
1940 to 1945, J Krakofsky, Ladies Tailor, 80 Cazenove Road, N16
Then no more after that... name change???
Joseph was an accoutant, his father Barnet was a walking stick/umbrella maker.
Hope this will be some help.
Thanks very much.
Ladylil
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Hi
Here's one more from National Archives
Home Office: Registered Papers, Supplementary HO 144/12813
Nationality and Naturalization: Krakofsky (or Kracofski), Herschl (or Harry Barnett), from Russia. Resident in London. Certificate 18890 issued 29 October 1930. from Date: 1930.
deb :)
Hi,
I believe Joseph had a brother Harry so possibly the same......
Russia, Germany or Poland I find it very confusing I've browsed many internet sites, then realise when the immigration officials at the time noted so many from Warsaw, it was easier to mark Warsaw due to the communication difficulty apparently.
Thanks
Ladylil
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do these links help ?
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~polwgw/Research.html
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/polandv.html
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~polwgw/polandarchives.html
http://www.interment.net/other/poland/index.htm
i hope so!
added - of course the speeling you have is the englih verison - you would need to get it translated into the Polish spelling before searching the polish documents or it will draw a blank. :)
I"ll try and translate my details but I'm worried that I won't understand the replies even with google translator, the translation isn't always exact. Do you know any other ways of simplyfying this?
Thanks,
Ladylil
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This is turning out to be one of the hardest you've done isn't it!!
It's a challenge, go for it...... ;D ;D
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Joseph was an accoutant, his father Barnet was a walking stick/umbrella maker.
Hope this will be some help.
Thanks very much.
Ladylil
Hi Ladylil
Sorry, didn't explain myself well, I thought this could be Jacob, and wondered if it was significant that he stops appearing in the phone book the same year as Joseph changed his name?
Jen
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for a translator try
babelfish.
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Warsaw = Warszawa
possibly Krakowska
now if the person concerend was male the name would in in (phoentic) Ski
however if the person was female the name would end in (phoentic) Scar
i ave signed up to mylaungeexchange.com to try to help with my research as its helpful if you can read the langauge
My nan also has a English / Ukraine dictionary
i see babelfish doesnt give Polish but the next best thing would be Russian
and Yossel (probably the equivalant to Joseph ) (translation deletd as incorrect)
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http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/yampol/yam900.html
:)
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i see babelfish doesnt give Polish but the next best thing would be Russian
try poltran.com
although the names do not seem to be recognised probably because they have been anglicised
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Hi,
I've had a few problems with my computer + power cuts, so sorry for the delay in replying!
Joseph I believe was Yossel, I went on on JewishGen the link you sent me didn't work so I went to Jewishgen research + typed in Krakofsky/krakowski found a few in the cemetries, but didnet recognize anyone. Joseph went to visit Poland (about 20 years ago approx.) and told his son Brian that all his family had been killed during the holocaust! So I'm not sure who I'm looking for other than Barnet Krakofsky + Fanny Barnet even with these names the Barnet strikes me as odd.
Joe changed his name to Bennett in 1945 he used to live in Hammersmith then moved to Hastings where he had an hotel, I think they lived in Leyton for awhile too.
Thanks
Ladylil
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My Grandfather was told that all his family had died in the holocaust but it wasnt until after he married in England the 1950's that he found out some were still alive.
I am sure you can find records of the holocaust vicitims
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-11-19-holocaust-papers_x.htm
try contacting Bad Arolsen
they take some time to reply but they will reply.
there is a link in the article above (on the left)
and you could also try this place
http://www.holocaustcenter.org/index.php?Itemid=10023&id=74&option=com_content&task=view
Barnet doesnt seem that strange i think though it was anglicised and this could prove a little probmatic, you would need to find the name before it was anglicised then your search should fly.
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http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/yampol/yam900.html
:)
Just managed to log on to this site I found Abraham Karpin possibly Fanny's father.
I'll have to check my geography any hints?
Thanks
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Baryluk was americanized to Barnett I found on someones tree, just going back to try and find out some more.
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if you get the naturalistaion docs tha Deb found it should give you more clues to where they came from and also maybe parents names etc but i amnot sure what information is held in them as my grandfather wasnt naturalised as it was expensive.
do you already know Yossel and Fanny parentage then?
if you tell us everything you know it might help us trace them for you.
with regards to geography i use google maps, my granfather came from lvov (i was orginally told Kiev) in the ukraine but this is very near the polish border and with broder changes etc it is now thought that his parents were in fact polish , also with the surname is much more polish than ukrainian.
