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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: sheiljoy on Thursday 15 January 09 23:25 GMT (UK)
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Hi All
I am trying to find the marriage of Betty L Ley born 1915 in Wales and her sister Peggy E Ley born 1917 also in Wales.
They emigrated to Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania around 1928
Any information would be much appreciated on how I can go about this
Sheila
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I found Betty, Peggy, their mother, and their siblings on a passenger list for the Aquitania arriving New York 15 Mar 1927 from Southampton. I also found them on the 1930 Census, if you need that information.
Do you have any information about when/where/who they might have married? Any information about what happened to their parents or siblings?
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Thanks for getting back to me with the info you have found, if I could have the 1930 census details I would be very grateful
I do know that they ended up living in Wilkes-Barre Pennsylvania, which could come under Luzerne, sorry I am a little vague with all this but it is all I know. All I have is a photo of a chap with my Gran in about the early 1950's and the name on the back is Eddie Sylvan, which for years I took 'Sylvan'as being his surname but have found family births in Wales for 'Sylvan' Idris Ley and Stafford as a Christian name too
Thanks for you time though it is very much appreciated
Sheila
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1930 Census, Wilkes-Barre, Luzerne Co., Pennsylvania, 22 South Sherman Street
Ley, Robert J., head, rents home for $55, owns radio set, does not live on a farm, male, white, age 48, married, age at 1st marriage - 18, b. Wales, parents b. Wales, immigrated 1925, papers filed for naturalization, occupation - coal miner, not a veteran
wife Amelia, female, white, age 49, married, age at 1st marriage - 19, b. Wales, parents b. Wales, immigrated 1926, papers filed for naturalization, no occupation
son Sydney S., male, white, age 24, single, b. Wales, parents b. Wales, immigrated 1926, papers filed for naturalization, occupation - something in a coal mine (looks like trash layer?)
son Ivor M., male, white, age 22, single, b. Wales, parents b. Wales, immigrated 1926, papers filed for naturalization, occupation - coal miner
son Sylvan J., male, white, age 18, single, b. Wales, parents b. Wales, immigrated 1926, papers filed for naturalization, occupation - store manager
daughter Betty L., female, white, age 14, single, attending school, b. Wales, parents b. Wales, immigrated 1926, papers filed for naturalization, no occupation
daughter Peggy J., female, white, age 12, single, attending school, b. Wales, parents b. Wales, immigrated 1926, papers filed for naturalization, no occupation
son William J., male, white, age 29, married, age at 1st marriage - 18, b. Wales, parents b. Wales, immigrated 1926, papers filed for naturalization, occupation - coal miner, not a veteran
grandson Stafford, male, white, age 9, attending school, b. Wales, parents b. Wales, immigrated 1926, papers filed for naturalization, no occupation
grandson Ruskin, male, white, age 8, attending school, b. Wales, parents b. Wales, immigrated 1926, papers filed for naturalization, no occupation
daughter Wilkinson, Annie R., female, white, age 26, married, age at 1st marriage - 26, b. Wales, parents b. Wales, immigrated 1926, papers filed for naturalization, no occupation
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Found this and thought it might be the same Ruskin, although the birth place is a little off in one of them.
Social Security Death Index
Ruskin Ley
Last Residence - Middletown, Middlesex Co., Connecticut, Born 25 Sep. 1921
Died Apr. 1983
SSN issued in Pennsylvania before 1951
Connecticut Death Index, 1949-2001
Ruskin Ley
Died 28 Apr. 1983 in Middletown, Connecticut
Born 25 Sep. 1921 in Canada
Married
Residence - 40 Meadow Brook Rd., Middletown, Connecticut
Race - White
Also, in WWII Enlistment records there is this -
Ruskin Ley
Birth Year - 1921
Race - White, citizen
Nativity Country - Channel Islands or England or Great Britain or Isle of Man or Northern Ireland or Scotland or Wales
Luzerne, Pennsylvania
Enlisted 14 Jun. 1944 in New Cumberland, Pennsylvania
Education - 3 years of high school
Civil Occupation - Machinists Helper
Marital Status - Married
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SS Aquitania from Southampton arriving New York 15 Mar 1927
