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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (North Riding) => Topic started by: madpants on Friday 09 January 09 23:38 GMT (UK)
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Ecneps, Nutty1966 and myself are getting together on Monday 19th Jan and thought we'd like to do a spot of grave hunting.......however, we have no immediate graves to search for ourselves
so..
If there is anyone with graves they want looked for in the Middlesbrough/ Redcar/ Guisborough/ Stokesley general area, please post your request and we'll do our best to find it :)
If you don't know where yours is in relation to that area post it anyway and we'll let you know where it is :D
If we get some too far apart we'll do what we can and the others another day :)
Many thanks,
The Graves R Us team ;)
'It's a Grand Day Out Gromit!'
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We'd particularly like to go somewhere where there's a nice warm place to have lunch, so please bear that in mind when making your requests
Barbara
;D ;D
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::) ::)
'Wensleydale, Gromit?' (That's a bit too far out for us tho' ;D)
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Will we be in for a treat with some more pictures .. ?? :)
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Absolutely! Of graves though hopefully, you wouldn't want any more pics of us now, would you?
:D
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LOL pics of graves only I hope and a nice pub lunch, too chilly for sarnies in the graveyard ;D
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I'm thinking really hard. I must be able to come up with something for you... :-\ :-\ :-\
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Did you ever get Harriet's grave number for Linthorpe?
(although we'd rather have a day out a bit further afield)
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Hi: I've got some burials at St Cuthbert, Eston, but really don't know if there is a corresponding gravestone:
Family name is Archbell - Mother Hannah is the first buried 27 February 1856, followed closely by two sons George 7 July 1859 and William 16 August 1859. Father William appears to have been buried at Eston Cemetery 21 March 1864.
Plus Wilton by Redcar - Margaret Hannah Archbell aged 6 months 29 November 1859, closely followed by father John 21 April 1860. Again I have no idea if there is a gravestone.
All the above came from the parish records, which I found in Middlesbrough Archives on a visit last year.
Not sure if this is enough information for you. Not that I've got much more other than ages and where they came from.
Cheers
BumbleB :-*
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Oohh...Harriet....
The certificate says:
Harriet Smith
who died April 13th 1899
aged 35 years
Interred at the New Cemetry, Middlesbrough
No of Grave - 10925a
Jonas Seed & Sons, Undertakers, 5 & 45 Station Street.
No hurry if you want to go somewhere more exciting but next time you are in the area....
Now, if you opt for the Wensleydale patch, I can give you a very long list indeed.
And if you end up in Wilton, say hello to my parents for me. :)
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Hi: I've got some burials at St Cuthbert, Eston, but really don't know if there is a corresponding gravestone:
Not sure if this is enough information for you. Not that I've got much more other than ages and where they came from.
Hi Bumblebee,
If you wouldn't mind phoning Redcar & Cleveland cemeteries dept, they'll be able to give you a grave number and whether or not there's a headstone, that would make it much easier for us. 01642 774774
Redcar/Cleveland covers cemeteries at Boosbeck, Brotton, Eston, Guisborough, Loftus, Redcar, Saltburn, Skelton, and Churchyards at Kirkleatham, Ormesby and Wilton
Jen,
I can see her plot on the map, but whether she has a headstone, nk!
Barbara
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I'd be quite surprised to find a headstone really. They were not exactly wealthy so probably didn't go to such lengths. Her husband ( one of multitude of John Smiths) re-married and I don't know where he was buried. It would be good to know if they ended up together.
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Hi Barbara, I'll call the cemetery people tomorrow and let you know the results.
Cheers
BumbleB
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Hi, just saw your post. The grave I am looking for is not in the area you are going - however - perhaps you could provide a clue as to where I would find my great grandmother?
Hannah Lawson previously Fell, born Bowes, died 31st December 1906 (as per her death certificate) at the age of 86 in Ushaw Moor. There is a memorial to her on the Porteous family memorial in Guisborough cemetery which reads:
"also Hannah Fell (nee Bowes) beloved mother of the above who died 1st January 1907 aged 86 years. Interred at Old Esh."
No mention of Lawson!
I cannot find her in Esh or anywhere in the Crook, Ushaw Moor area either as Lawson or Fell - do you have any suggestions.