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i think its Yampil Ukraine
Baranick sounds like Barnett
dont you think - with an accent
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I haven't any data for Fanny + Barnett's parents but here are their children =Jacob (Jack) Krakofsky changed his name to Kendall. Born approx. 1908
Worked as a research chemist for Ilford films invented the infra red.
Samual b. 1909 approx Warsaw Poland.
Harry b. 1906 approx. He had 2 greyhounds, one that ran fast and one that didn't.
Hope this may be of use.
Ladylil
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Love that last bit Ladylil..............two greyhounds - one that ran fast and one that didn't............brilliant ;D ;D
Barbara
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Hi all
1911
Hackney
Crackowski , Barnet , male, b 1888, 23
When did Fanny and Barnet get married?
deb
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It's very strange ...I can't see Fanny or the children in 1911 .... I was hoping that maybe a relative was staying with them. :-\
Fanny had Joseph early 1912 ...so I am assuming they were there. Can only see Barnet in 1911......
deb
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ooo Possibles for 1911
These are the people in the same household as a JOE KRAKOWSKI b 1903
1911
KRAKOWSKI
St Georges in the East
Ada b 1907
Henry 1869
Leah 1895
Lewis 1905
Morris 1901
Nathan 1898
Rachel 1893
Sarah 1871
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Hi,
I'm sorry I don't know when they got married!
Joseph their son quit the jewish faith when he m. Rose King a sunday school teacher, I beieve his family disowned him., that's probably why I haven't much on them.
Thanks for helping
Ladylil
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hi again
Not sure of any of this but thought I would post ...
found this family in 1891..wonder if they are related in any way ..I noted that Barnet's dad Jacob, b 1868 was a TAILOR.
They have been transcribed as Krakafskie
1891 St Georges in the east
39 Longdale St
Dora KRAKOFSKI head wid 41 living on own means b Isthitz? Russia
Fanny daun 17 tailoress b ditto, deaf & dumb
Isaac son 17 Tailor b Ditto Deaf & dumb
deb
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Thanks for posting, I think I've come across this family before, unfortunately I lost my data on a computer crash a few years ago, I'll see if I can dig any thing out on the various genealogy sites that I've subscribed to in the past.
I haven't come across any tailors in the family yet. In France they teach their students to say my tailor is rich" never thought about it being a reference to jewish tailors but possible, or maybe its a joke about the french chic! Just a thought.
Ladylil
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hi
Barnet's dad, Jacob was a tailor in the 1891 census.
Maybe we should post the details in 1891 and 1901 for Barnet's family
deb :)
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Sorry, but I think they left Poland around 1907 not sure, but remember Joe saying to his son that he was born 1912 in England but his elder brothers + think a sister were born in Warsaw!
I was hoping to find out something on the 1911 census.
Regards
Ladylil
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Ladylil
eeekkk now I'm confused ...are you saying Barnet's (b 1888 Warsaw) parents were not Jacob and Rebecca?
On the thread that you posted on page 1 , Barnet had been found with siblings and parents in the 1891 and 1901.
deb ..off to reread LOL ;D
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if Samuel was b. 1909 Warsaw and then Joseph was born in 1912 England they obviously came to the UK between these times
Joe was natuarlised in 1919 (see Jendors reply) at which point they were in Manchester
i would think that this document would be useful
have you searched under the variant of Cracowski
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Hi all
1911
Hackney
Crackowski , Barnet , male, b 1888, 23
deb
It seems that Barnet , the father was in England by 1911 ..see above. Maybe Fanny and Samuel came over later , as I cannot find them on the 1911 census.
deb
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I'm a bit confused too Deb, that's why I posted the info about Jacob the tailor as thought that was Barnets dad/Josephs grandfather ??? have I got it all confused? ;D
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it looks to me like
Joseph & Fanny married in Poland
Joseph came to the UK between 1909 and 1911 (Deb found on census)
Sometime after the 1911 census Joseph was joined by his wife fanny and elder children
with another son Joseph being born in 1912
maybe it is from this that Fannys maiden name became known
Jwendor seems to have found Josephs naturalisation in 1919 by that time they were residing in Manchester
maybe Movinghere.org will help with their immigration details
i think the naturalisation documents may yeild more clues to Joseph past
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Hi Toni, the naturalisation papers are for Barnet
What's confused me is that another conversation is refered to in the first post and on that conversation there's a Barnet with parents Jacob and Rachel in the 1891 census and LadyLil has replied saying that Barnet is her G Grandfather...