Ley, Amelia, age 46, married, housewife, born Swansea, Wales, last permanent residence - Nanty Moel, Wales, nearest relative in country from whence she came - sister Annie Rees, Sunny Bank, Bryhavon Terr., Hengoed Glam, going to join husband Robert Ley, 358 (?) E. Market St., Wilkes Barre, Pa., coming permanently, 5'6" tall, medium complexion, brown hair, blue eyes, limp of left leg from thigh
son Ley, William J.R., age 25, male, miner, married, born Swansea, Wales, last permanent residence - Nanty Moel, Wales, 5'8" tall, medium complexion, brown hair, blue eyes
daughter Ley, Annie R., age 23, single, domestic, born Nanty Moel, Wales, last permanent residence - Nanty Moel, Wales, 5'5" tall, medium complexion, brown hair, blue eyes
son Ley, Ivor M., age 19, single, miner, born Nanty Moel, Wales, last permanent residence - Nanty Moel, Wales, 5'6" tall, medium complexion, brown hair, blue eyes
son Ley, Sylvin I., age 15, single, miner, born Nanty Moel, Wales, last permanent residence - Nanty Moel, Wales, 5'6" tall, medium complexion, brown hair, grey eyes
daughter Ley, Betty L., age 11, scholar, born Nanty Moel, Wales, last permanent residence - Nanty Moel, Wales, 4'10" tall, fair complexion, fair hair, blue eyes
daughter, Ley, Peggy E., age 9, scholar, born Nanty Moel, Wales, last permanent residence - Nanty Moel, Wales, 4'5" tall, medium complexion, brown hair, brown eyes
SS Berengaria, sailing from Southampton to New York, arriving 17 Nov. 1928
Ley, Robert J.S., age 8, male, single, scholar, born Nanty Moel, Wales, last permanent residence - Hengoed, Wales, nearest relative in country from whence he came - uncle John Rees, Sunny Bank, Brynavon TCC. Hengoed, going to join father W.J.R. Ley & grandparents, 30 South Sherman St., Wilkes-Barre, Pa., staying permanently, 3 ft. 9 inches tall, fair complexion and hair, brown eyes,
Ley, Ruskin, age 7, male, single, scholar, born Ogmore Vale, Wales, last permanent residence - Hengoed, Wales, nearest relative in country from whence he came - uncle John Rees, Sunny Bank, Brynavon TCC. Hengoed, going to join father W.J.R. Ley & grandparents, 30 South Sherman St., Wilkes-Barre, Pa., staying permanently, 4 ft. 2 inches tall, fair complexion, brown hair and eyes
They appear to be traveling without any relatives.
A possible match -
WWII Draft Registration Card
Robert John Ley
46 N. Thomas St., Kingston, Luzerne, Pa.
Telephone # Kingston 76604
Age 62, born 9 Feb. 1883 in S. Wales
Name of person who will always know his address: Idress Ley, 136 Horton St., Wilkes-Barre
Employer: J.B. Carr, Pennsylvania Ave., Wilkes-Barre
Place of employment: Pennsylvania Ave., Wilkes-Barre
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SS Aquitania, from Southampton to New York arriving 27 Nov. 1925
Ley, Robert J., age 45, male, married, last permanent residence - Nantymoel, Wales, nearest relative in country from whence he came - wife A. Ley, Cemetery House, Nantymoel, in possession of $250, going to join friend Mrs. A. Thomas, Meade Street, Wilkes-Barre, PA, coming permanently, 5'9" tall, fair complexion, grey hair, blue eyes, born Swansea, Wales
Ley, Sidney S., age 20, male, single, miner, last permanent residence - Nantymoel, Wales, nearest relative in country from whence he came - mother Amelia Ley, Cemetery House, Nantymoel, going to join friend Mrs. A. Thomas, Meade Street, Wilkes-Barre, PA, coming permanently, 5'10" tall, fair complexion, brown hair, blue eyes, born Nantymoel, Wales
M.V. Georgic from Liverpool to New York, arriving 30 Aug. 1934
Ley, Sylvin Idris, age 22, male, single, grocer clerk, place of birth - Latymol, Wales, last permanent residence - Wilkesbarre, USA, nearest relative in country from whence he came - Aunt Mrs. Rees, Sunnybank, Bryanavon Terrace, Hengoes South Wales, final destination - Wilkes-Barre, PA, previously in Wilkes-Barre for 8 years, last departed 30/6/1934, going to home at S. Sherman Street, Wilkes-Barre, PA, staying permanently, 5'10", fair complexion, dark brown hair, blue eyes
SS Evangeline, from Nassau, Bahamas 23 Aug. 1950 to New York 26 Aug. 1950
Ley, Sylvin, age 39, male, married, 163 Horton St., Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania, born England, passport from Aug. 1942 from Wilkes Barre, Pa.
Ley, Bertha, age 38, female, married, 163 Horton St., Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania, born Pennsylvania
There was also an 11 year old male with the surname Ley living at the same location, born PA, and traveling with them. Since he's more likely to still be living, I'll leave out his first name.