Regards
Ceeoh Margaret
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Hi Margaret
Old Esh was also Esh Village, and the church would be St. Michael
http://www.theclarion.co.uk/the_north_east/history/echomemories/durham/104/260304.html
When you say you can't find her, I take it you mean you can't find her burial? Have you asked the Derwentside district council cemeteries department for a search?
http://www.derwentside.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=5422
although I think if in the Churchyard you need to contact the Parish Priest
Barbara :)
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Hi Barbara - I've called Redcar and Cleveland. Afraid there is no headstone at Eston Cemetery for William Archbell,and of course they wouldn't know about the church burials. So sorry to have bothered you. My gut feeling is that there is no memorial at either Eston or Wilton - these were miners and their families and probably didn't have money to spend on memorials. The Eston Cemetery burial is also perhaps in a public grave, no owner recorded and there is another interment in 1880 for a person not known to be connected to the family.
BumbleB
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Hi BumbleB
It's no bother :) Sorry we won't be able to help - I have some burials in Eston cemetery with no headstones either. I did look at the transcriptions I have and nothing was listed for Archbell.
Barbara :)
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Hi All
Would you mind keeping an eye out for my Arthur Cavill?
Ecneps has already kindly checked MIs for Loftus, St Leonard's church, and others have tried to help too:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,98193.0.html
Thanks, and have a great time!
Diana
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Hi Diana,
The burial is definitely listed as 23rd May 1876, Arthur Cavill, aged 17, St. Leonards Loftus, but the fact that he's not listed in the MIs probably means there's no headstone or that it's illegible, sorry.
Barbara :-\
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Never mind, thanks for checking again!
Diana
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From this new topic,
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=352806.msg2308021#msg2308021
we have another Linthorpe cemetery look-up so that's two if we have another look for Jen's Harriet!
Not going very far afield are we? :D
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Hannah (Bowes) (Fell) Lawson
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Sorry about that!! Finger trouble again!
Hannah (Bowes) (Fell) Lawson:
Hi Barbara
Yes I mean her burial. Some years ago I contacted the parish priest of St Michael who very kindly checked the register for me but found no Fell or Lawson.
I'm at a loss to know what they did with her!
We also visited there ourselves in 1994 but walked around the churchyard - I doubt having her memorial on the Guisborough family stone whether they would go to the expense of another headstone - although I think her daughter and son-in-law were reasonably well off.
I get the impression - but I have no-one to ask - that the Lawson connnection was perhaps frowned upon - a money matter methinks.
Many thanks, I'll try the derwentside site.
Regards
Margaret
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Hi Kath, thanks for your pm about Linthorpe Cemetery
Here are the death details for all three, all CLEWS not Clewes
Death Reg March Qu 1940 Middlesbrough 9d 1453
Alice M CLEWS aged 56 (b.abt 1884)
March Qu 1958 Middlesbrough 1b 959
John CLEWS aged 78 (b.abt 1880)
CLEWS, Winifred Maud
August 1987 Leeds
Volume No: 5 Page No: 459 Reg No: 887
Date of Birth: 29 June 1917
Where did you get the grave number? I know you're local, so can you please phone Mbro cemeteries office to double check for all three, to see if they are all in the same grave, and let us know, there should be a letter as well as the digits 10217 (otherwise we won't know where to look). It's probably C, but if you'd check it would help. Cemeteries office 01642817725
Barbara :)
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Probably a silly question - how do you find out where someone is buried.
My grandfather died (from an accident) 1934 in the Sub-district of Middlesbrough West. Just out of interest - how can I find out where he is buried?
His wife (my Mum's grandmother) moved down to Hillingdon presumably before his accident - Mum doesn't know - so no idea what happened to him after that.
Viv
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Hi Viv,
Do you have his death certificate with his address? If not it's probably listed on http://www.middlesbrough-indexes.co.uk/search.php
If you have his exact date of death you could try phoning Middlesbrough cemeteries office 01642817725
Barbara :)
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Hi Barbara,
now it gets a bit complicated ;D
On his death cert. it says:
When and where Died: between the Britannie Steel Works and the North Riding Infirmary
So: therefore no idea where he was living at the time.
Will try the website you have noted.