I've probably just got the wrong end of the stick! ??? ;D
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Hi Guys :)
okay info from other thread
1901 RG13/300 34 12
London
Rebecca Cracowski mar 35 charwoman b Poland
BARNETT 13 b Poland..... he marries Fanny Karpin
leah 10
Annie 8
Woolf 7 ...think he dies young
Jane 5
1891 RG12/276 36 22
Spitalfields
Jacob Cracouski 23 TAILOR
Rebecca 24
Barnet 3
Leah 9 months b Spitalfields
1911
Hackney
Crackowski , Barnet , male, b 1888, 23
By 1911 Barnet is in Hackney , No sign of Fanny (nee Karpin) or Samuel b Poland ... Fanny has JOSEPH in mar q 1912 in England.
Joseph b 1912 is the one who changed their surname and married Rose King
so we have
Jacob the tailor = Rebecca ??
They have Barnet in 1888 in Poland
Barnett marries Fanny Karpin has children in Poland ...by 1911 he is in UK
they have Joseph 1912 = Rosa King
deb ...hoping this is correct :-\
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where was Jacob born?
sorry i got confused with Joseph / Yosel and Barnet but if the naturalistaion papers are for Barne then these woul dbe worth getting.
Barnet was born poland but in England in 1891 & 1901 & 1911 but in betwixt these times he went back to poland where he seems to0 have married Fanny karpin and had children before returning to england Fanny seems to have come to England aftr the 1911 census but before Joseph was b. in Q2 1912
so i suggest looking at the Movinghere.org website to see if they have records of Barnets journerys and fannys passage into the UK
with regards to Rebecca & Jacob, where was Jacob born? Poland too?
maybe there is a marriage for them in England or in Poland but they seem to have had their children in Poland to begin with and then in England so i would suggest they married in Poland
again movinghere might record their passage to England
and leahs birth cert in spitalfields would show Rebeccas maiden name
Jewsh, tailor, Polish wasn't there a distrcit in London where these type of people set up home?
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I think it was Spitalfields and then Brick Lane. Certainly there is a long history of textile work there - but whether it is more manufacturing cloth rather than making cloth into clothes, I couldn't say.
Golders Green is also historically a Jewish area (and coincedentally, it is in the Borough of Barnet.......!!)
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Hi all
back again :) adding POB
1901 RG13/300 34 12
London
Rebecca Cracowski mar 35 charwoman b Poland
BARNETT son at school 13 b Poland..... he marries Fanny Karpin
leah 10................ b London
Annie 8...................b London
Woolf 7 ...b London
Jane 5...............b London
They were living in the Parliamentary Borough of Whitechapel Division of the Borough of the Jewish Hamlets. ...52 Gunn Street
Civil Parish = The Liberty of the Old Artillery Ground
Municipal Borough = Stepney
1891 RG12/276 36 22
Spitalfields
Jacob Cracouski 23 TAILOR........... b Russia
Rebecca 24....................b Russia
Barnet 3....................b Russia
Leah 9 months b Spitalfields
.............. living in same area as 1901 but in Spelman street
possible birth registrations
Annie Krakofsky
Mar q 1893
Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex
1c 479
uummmm
Woolf Chokofsky
Sept q 1895
Mile End Old Town London
1c 511
deb
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Ladylil can you tell us what you need now please, i think Annies birth cert will tell us rebeccas maiden name
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Oohhh! Mum got me World membership on Ancestry today, I do love my mum ;D and found this, so looks like they were in the U.S. for a bit
Philadelphia Passenger Lists
List of vessels arriving in Philadelphia
S.S. Southwark sailing from Liverpool, June 1894 arriving at the port of Philadelphia 23rd June 1894
Details for all are...
Rebecca Krakowsky, 26, F, Mar, Wife, Russian, Last Residence - London, landing in Philae., destination New York, joining husband, never been in prison or supported by charity
Barnetts details are the same except..
Barnett Krakowsky, 4y 6m, M, Single, Child, joining Joe Krakowsky - 191 Rimmington? St New york
and the other children as Barnett except...
Leah Krakowsky, 2y 6m, F, Single, Child
Annie Krakowsky, 1y 6m, F, Single, Child
Woolf Krakowsky, infant, M, Single, Child
Jen
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wow
i didnt' relaise you need that
i thought you were looking for their passage from Poland to England and there ancestors in Poland
but great going
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It could have been there before when I just had UK membership but I didn't see it!? I get so cranky with their new search system!!!
mum got it 'cos we are trying to find where my gran disappeared to!
...so even though it's not them coming into the UK, it's interesting to know they went over there for a while and Jacob must have gone before them?
Jen ;D
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Hi everyone,
Sorry I haven't been on here these last few days we were hit by gale force winds, I've no electricity or water, my son has put his generator on so I can use my computer for a short while.
