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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: maidmarianoops on Monday 12 January 09 09:52 GMT (UK)
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can anyone fill in the gaps
thomas sydney Russell
name of father needed if possible
born 1850 Murrurundi
Marriage 26 OCT 1875 Murrurundi
spouse sarah ann juchaw
SYLVIA
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Hi Sylvia :)
I take it there are no parents' names on his marriage certificate?
Three baptisms show up on the NSW BDM historical index search, one for a Thomas R RUSSELL (parents Thomas and Jane) and the other two for just plain Thomas RUSSELL. The last two seem to be the same person with two different index numbers - parents Patrick and Mary A.
Prue
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No birth on NSW BDM.
There are these deaths.
1926 Thomas S RUSSELL Father JAMES C and mother MARIA Died in Wollongong
1940 Sarah Ann RUSSELL Father JAMES and mother ELIZABETH Died in Wollongong
Could be unrelated, of course.
Jamjar
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thanks for both your answers
i will check them out
sylvia
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On an****try there is a one world tree
Thomas Sydney Russell died 1926 Wollongong parents James C and Maria
James C Russell died 1867
Maria died 1869 Scone Marias father listed as Benjamin
Mariac
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Do you have their children, as found on NSW BDM? All were born in Goulburn, NSW
1878 Elsie Tuchan THOMAS SYDNEY SARAH ANN
1879 Frank Charles THOMAS S SARAH
1884 Lucy Elizabeth THOMAS S SARAH
Could father be Frank or Charles? The C in the James C could be the Charles, yes?
Jamjar
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I think Charles is a good chance Jamjar.
Mariac
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James and Maria have 5 other children, between 1836 and 1854, including a Charles, but no Thomas. Umm. :-\
Jamjar
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Spelt a bit different Jamjar ;)
V1842366 26A/1842 RUSSEL THOMAS S
Parents JAMES C and MARIA
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Well done, Mariac, I just found him, too.
The date is also wrong, though.
There's also Ellen P in 1838, with the same spelling.
Jamjar
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Yes it is wrong isnt it ? I didnt notice it before. Thats a 10yr difference. Could the index be wrong?
I cant see a marriage for James and Maria in NSW.
Mariac
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Hopefully, Sylvia will enlighten us. :-\
There are other Russells in the area at the same time as, James and Maria, but not a lot.
Jamjar
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wow what a response thanks to all
a lot to work on now' i will update later
thanks again
sylvia
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Interesting to note there are no other Juchaw on the NSw Bdm's and that one of the childrens middle name is Tuchan, could that mean a mistranslation of Juchaw perhaps?
Jenn
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Death
24672/1967 WAPLES ELSIE JACHAU
Father THOMAS SIDNEY Mother SARAH
WOLLONGONG
9052/1911 WAPLES JOSEPH W RUSSELL ELSIE J CHATSWOOD
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Hi Jenn,
I was thinking about the different spelling and have just looked on NAA. There are no Jachaw, but are a few Juchau.
Juchau is listed on Elsie's death.
J
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Births
V18462735 31A/1846 JUCHAU SARAH A JAMES ELIZABETH
V18422738 31A/1842 JUCHAU JAMES JAMES ELIZABETH
9932/1905 JUCHAU PERCIVAL J C PERCIVAL J ADA E SYDNEY
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There are 21 deaths on NSW BDM.
Marriages there, also.
Sarah Ann's folks - Married 1841 James JUCHAU and Elizabeth DELVE Married in Scone - Church of England
Sarah's folks deaths? The only James and Elizabeths deaths, under this surname, on NSW BDM
1902 Elizabeth JUCHAU Father JAMES and no mother listed - MURRURUNDI
1913 James JUCHAU parents - JAMES and ELIZABETH - MURWILLUMBAH
Index to Deposition Registers: NSW State Records
James JUCHAU of Murrurundi Cattle stealing Tamworth 16 Apr 1872
J.
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SO perhaps a transcription error and the surname was Juchau, it would be easier enough mistake to make
So Jamjar and Terra have seen to have sorted out the maiden name for Sarah. I feel it does all help plus you always get people just googling away looking for ancestors and it will only lead more people to Rootschat.
Jenn
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Yes, I think so. I can see how one could get Tuchan out of Juchau. :)
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http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/814791?searchTerm=juchau
This link Mention Mr Juchau and Murrurindi, in fact if you put in Juchua you get quite a bit of reading.
Jenn
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http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/j/u/c/Hugh-Juchau/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0193.html
This is very informative, indeed. ;D
J.
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thanks again to all who replied .
As you say the Juchau side of the family is well documented ,the major difficulty has been to find a father for thomas sidney and his mothers maiden name.
sylvia
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THE INFO HAS RESULTED IN MARIA BANFATHER WIFE OF JAMES C RUSSELL
BEING FOUND
THANKS TO ALL
SYLVIA
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That's great news.
What were her parent's names? Where did you find the information?
Jamjar
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Thanks for the PM Sylvia.
I wonder how/why she ended up in Murrurundi?
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~austashs/immig/unkno_b.htm
Were James C and Maria married in Tassie?
Jamjar
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update in case anyone else is looking for this family
sylvia
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=442277
HENRY RUSSELL,
Birth1834 RICHMOND TASMANIA
Marriage 1862
LAUNCESTON TASMANIA
MARGARET MCDOUGALL
FAMILY INFO
Parents 45718 MARIA BANFATHER
442311 JAMES CHARLES RUSSELL
Children:
442427 M RUSSELL1862
442110 DAVID " 1870
442209 F " 1873
442426 M " 1876
442421 M " 1879
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Hi there. Not sure if any of this information is still needed, I am just new to the site. I am researching the Russells.
James Charles Russell b.1802 d.Oct 24 1867. Married Maria Banfather (b.1808 d.1870) Jan 8 1834.
children:
Henry Denham b.1834
William Murray b.1836
Eliza Erskine b. 1839
Thomas Sydney b.1842
Mary Houghton b.1844
Charles Atkinson b.1852
Emily Gashart b.1854
Hope some of that helps.
Jacqui
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Should this still be of interest: Thomas Sydney Russell's brother was Henry Denham Russell, who was Secretary of Sydney Hospital in the 19th Century. He died in Sydney: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15728131 (https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15728131). James Charles Russell died in Murrurundi: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13159712 (https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13159712)