Thanks,
Viv
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Poor chap died on the way to hospital then, but did it not give his home address. Was the informant his wife, has it not given her address?
I'd ring the cemetery office and see if they can help, the website I gave was just for the death cert if you didn't have it
Barbara :)
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If he worked at Britannia Mill and was taken to NR Infirmary, isn't he likely to be another candidate for Linthorpe Cemetry?
That's where my grandfather worked - and was fatally injured, too.
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Hi Barbara and Genjen,
his wife was not the informant - she had already left him (taking their 3 girls with her) and came down to Hillingdon. (Haven't found out why yet!)
Under informant it says:
Certificate received from O (?) St. Cochrane - Coroner for Middlesbrough. Inquest held 7th March 1934.
And just had another look - address was: 27 Carey Street, Middlesbrough (Occ. Slinger at Steel Works).
That would be great if he was buried at Linthorpe - but I doubt that he had a grave stone- I would think something like a pauper's grave.
Viv
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If he was a 1934 burial isn't it more likely he's in Acklam cemetary?
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As I said, Viv, if you just give the Mbro cemeteries office a ring, they should be able to help, then if you could let us know where and what grave number we can go and look
Barbara :)
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Gals, I wonder if I could be really cheeky and ask you to check on a couple for me? I know I'm not a million miles away but if you're going to Linthorpe cemetery anyway .......?
I found these grave numbers from the burial records but they don't seem to tie up with the map I have of the cemetery. Could you possibly see whether they are in the B and C areas and if so, are there any headstones?
David PRICE died 9 May 1887, grave 4830B, husband Of Hannah.
Julia STREET, died 5 July 1904, buried 9 July, grave 1262C, wife of William.
I would be very grateful for any info/photos if you can manage it. (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-050.GIF)
Thanks!
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Hi Roobarb,
They're on my map! B bottom left corner, C left side
Barbara ;D
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Will do Barbara :)
Viv
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Have just seen this thread. I have BURTONs, BENNETTs and DALESs and LINCOLNs all around that area - but have been doing husbands ONS on 1911 and elsewhere recently. If I have time I will tell you the burials I know, but I may well not have this weekend , will you be having a similar outing in the future?
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Hi, there's always someone willing to do grave look-ups. :)
Once you know what you want though, it might be just as well to post a lookup request on the county board, and we'll see it there, or someone else will, so you don't need to rush before Monday.
Lucky you to be able to see what you want on the 1911 census - still waiting for Durham, North Yorks & Northumberland.................(which is why we have time to do grave look-ups!)
Barbara :D
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Thanks, I will do this.
Yes, husband's Questeds never ventured far north, great to see his father with his family just before he ran away to sea!
But my own lot are in NRY and Wales, so I am making do with thrills over husband's lot. But I am very eager to sort out my own father's Saltburn lot; some of the family stories about who died when in his generation may be cleared up in the 1911.
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OOooooooooohhh Saltburn, we haven't been to Saltburn together have we girls ;D I like Saltburn, all nice straight rows of stones :) Mad/Ecneps no reply from you from my PM,
Jane
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Recent PM?? not got one hun
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Hallo Ladies,
right, I have just been in touch with Teeseide Cemeteries office and they have given me the following info:
Harry Wright / aged 49
Buried 2nd March 1934 in
St Josephs Catholic Cem.
North Ormesby
Grave Nr.: 500M
Thanks, Viv :)
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Hi Roobarb,
They're on my map! B bottom left corner, C left side
Barbara ;D
Mine isn't a very good copy Barbara, I can see the parts with those letters but not the grave numbers I'm looking for. Hoping you can maybe get some pics for me! :)
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Will do our best Roobarb, pm me your email and I'll send you a copy of my map.
Nutty, haven't had a pm
Viv, we may be going to North Ormesby after Linthorpe cemetery, will see what we can do.
Barbara :)
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I just had a thought. ( it takes a while but I do get them occasionally)
If you are in the Middlesbrough area, I have no record of Thomas or Amelia ( Cissie) Smith's burial. I've just contact Middlesbrough cemetries and they are going to get back to me. If I am in time, might you add them to your list please? The woman in the cemetries office reckoned most likely either Linthorpe or North Ormesby. :D
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We may be going to both, you have until Sunday night!!