I never realized the Krakofsky's went to Philadelphia how can I be sure if its the same family?
Thanks to everyone who has helped me search.
Hope to find Joseph/Yosssel deed poll name change to Bennett, to know for sure who the grandparents were.
Better turn the generator off.
Ladylil
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if Samuel was b. 1909 Warsaw and then Joseph was born in 1912 England they obviously came to the UK between these times
Joe was natuarlised in 1919 (see Jendors reply) at which point they were in Manchester
i would think that this document would be useful
have you searched under the variant of Cracowski
Yes I have
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Well, the names all tie up, dates of birth, being Russian (I know Polish comes in as well but!?) passage from the UK, as someone who is very skeptical I'd be fairly convinced it was them, not 100% but close... Am trying to find Joe on an earlier boat... If it is your family Jacob must have been known as Joe at some point I suppose?
Sorry to hear of your troubles, I was without electric and hence gas/heating from yesterday morning until this afternoon because my meter went kranky, being a Sunday they wouldn't send an engineer so had to wait and go by candle last night, you forget how much you rely on it! Hope you get it sorted soon.
Jen :D
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Deed Poll name changes are in series J18 of the National Archives but don't seem to be online, aka searchable so will need to be checked there... you seem to have exact dates for the deed poll name change how did you get those?
If I am reading your reply correctly, you want to make sure your Joseph is definately the son of the Barnett we've all found who is the son of Jacob and Rebecca? If so I think you need to bite the bullet and go for one of the naturalisation documents.
If money is tight and to don't want to risk it (the one I got was spot on their 10 pages, inclusive for digital records) you can email the National archives first with all the info, give them the reference I found and the one Deb did, plus all the other info you have and they will advise you on the best way to go, they will tell you how many documents/pages there are and you can go from there...
Jen
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Thanks so much for all your help, I will try and get the naturalisation paper, as for the name change to Bennett, I know he changed his name to Bennett in 1945 as my kids father was born in the end of 1945 and he asked me if I'd prefer the name Krakofsky which I didn't to complicated to spell.
Well I'll have to hang on for a bit, once I have the electricity and telephone back on things will be so much easier, I've been told it'll be back on Sunday.
Ladylil
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It's that time again and here's this weeks Scavenger Hunt.......I think you'll like this one, it's a bit of a challenge.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,356289.0.html
Good Luck and Good Hunting.
As usual this Hunt will remain open for any further information which may come in.
Barbara
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Deed Poll name changes are in series J18 of the National Archives but don't seem to be online, aka searchable so will need to be checked there... you seem to have exact dates for the deed poll name change how did you get those?
If I am reading your reply correctly, you want to make sure your Joseph is definately the son of the Barnett we've all found who is the son of Jacob and Rebecca? If so I think you need to bite the bullet and go for one of the naturalisation documents.
If money is tight and to don't want to risk it (the one I got was spot on their 10 pages, inclusive for digital records) you can email the National archives first with all the info, give them the reference I found and the one Deb did, plus all the other info you have and they will advise you on the best way to go, they will tell you how many documents/pages there are and you can go from there...
Jen
Hi,
Sorry to have taken so long, we've only just got back to normal!
I've a photocopy of the deed poll where Joseph changes his name to Bennett the 9/10/1945 his then address was given as 40 Sutton Court Rd Chiswick, in the county of London, costing Clerk a natural born British subject.
I also have the copy of birth certificate issued for the purpose of Friendly Societies act, registration district Mile End old town, 1912 Birth in the sub district of Mile Old Town South Western, London profession of father (Barnett) given as walking stick maker (journeyman) living at 11 Ernest st.
Regars
Ladylil
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Hi
Here's one more from National Archives
Home Office: Registered Papers, Supplementary HO 144/12813
Nationality and Naturalisation: Krakofsky (or Kracofski), Herschl (or Harry Barnett), from Russia. Resident in London. Certificate 18890 issued 29 October 1930. from Date: 1930.
deb :)
Do you have access to this paper, I seem to remember a Harry, shame I can't get in touch with my kids Dad his phone's still down.
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Hi Guys :)
okay info from other thread
1901 RG13/300 34 12
London
Rebecca Cracowski mar 35 charwoman b Poland
BARNETT 13 b Poland..... he marries Fanny Karpin
leah 10
Annie 8
Woolf 7 ...think he dies young
Jane 5
1891 RG12/276 36 22
Spitalfields
Jacob Cracouski 23 TAILOR
Rebecca 24
Barnet 3
Leah 9 months b Spitalfields
1911
Hackney
Crackowski , Barnet , male, b 1888, 23
By 1911 Barnet is in Hackney , No sign of Fanny (nee Karpin) or Samuel b Poland ... Fanny has JOSEPH in mar q 1912 in England.
