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Please could I ask if anybody could look up a baptism of Susan Anscombe or Ancombe of Cuckfield, Sussex. By my calculations she was born 3 Jan 1817.
And also if possible whether there is a baptism of a Frederick Dancy born about 1809 in Cuckfield or Lindfield or possibly at Finches Farm Lindfield.
Many thanks and in hope,
Penny
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The last Anscombe in Cuckfield died only a few years ago. They are a well known family in the area. Cuckfield Museum has recently had a display about them so has quite a bit of information if you are near enough to visit. Currently closed until Feb 14th though. I will check on the baptism later today. Off out to get marmalade oranges now!
Andrea
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Hi
I searched from 1813 to 1828.
There are two Anscombe families having children baptised in Cuckfield at that time at holy trinity Church.
Joseph, who is a Carpenter, with wife Elizabeth and John, a labourer with wife Sarah.
You can see all their daughters by looking at batch number C024337 on the IGI at www.familysearch.org
The sons for Joseph and Elizabeth are
1813 Sep 19 Edwin
1818 Sep 15 Joseph
1825 May 1 son (no name)
1818 June 1 Parker
and for John and Sarah
1817 Dec 28 Joseph
You will see from the IGI that the only Susan in the register is a daughter of John and Sarah who is baptised in 1822. This does not fit with your birth date unless she was quite old at baptisn and the vicar usually noted the age if that was the case. I see there is a marriage in Slaugham for John Anscombe to Sarah Tomsett in 1799.
Joseph and Elizabeth Parker married in Cuckfield in 1812.
Where did you get Susan's birth date from?
My copy of the register starts at 1813 so I could not look for Frederick Dancy - again it is a common name in Cuckfield and we have had several people into the museum researching it.
Andrea
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Burial 1825 May 24th
Myrtellis son of Joseph and Elizabeth Anscombe (Carpenter) age 6 weeks
Andrea
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Hi
I searched from 1813 to 1828.
There are two Anscombe families having children baptised in Cuckfield at that time at holy trinity Church.
Joseph, who is a Carpenter, with wife Elizabeth and John, a labourer with wife Sarah.
You can see all their daughters by looking at batch number C024337 on the IGI at www.familysearch.org
The sons for Joseph and Elizabeth are
1813 Sep 19 Edwin
1818 Sep 15 Joseph
1825 May 1 son (no name)
1818 June 1 Parker
and for John and Sarah
1817 Dec 28 Joseph
You will see from the IGI that the only Susan in the register is a daughter of John and Sarah who is baptised in 1822. This does not fit with your birth date unless she was quite old at baptisn and the vicar usually noted the age if that was the case. I see there is a marriage in Slaugham for John Anscombe to Sarah Tomsett in 1799.
Joseph and Elizabeth Parker married in Cuckfield in 1812.
Where did you get Susan's birth date from?
My copy of the register starts at 1813 so I could not look for Frederick Dancy - again it is a common name in Cuckfield and we have had several people into the museum researching it.
Andrea
Hi Andrea,
Thank you very much for looking and trying to find an answer.
In Cuckfield in 1841 the only Susan Anscombe that it seems was ordinarily baptised in Cuckfield, the daughter of John and Sarah) had got married to an Edward Tullet (marriage registered Q2 1841 Cuckfield and these 4 were all enumerated together;
1841 in Cuckfield, all born in Sussex
John Anscombe 63, Ag Lab
Sarah Anscombe 60
Edward Tullett 20, Ag Lab
Susan Tullett 20
My Susan Anscombe had got married to Jesse Dancy and they had their first child by 1838 and they had both emigrated to the USA. They lived at Pittsford, Monroe, New York and then Perinton, Monroe, NY.
The evidence I have that Jesse Dancy's wife's surname was "Ancombe" was from the marriage record of their son William Dancy.
I know Jesse Dancy or his father came from Sydney Farm, Lindfield/Cuckfield due to the deaths of his siblings being recorded in the Burial records of Horsham Baptist Church [in West Sussex, England] :
Hannah dau of Joseph and Phoebe Dancy of Sidney, age 16, died June 1st 1820, buried 7th June 1820.
And, Daniel son of Joseph and Phoebe Dancy of Sidney, age 10 years 8 months, died June 10th Jun 1825, buried 16th June 1825." The names of these siblings of Jesse's tally in with all the children that are found in another individual record on the IGI for the children of Joseph Dancy and Phoebe.
The indication I got of Susan Anscombe's birthplace was that it was entered as Cuckfield in an individual family record on the IGI, which of course could be erroneous, found by seeking Jesse Dancy with Susan and looking at North American records.