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That's great Barbara - thanks to you all :)
VIv
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Middlesbrough Cemetries Office got us out of bed this morning with their response to my question!
So, the grave number for Amelia Alice and Thomas Smith is 8673C, Linthorpe. Also in that grave is James Albert Frost, Amelia's first husband. She must have decided that as it was already paid for, she might as well get full use of the plot! I doubt whether there is a stone but if you are heading that way, please can you have a look for me.
Thanks ever so much. :D :D
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Hi Jen,
Well you needed to be up - poor souls there will have had loads of phone calls about graves this week!
Looks as if Linthorpe will take up most of our time then, how exciting! :D
Will look for you and report back
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I have a request for N Ormesby too, so we'll have to have a pootle down there. ;D Anyone got a map for it??
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Sorry folks, expedition's cancelled - bad weather, one ill, one old, and one not going alone :D
We will get there as soon as we can, we have a list, will let you know how we get on
:)
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Not surprised really - wait for a pretty spring day. Our graves and ancestors won't be going anywhere. ;)
Get well soon, whichever one of you isn't well. :)
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That's Nutty, not saying which one I am ;D
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OLD! :P
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Well how cruel! ;D ;D
I had guessed but wasn't saying anything. ;)
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She knows I love her really Jen ;D ;D
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Still going out for lunch, but you can buy the drinks for that
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Well enjoy lunch anyway. How lovely to be able to meet with people who don't lose the will to live as soon as dead grannies are mentioned! ;D
Most of my friends look at me as if I have two heads if I dare to venture into the subject of genealogy! ::)
Have fun. :)
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Enjoyed our lunch, and our trip wasn't wasted as we called into the cemetery office for an updated plan of the two cemeteries and more detailed plans of the grave numbers, so hopefully when we go next time we can find them easily.
Will keep you posted
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and Barbara nearly got run over in the car park , you can't take her anywhere you know ::) ::)
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Sorry to hear your expedition was cancelled but the weather was pretty horrible. In fact b****ing awful! I hope Jane is better soon, bet she's devastated at missing that nice lunch! (Where did you go? :)). It wasn't me that nearly ran you over Barbara, honest, haven't been anywhere near the crem! ;)
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I couldn't see someone backing out round madpants' huge wagon in the cemetery car park. ::) As she said, you can't take me anywhere ;D
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I'm glad you all had a nice day out despite the weather.
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Huge car park as well! Glad you lived to tell the tale though Barbara, would hate for you to be anyone's ancestor just yet! ;) They may have you down as the old 'un but you're not that old !
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Thank you for trying to get to the cemeteries.
Get better soon Nutty, and glad to hear that Barbara and Madpants at least had a nice lunch.
Viv
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Received the detailed cemetery plans today with all the names and numbers circled, so it shouldn't take us too long to find them when we eventually go. Doesn't mean there are headstones though, so don't all get too excited, hopefully the weather will pick up and we can get there soon.
Barbara :D :D
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Check here before planning your expedition Barbara! We don't want you getting frozen!
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/others-153.gif)
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/ne/middlesbrough_forecast_weather.html
Joking apart, I've always found the site to be pretty accurate
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Well it's not raining! Expedition on again, got maps, compass, camera, boots, wish us luck and hope all graves have headstones!
Will report back later ;D
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Well it was not a great success, although it was nice to get out in the fresh air and mud for a couple of hours ;)
Out of the 2 cemeteries (Linthorpe and St. Joseph's North Ormesby) and the 9 graves visited, there was only one with a headstone - and that had a big bushy fir tree growing right in front of the stone which madpants kindly pulled aside so that I could take a photo.
Kathc, you're the winner! please pm me your email address so I can send you the pics, inscription reads:
In loving memory of our dear parents, Alice Martha Clews died 4th January 1940 age 56 years
John Clews died 26th February 1958 age 78 years
our dear sisters Gladys May Clews died 3rd August 1927 age 2 years
Winifred Maud Clews died 14th August 1987 age 70 years
Forever in our thoughts
For everyone else, I'm sorry, no headstones, but we found the places they were buried, and I took photos of the areas. If you would like copies of those photos, please pm me your email addresses.