Joseph b 1912 is the one who changed their surname and married Rose King
so we have
Jacob the tailor = Rebecca ??
They have Barnet in 1888 in Poland
Barnett marries Fanny Karpin has children in Poland ...by 1911 he is in UK
they have Joseph 1912 = Rosa King
deb ...hoping this is correct :-\
Blimey ... this is my family!!!
Rebecca Cracowski was married to Jacob. He left her, so the story goes, to try his luck in the States. Rebecca died in 1908 aged 41, having been ill for 2 years (I have the death cert). Her children were placed in an orphanage in South Norwood. In 1920 Jacob Cracowski is listed as "deceased" on his daughter, Annie's, marriage certificate. Rebecca Cracowski is buried in a Jewish cemetery in Manor Park (photos available).
The children are Barnett (I have a wonderful photo of him), Lily, Annie (my grandmother), Woolfie (who my father knew well ... complete with family!!) and Janey/Jenny/Ginny (she was known as Aunt Janey). I have lots of photos of this family that I'm more than happy to share. Barnett, as far as I am aware, married in a church in the Manchester/Stockport area and had two daughters.
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Brilliant stuff Carol....and a warm welcome to Rootschat.........another family got together through the Scavenger Hunts.
I'm sure Ladylil will be over the moon.
Barbara
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Thanks for the warm welcome. This hasn't been the easiest of surnames to research!!
Btw, for those searching the Cracowski/Krakofsky/Krakowski and variants surname, my Dad said that when the family came to this country they could not speak English and were given the surname "Cracowski" to show that they had come from Cracow.
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Hi everyone,
This is brilliant news! Funny enough I've already had contact with Carol, we concluded that they were't the same family, very intiguing! I'll have to through my correspondence to remember all the details.
My beautiful grandaughter has successfully hidden my glasses, so bear with me while I'm trying to read with a very old pair of spectacles!
Jacob left Rebeccah, no wonder it was hard to work out, well done!
Be back later.
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Do you have Rebeccca's death certificate/photo of her grave or any other information about her? I can supply the first two. :)
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No; I'm afraid not!
Ive only a copie for Joseph Krakofsky; Rebecca's grandson!
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Do you know the names of Barnett's children? As far as I am aware, he had two daughters, Joyce born 1920 in Stockport and ? Barnett died when Joyce was quite young.
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Thanks for the warm welcome. This hasn't been the easiest of surnames to research!!
Btw, for those searching the Cracowski/Krakofsky/Krakowski and variants surname, my Dad said that when the family came to this country they could not speak English and were given the surname "Cracowski" to show that they had come from Cracow.
Logical when you think of it isn't it!!! ;D ;D
Barbara
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Yes, I suppose it is!
If husbands left their wives or were bigamist's it becomes even more confusing!
In such difficult times everything surely comes down to survival.
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Oohhh! Mum got me World membership on Ancestry today, I do love my mum ;D and found this, so looks like they were in the U.S. for a bit
Philadelphia Passenger Lists
List of vessels arriving in Philadelphia
S.S. Southwark sailing from Liverpool, June 1894 arriving at the port of Philadelphia 23rd June 1894
Details for all are...
Rebecca Krakowsky, 26, F, Mar, Wife, Russian, Last Residence - London, landing in Philae., destination New York, joining husband, never been in prison or supported by charity
Barnetts details are the same except..
Barnett Krakowsky, 4y 6m, M, Single, Child, joining Joe Krakowsky - 191 Rimmington? St New york
and the other children as Barnett except...
Leah Krakowsky, 2y 6m, F, Single, Child
Annie Krakowsky, 1y 6m, F, Single, Child
Woolf Krakowsky, infant, M, Single, Child
Jen
Have just seen this .... and Annie Krakowsky is my grandmother. I had no idea that her family had travelled to the USA. They couldn't have been there long though, as she had a younger sister, named Jane, who was born in England in the Mile End, London area and they are listed in the 1901 Census. Btw, someone previously mentioned in this thread that Woolf died young - he didn't (got married, had children!).
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Sorry, meant to say too, if anyone is researching this family still, please get in touch as I have photos of the family.
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Sorry, meant to say too, if anyone is researching this family still, please get in touch as I have photos of the family.
Hi, I'd love to see your photo's! Would love to see if I can see a resemblence between Barnet + his son Joseph!
It's been very confusing looking up this side of the family, although very interesting from a historical point of view.
Cheers
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My Barnett Cracowski had two daughters .... and no sons!