I got Susan's approximate date of birth from the following website where it recorded the transcript of the words on her gravestone at Greenvale Rural Cemetery, East Church Street, Fairport, Monroe County, New York, USA. It explained she died on 6 May 1880, aged 63 years 3 months and 5 days, so d.o.b calculated from that.
http://mcnygenealogy.com/cem/greenval.htm
Found nothing after obtaining a copy of the Story of the Free Christian Church, Horsham by Emily Kensett.
I'm a bit stumped now! If anyone can think of any other ideas, these are welcome!
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If the farm is in Cuckfield then it will be Sidnye - just north of the village out on the road to Balcombe.
There is no marriage for a Jesse Dancy on the Sussex Marriage Index. Did they marry here or in the USA?
Horsham is really not near enough to Cuckfield or Lindfield for them to worship regularly at a church there. It is around 30 minutes in a car now. Why do you think the Sidney is at Cuckfield or Lindfield?
This is puzzling!
Andrea
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Hi again
The marriage of Joseph Dancy and Phoebe Croucher took place in Cuckfield but he is "of Worth". I expect you know that. Worth is to the north of Cuckfield - about 10 - 15 minutes by car.
Andrea
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East Sussex Land Tax 1785
Cuckfield
Owner: Mr Michael Chatfeild
Occupier: John Dancy
Lands: Sidney
Rental: £69
Sean
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Owner: Francis Sergison esq
Occupier: John Anscombe
Lands: Winpenny's Croft
Rental: £3
Owner: Frances Budd
Occupier: John Anscombe
Lands: The Highlands
Rental: £13
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Worth
Owner: Francis Sergison Esq
Occupier: John Dancy
Lands: Hogshill
Rental: £41
Owner: Rev George Bethune
Occupier: Joseph Dancy
Lands: His House
Rental: £1
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East Sussex Land Tax 1785
Cuckfield
Owner: Mr Michael Chatfeild
Occupier: John Dancy
Lands: Sidney
Rental: £69
Sean
Thanks Sean, yes this was Jesse Dancy's grandfather who died about 1800 (buried Ditchling)
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Worth
Owner: Francis Sergison Esq
Occupier: John Dancy
Lands: Hogshill
Rental: £41
Owner: Rev George Bethune
Occupier: Joseph Dancy
Lands: His House
Rental: £1
Thanks again Swebby
Was there stated any specific period in time for the above rents?
Story with the John of Hogshill - he was Jesse Dancy's uncle;
1787: (re this John or his father?) Historical Newspapers > Daily Universal Register (London, Middlesex, England) 1787 December 5
Country News [Section]
Lewes, Dec 3.
... One evening a few days since, as Mr John Dancey, a farmer, near Crawley, in this county, was on his return home from Ryegate market, he was stopped by a single "footpad" (sootpad?), who demanded his money, and robbed him of about ten pounds in cash, which Mr Dancey delivered to him without the least resistance or hesitation. he had some Bank notes about him, the the villain fortunately did not demand his pocket book which contained them.
the letter-cafe, containing the Bank notes stolen out of the hose of Mr Tickbon[?], at Hertimonceux, as mentioned in a former paper, we are informed, was on Monday last found in a field not far from the house, with all the bills in it. except the on of "40!." which have been since returned to the owner. It is thought the cafe had not lain many hours before it was taken up, as it was perfectly clean and dry.
Rec'd 1780, Ditchling Trustee 1790
Details of 4 of his children's baptisms from Horsham Baptists records on IGI.
1811 his son Henry Nehemia Dancy is the only one of his children whose baptism is available on IGI. (Could no longer find that at April 08)
1814 a John Dancy nephew of Sarah Dancy (ref the will of Sarah Dancy of Croydon) described as John Dancy of Crawley.
John of Hogs Hill Farm, Worth till 1817:
1817 by special court John Dancy granted the tenancy of Clearwaters Farm, Wivelsfield.
1818 &1828 Land taxes John Dancy owner / occupier of Clearwaters Farm.
1830 Death of John Dancy
1839 Tithe Map and Schedule - Nehemiah Dancy owner of Clearwaters - occupier James Dancy.
The Times 11 March 1817 London, MDX:
Crawley and Cuckfield, Sussex. - By Messrs. BASSWTT and Co.