Jen, Harriet was under a lovely old tree with snowdrops all around :)
There was another gravestone, right plot, but for the wrong name:-
JonathanW, the grave number for William Bingham did have a headstone, but for a different person, whether a relation or not I don't know, but took a photo of it too. The name was Mary Firth, who died May 4th 1891 - is she connected to your Binghams?
Barbara :)
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Hallo Barbara, Madpants and Nutty,
thank you very, very much for looking. At least you found the plot.
Would love a picture of the area. Have PM'ed with email address.
Thanks again, and glad you had a good day out.
Viv
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Snowdrops in Middlesbrough already? Gosh.
Looking forward to the photos. :D :D
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Yes, snowdrops!
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2285/snowdropsbp3.jpg)
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Oh - are they Harriet's snowdrops? How lovely. :)
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I've just opened my email, so have all the photos now. Thank you so much for doing it. I love that she has a tree to be under. :)
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I find that very special Jen, how touching that Harriet is resting there. :)
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Here's the full pic downsized - knew Pels. was waiting for pics!!
Better than a headstone I reckon :)
(http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7843/harriet2zg4.jpg)
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I will go to see it for myself one day and yes, it is better than a headstone. :)
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Hi Ladies
Many thanks for looking, not really surprised that my lot had no headstones, I think they were all pretty hard up! Would appreciate the pics of the area though, will PM my email to you Barbara. Thanks again for your efforts!
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/others-292.gif)
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Pics on the way, was waiting to see if you wanted pics of empty spaces first!
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Hi Kathc
Pics on the way to you now - pity the tree covers the headstone, instead of holding it out of the way for the photos, we should maybe have taken some clippers with us
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Thanks for the pm, JonathanW
Glad to know we didn't get the wrong grave for William, and that Mary Firth was your 3xggrandmother
- unexpectedly good result then
Barbara :)
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Just wanted to officially thank you all for doing grave searching, most appreciated.
Barbara has sent me the pictures.
Viv
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hiya just on the off chace i was wondering if you may be visiting St Michaels at Liverton anytime soon. I'm Looking for Charles and Myra Trinder ;)
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Hi Julie,
We may well do that, especially as there are headstones to photograph!
Meanwhile, here are their M.I.s: (and an extra wife)
In loving memory of Myra, beloved wife of Charles Trinder of Liverton Mines, died January 17th 1903 aged 57 years
In memoriam Charles Trinder died 4th March 1937 aged 70 years. Also Margaret Ann his beloved wife who died 17th April 1930 aged 63 "At rest"
Don't you live nearby anyway??
Barbara :)
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Hi Julie,
We may well do that, especially as there are headstones to photograph!
Meanwhile, here are their M.I.s: (and an extra wife)
In loving memory of Myra, beloved wife of Charles Trinder of Liverton Mines, died January 17th 1903 aged 57 years
In memoriam Charles Trinder died 4th March 1937 aged 70 years. Also Margaret Ann his beloved wife who died 17th April 1930 aged 63 "At rest"
Barbara :)
Hiya me again, not as much of a puzzle as i thought, with the second wife. its not actually his second wife, it his sons wife, his son was also called charles and was born 1866, i already him and his wife margaret white in my tree, how useless am i!!
so now i'm back to trying to find the original Charles Trinder's Death, just wondered if there were any more listed for liveton ( he was born about 1840 if that helps)
thanks again - i know i'm a pain
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Glad that's sorted out. :)
I gave you all the Trinders listed for Liverton :-\
Have you been through all the deaths in the GRO index for Charles senior?
Barbara
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Hiya yes, i have just found him Q 1 in 1915, looks like a trip to the archives for his burial record
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Wonder why they didn't put his name on Myra's headstone? He's not on Middlesbrough-indexes either, which would have given a ref to a church perhaps
added, just found his burial
Charles TRINDER burial Liverton St Michael 2 Mar 1915 age 76
so maybe he's in with Myra just not named, or gravestone illegible - you might have a nice surprise when you visit Myra's grave - he might be mentioned after all :)
Barbara
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i'll have to ring the cemetery's office and see if they are in the same plot
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I shall lock this topic as we have these graves and next time we plan an excursion we can start another thread. :)