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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Aberdeenshire => Scotland => Aberdeenshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: fifer56 on Monday 12 January 09 20:50 GMT (UK)
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looking into my family history and wondering if anybody has any info on my family from turriff
john hay lochiel born approx 1820 possibly st nicolas aberdeen ,and married a Margaret blaikie and had 8 children my ggg grandfather George was one of them and he was born 1855 in turriff. i believe they lived at 95 chapel street per the 1861 census
if anybody can help with any info i would appreciate it
thanks
norrie
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Hi
This is an extracted record from the IGI at www.familysearch.org
JOHN HAY LOCHIEL Christening: 15 JAN 1816 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen Father: JOHN LOCHIEL Mother: ANN HAY
plus son of the same name
JOHN HAY LOCHIEL Birth: 08 JUN 1849 Christening: 08 JUL 1849 Turriff, Aberdeen Father: JOHN LOCHIEL Mother: MARGARET BLAIKE
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This is a submitted record which looks as though the person submitting the record has John's wife's name as his mother's name
That is why submitted records are often unreliable and need to be checked out
John Lochiel Birth: About 1821 Death: 17 MAY 1887 Aberdeen Father: John Lochiel Mother: Margaret Hay
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Other children shown on the IGI. The spelling of Margaret's maiden name is shown as mainly Blaike but on one entry it is Blake
THOMAS LOCHIEL Birth: 24 APR 1851 Christening: 16 MAY 1851 Turriff, Aberdeen
JAMES LOCHIEL Birth: 31 JAN 1861 Turriff, Aberdeen
MARGARET LOCHIEL Birth: 08 OCT 1868 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen
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And their marriage. Found it under Blaike as Lochiel is spelt Lochel on the transcription
MARGARET BLAIKE Spouse: JOHN LOCHEL
Marriage: 09 DEC 1848 Turriff, Aberdeen
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I am posting full 1861 details for info for any other Rootschat helpers - particularly as they are indexed as COCHELL
It's quite possible that Margaret's age is wrong given that son John is 19. Ancestry only have an index so I am unable to check the image. All b Aberdeen except Margaret
John 42 boot & shoe maker
Margaret 32 b Auchterless, Banffshire
William 19
John 12
Thomas 10
George 6
James 1 Mo
Turriff; ED: 2; Page: 15; Line: 2
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I have found them on the 1851 indexed as LACHALL. Same address as 1861 - Chapel St. All b Aberdeen
John 34 no occ shown
Margaret 24 b Marnoch Banff
William 8 b Marnoch
John 2
Turriff; ED: 3; Page: 2; Line: 23; Roll: 360
William was born 1843 so must be Margaret's son (probably illegitimate given her age)
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Hi Norrie,
I also have LOCHIEL'S in my family. The first documentation I have for mine is in Lanarkshire. There is not many around and I know of this family you're researching. There are a lot of spelling variations. Leochell is another one. I notice you are also researching Cunninghams.
It's late here is Oz, but will look at the post better tomorrow and see if I can add anything to what Carol has found.
Karen
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I notice Norrie has not yet responded to previous replies so you may need to pm him
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Karen/carol
apology's for not replying as have been trying to get my head round info i got from somebody on Genes Reunited but it appears she may have missed a generation
the information she gave me was as follows
john lochiel b approx 1790 married Ann hay (b1790 ?)
children john no DOB married Ann McCain4/11/1811 at north church Aberdeen
daughter lily born 1892 ?
other children Alexander b1811,Charles1817,James b1825 and Isabella b1827
more info on next post
Norrie
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carol/Karen
the source of her info as read
UK and us directories 1680-1830,John lochiel(vintner) address piries court,ship row Aberdeen(1829) and states john married Ann hay at north church Aberdeen on 4/11/1811
would be interested in your thoughts
Norrie
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Hi Norrie,
This is some of what I have for this family.
John LOCHELL m Ann HAY 4 Nov 1811
Children:
Alexander LOCHIEL b 22 Aug 1811 St Nicholas, Aberdeen
Charles LOCHIEL b 01 jul 1817 St Nicholas, Aberdeen
John Hay LOCHIEL b 15 Jan 1816 " " "
James LOCHIEL b 30 May 1825 " ' "
Isabel LOCHIEL b 3 Oct 1827 " " "
Margaret LUCHALL b 28 Nov 1829 " " "
John Hay LOCHELL m Jane SMITH 2 Aug 1842 Old Machar, Aberdeen.
(I think this is possibly a first marriage, possibly where William 8 from the 1851 census comes from, there does not appear to be any children for this couple on the IGI)
As well as the children for John Hay LOCHIEL and Margaret BLAKE that Carol has found, there is also Mary Blake LOCHIEL b 1859 Marnoch, BANFF and Mary Ann LOCHIEL b1863 Turiff, ABERDEEN.
This is from my notes, I also have stuff from Scotlandspeople, but my computer is running very slow at the moment, so it's going to take me a while to get the info together.
The information about Ann MCCAIN and a daughter Lily doesn't quite add up. The marriage date given is that of John LOCHIEL and Ann HAY and someone getting married in 1811 wouldn't be having a daughter in 1892. It does look like there has been a generation missed out.
The information above is all extracted info from the IGI, the spellings are as they are on IGI, as this is a name that does not bring up variants.
Shall let you know what I have from SP when i get it together, but could be tomorrow.
Karen
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Hi Norrie,
Have been on SP. I haven't viewed any of these certs, but this is just info from my previous searches for Lochiels.
John LOCHIEL and Ann McBAIN m 1887 St Nicholas Aberdeen
Lily Ann LOCHIEL b 1892 St Nicholas AB
Annie LOCHIEL other name McBAIN d 1927 aged 71 st Nicholas Ab
Lily Ann LOCHIEL on KELMAN d 1934 Aberdeen
This looks like your family in the 1881, all at Old Machar , Aberedeen:
5 Kintore Place
John LOCHIEL M 65
Margaret F 55
Thomas m 27
James m 20
Margaret f 12
67 Upper Denburn
George LOCHIEL m 25
Mary f 25
George m 5
Jane f 3
Margt. f 5m
62 Skene Square
John LOCHIEL m 31
Christina f 29
Duncan M m 1
This John (who is probably the son of John and Margaret Blakie) Marries Christina Munro 1878. Christina dies in 1884 aged 29. And he could possibly then marry Ann McBAIN. The certs actually need to be viewed to work it all out properly, as the original couple John LOCHELL and Ann HAY had other sons who could have kids with similar names.
Karen
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Hi Norrie
Just to throw a spanner in to the works,
My G.G.G. Grandfather was John Lochiel and He married Janet Hay.
This information came from my G.Grandmother death certificate.
Her name was Catherine Young MS Brown (born 1857 Lanark)
Her parents were John Brown and Janet Brown...M.S. lochiel (born 1825 in Aberdeen) They had a number of children
James Clyne Brown 1854
Catherine Brown 1857
Charles Lochiel Brown 1862
John Brown 1864
Robert Dions 1868
Think I've got it right.
If anyone can shed some light on this family that would be great.
Freda
According to Janet Browns Death Certificate, her parents were
John Lochiel (mill worker) and Janet Lochiel. M.S. Hay.
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thanks for replying looks like a visit to registry house is the only way it will be sorted out ?
we appear to have a mix up somewhere with conflicting information coming in from different sources. thanks for all your help and will post info when after i go to register house.
norrie