At Garroway's on Thursday, the 17th of April next, at 12,
A FREEHOLD FARM, called Hogshill, comprising
A farm-house and all necessary buildings, and 196 statute acres of land, situated in the parish of Worth, on the east side of the Brighton turnpike road, about one mile south of the town of Crawley, in the occupation of Mr. John Dancy, whose lease expires at Michnelmas, 1818: the estate lies towards the south, possessing various eligible situations for building, and commanding beautiful views of the adjacent country; also a compact Freehold and C--- Title-free Estate, called Peilands,* abounding with game, and having a valuable right of common, desirably situated in the parish of Cuckfield, adjoining the carriage -road from Cuckfield and Lindfield to Lewes, about 4(?) miles from Cuckfield, containing nearly 98 statute acres of arable, meadow, and woodland; the timber and lellers are very thriving on both estates. Further particulars may be known by application to Messrs Medwin and Son, Solicitors, Horsham; Mr. C. Mayhew,9, Holborn-court, Gray's-inn; of Messrs, Bassett and Co. land surveyors, 35 Arundel-street, Strand.
Hogs hill Farm, (Sergison and Sugden families) [no ref.] 1817
Conveyance (lease and release), in consideration of £2,410 Add Mss 28,480-28,481 14,15 August 1817
These documents are held at West Sussex Record Office
Contents: From (a) Thomas Athorpe of Old Windsor, co. Berks., esq. and John Thoyts of Maidenhead, co. Berks., esq., with the consent of
(b) The Reverend William Sergison of Cuckfield Place, clerk, and Ann his wife, to
(c) Edward Burtenshaw Sugden of Tilgate Forest Lodge, and of Lincolns Inn, co. Middlesex, esq
Messuage or farm, with all buildings, barns, stables, yards, gardens, commons, rights of common, and lands belonging thereto, called Hogs hill Farm in Worth (169a.1r.32p.), formerly in occupation of Calvert Bristow, since of John Ewins, and later of John Dancy
Recites
(i) 8 December 1806. Will of Warden Sergison of Cuckfield Place, esq., whereby the manor and forest of Tilgate and all other his estates in Sussex were devised unto the Reverend Sir Henry Poole, bart., the said Thomas Athorpe, and the said John Thoyts upon certain trusts, with power of sale to the said trustees should his residuary personal estate be insufficient for the discharge of his debts, funeral expenses, and legacies
(ii) That the said Thomas Athorpe and John Thoyts, the remaining executors of the said Will, for the purpose of raising money to pay the debts of the said testator, had contracted to sell the abovesaid property to the said Edward Burtenshaw Sugden
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If the farm is in Cuckfield then it will be Sidnye - just north of the village out on the road to Balcombe.
There is no marriage for a Jesse Dancy on the Sussex Marriage Index. Did they marry here or in the USA?
Horsham is really not near enough to Cuckfield or Lindfield for them to worship regularly at a church there. It is around 30 minutes in a car now. Why do you think the Sidney is at Cuckfield or Lindfield?
This is puzzling!
Andrea
Sorry Andrea,
Jesse Dancy married Susan Ancombe? about 1837 in Monroe New York although I have not been able to find the marriage yet because accessing records in the USA is not as straight forward as most would like although I did find their childrens' marriages.
I'm a little puzzled as to where Sidnye farm is - I connect it with it being near Cuckfield - I dont know if I'm correct in my knowledge!
I found records showing Daniel and Hannah, Jesse's siblings were buried in Horsham Bapists grounds.
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Was there stated any specific period in time for the above rents?
Just 1785.
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I am not good at putting links for maps but if you get onto a modern map and follow the B2036 road out of Cuckfield to the north Sidnye farm is on the left about a mile out towards Balcombe. Pilstye farm is next to it.
Cuckfield has a Baptist church and they hold their own records so it may be worth contacting them to see if the family worshipped there. http://www.cuckfieldbaptistchurch.co.uk/
Cuckfield Parish covered an extremely wide area so any reference to it could simply mean that someone came from a village within it rather than from Cuckfield village itself.
Andrea
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Was there stated any specific period in time for the above rents?
Just 1785.
Thanks again Sean,
Penny
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My family, the Michell's who owned the Manor of Cuckfield (a descendant of the original owner of the Manor, Gilbert III de Aquila of the Honor and Barony of Pevensey) from the 13th cent, which includes a farm mention by yourselves, "Sidnye Farm". If l can give assistance in your search please contact my Email address - (*)
Sidye Farm was built & owned by the Michell's from the 13th cent. - 17th cent. They owned most of the Manor at that time, the Burrell's were off a later date.
Comt'e Iohn de Mychelham [Earl de Michel] - Wayne Quinnell
(Honor and Barony of Pevensey - Lords of the Land of the Eagle)
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