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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex Lookup Requests => Essex => England => Essex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: ridban on Sunday 18 January 09 17:58 GMT (UK)
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Ellen Read married Leonard Thomas Steele on 7.2.1910 in Tottenham, Mddx. She gave her age as 23, and the father column was - horror of horrors - blank!
Witness was Edith Read
I've waited patiently for the 1911, where she gave her place of birth as Harlow, Essex, which is Epping District, according to Free BMD, which has the Following:
Births Dec 1886
Read Ellen Epping 4a 306
Births Sep 1888
READ Ellen Louise W Ham 4a 138
Births Dec 1888
READ Ellen Epping 4a 308
Question is,, how do I know which is her, without a father's name?
There is no Ellen Read who gives her place of birth as Harlow in the 1901.
Any suggestions please to help me pin Ellen Down?
Thanks so much Linda
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ask the gro which do not have a father?
edith might be a sister to the bride?
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Have you found her in 1891/1901 with mother and/or perhaps sister named Edith?
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Hi
It is possible that Ellen was illegitimate. Or, as in a case with my ancestor, the father was dead and the column left blank even when she was born in wedlock.
Ben
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i think u can view the certs before u buy in London...
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Hi Xinia
I would be very interested to know where you can view certs in London, I have been at this lark for years and I have never known that, you can look at the registers for the reference to order in London, well you could but it has now moved to Kew
Louisa Maud
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hello,
I am not sure but I know my daughter went down to what used to be 'Somerset house' and was able to view before buying! Surely somebody on here will Know ... it needs a new topic - to find out.
I should give it a go on the general board.
hope I havent lead u up the wrong alley.....!!!!!
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I hope others have an input into this as I would love to know, would have saved me hours of searching and spending money on certs, I am sure if we could just view most of us wouldn't buy, all we would need is a pen and paper.
I do feel perhaps your daughter just went along and looked in the ledgers, took the info and ordered the cert, it is a long time since birth death and marriages were at Somerset house I think, it was St Catherine's house, then moved to the Family research centre off Exmouth St London, it has now closed and all records relating to this have been transfered to Kew Archives.
The London Metropolitan Archives are still in London, almost round the corner from the FRC where you can look at almost anything within the London area and some south of the river including parish registers.
Don't worry about leading me up the wrong alley, just makes me think a bit more !!!
Louisa Maud
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Hello, Xinia,
It is possible to see some certs on film at the London Metropolitan Archives covering Greater London & the Guildhall Library for the Cityof London, but the GRO vol & page numbers are of no use for these. For marriages you would need to know the church & the exact date, for instance, you may know from the GRO entry that the marriage took place in a certain quarter of the year, that means you will have to trawl tho' 3 months before you will find what you are looking for.
BMD records were moved from Somerset House certainly more than 25 years ago to St Catharine's House & then to the Family Record centre which has now been closed with all records now at the National Archives at Kew.
Meliora
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Thanks Meliora,
I knew someone knowledgeable would come up with a reply, must admit I never knew about Guild Hall, one lives and learns doesn't one !!
Louisa Maud
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Yes, L M ,
It must have been about 15 years ago I had a marriage that I was doubtful about, didn't feel like risking buying the cert. but I did know the church, St Giles Cripplegate whose records are at the Guildhall Library. Called in there & in a few moments had looked at the film & printed off a copy for the princely sum of 10p (well it was a long time ago), I think the GRO price at that time was about £5.50 or £6 per cert.
The cert. confirmed what info I had hoped for , that it was the marriage between my grgrandparents in 1879 aged 58 & 57, after having had 7 children between 1842 & 1858, including tripletes in 1848.. Grgrandpa finally made an "honest woman" of grandma.
Meliora
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Undoubtedly anyone can see microfiche or microfilm copies of the entries made in any marriage registers deposited by churches at the relevant Record Office. Copies can be made yourself for about 50p and not the £7 charged by GRO. But success depends on knowing which church you need to search which may not be easily ascertainable.
I do not know of any route by which birth or death certificates can be obtained except through GRO
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Oh dear, I am so out of touch... where does time go.....
but at least the replies are great and show the right way to go.
xin