Social Security Death Index
Stafford Ley
Last Residence & Benefit - Wilkes Barre, Luzerne Co., Pennsylvania
Born 31 May 1920
Died Mar. 1986
SSN issued in Pennsylvania
As far as the marriages go, without any specific information, I suspect you may have to sort of work backwards - for example, if you can find a death of one of their parents or siblings, an obituary may give a married name.
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1930 Census, Wilkes-Barre, Luzerne Co., Pennsylvania, 22 South Sherman Street
son Sydney S., male, white, age 24, single, b. Wales, parents b. Wales, immigrated 1926, papers filed for naturalization, occupation - something in a coal mine (looks like trash layer?)
As usual, it's almost impossible to add more to Shelly's discoveries. But here's my two cents or two pence or two one-hundredths of a euro, given in deference to Sydney's working as a coal miner: His occupation probably was track layer, referring to laying rails to move coal cars in and out of a mine.
Regards,
John :o :o :o
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Hi again, sheiljoy and shelly: On a lark I went MSN and Yahoo and searched for Ley. Found two highly probable descendants. If you want I can PM you the info.
Regards,
John :o :o :o
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Thanks for figuring that one out, John.
A Google search for "Idris Ley" revealed that there is an S. Idris Ley Award at King's College in Wilkes-Barre. Perhaps that's named after your guy or a son of his?
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Hi John
I would appreciate it if you would PM me with the info
Thank YOU so much for your Help very much appreciated
Sheila
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Hi Shelly
You are a star with all the info you have sent me, just got rid of my visitors and now I can peruse at my leisure ;)
Thank YOU so much for all your time and effort in helping me with this one
Sheila
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You're quite welcome.
On findagrave.com, there is an entry for Sydney S. Ley, born 1905 and died 1952, buried in Cedar Crest Cemetery, Trucksville, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania.
I also found Amelia Ley traveling by herself on the SS Majestic from Southampton to New York, arriving 29 Aug. 1933. Her nearest relative was listed as her brother Mr. A. Baxter, 127 Danygraig Rd., Swansea. She was in Pa. from 1927 to 1933 and last left on 3 Jun. 1933. Her home was 26 South Sherman St., Wilkes Barre. There's handwriting that looks something like "Med center - paine from dislocation of hip - which may affect (?) Landing justified."
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A few more possible matches:
Social Security Death Index
Annie R. Wilkinson
Last residence & benefit - Kingston, Luzerne Co., Pennsylvania
Born 25 Nov. 1903
Died Aug. 1995
Soc. Sec. No. issued in Pennsylvania before 1951
On the Queen Elizabeth from Southampton to New York, 20 Jul. 1950
Wilkinson, Alan S., age 49, male, married, 46 N. Thomas Ave., Kingston, Pennsylvania, born Wales
Wilkinson, Annie age 46, female, married, 46 N. Thomas Ave., Kingston, Pennsylvania, born S. Wales
Annie & Alan are also on the Aquitania from Southampton to New York on 5 Aug. 1932. Annie was born Nantymoel and Alan was born Cardiff. Alan was a music teacher. Alan's mother was Ida Wilkinson, 125, High St., Ogmore Vale, Wales. Annie was in Wilkes-Barre from 1927-1932 and Alan was there from 1929-1932. They both last departed on 27 Apr. 1932. They were going to join father-in-law/father Robert J. Ley, 26 So. Sherman St., Wilkes-Barre, Pa.
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Shelly what a lot of information you have given me and I recognise some of the road names and places too, plus how strange that Robert John Ley, when he first emigrated was going to join a friend Mrs A Thomas, 'Thomas' is also a family name but as they have stated friend I suspect that it is all she was and not a relative
I cannot get over the information you have given me, even their height and colour of hair and eyes, wow!!!
So much to go on and all thanks to you
A Big THANKYOU ;D
Sheila
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There's a volunteer on raogk.org who does look-ups for Luzerne Co. in Wilkes-Barre newspapers, so you might want to see if there's an obit for Annie available. If that doesn't pan out, maybe try e-mailing the Kingston, Pa. library, as it looks like she lived there for many years.
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Thanks for that Shelly I will look into it
Sheila
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Hi, just discovered this forum.
My great-grandfather was called John Rees and his wife Annie Rees and they lived at Sunnybank, Brynavon Terrace. In fact my great aunt, Amelia, only died a couple of years ago (their daughter, and a sister to my nan on my father's side).
My nan always talked about her cousin Idris, and his wife Bertha - who she visited quite frequently in Wilkes Barre when she was alive. Idris and Bertha's son, Ronald Ley, is now deceased, but his family are still in Pennsylvania.
It was really interesting to see another branch of the family. It seems like my great grandmother was amelia ley's sister.
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Hi There,
Really pleased you found this site and I have sent you a personal message, please get in touch :)
Sheila