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Title: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: bishenbertie on Thursday 08 January 09 14:49 GMT (UK)
I have googled St Giles Oxford and 4 churches are listed.  Am I correct in believing the only St Giles in 1822 was the one that is by the Radcliffe Hospital now.  Also would anyone be able to tell me if the baptism records are still available at the church, if not where they are available.  Many thanks.
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: jamajo on Thursday 08 January 09 15:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Bishenbertie,

                   I have a few PRs for Oxford if you need a look-up of a baptism :D

  Cant promise i have the one you need though but am willing to look if you give details :)

  Also if i cant help someone else may be able to :D

       Sue
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: bishenbertie on Thursday 08 January 09 15:15 GMT (UK)
Thank you Jamajo. 

This is my first time for parish records this is the info I have from IGI:-
Frederick George Westbrook, Christened 15 Sept 1822 Saint Giles Church, Oxford.
Father William Westbrook, mother Elizabeth.

Firstly I would like to know if the IGI is correct and secondly which St Giles and do the records exist?

Would I obtain anymore info by seeing the records in person? 


Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: DebbieG on Thursday 08 January 09 15:57 GMT (UK)
Hi - I have the transcripts (from OFHS) for that church which according to the introduction is - to the north of Oxford city centre outside the city walls at the convergence of the Woodstock and Banbury Roads.

The original registers would be in the Oxfordshire Records Office  - which I think is now at Cowley,  however the transcripts produced by that society are usually very good and I don't think there will be much of value in the originals that is not on the transcripts.

The Baptism you quote is there with the additional interesting info that William (the father) is a grocer.

There are also baptisms for siblings
1823 Elizabeth
1825 Henry William
1826 John Edwin
1828 Richard
1829 Jane

The last three also have the information that William  lives 'near the church'  and the last one the really valuable info that mother Elizabeth was 'late Hammond sp' - in other words her maiden name was Hammond

 :)

DebbieG
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: bishenbertie on Thursday 08 January 09 16:17 GMT (UK)
Thank you Debbie, you have uncovered further information for which I am grateful.

I didn't know that Elizabeth's maiden name was Hammond.  Nor all the names of the siblings and baptism dates.

I do not know what you expect to find in parish records but you have certainly found plenty for me to go on.  This is the first time I have managed to go back that far. 

Once again thank you for giving up your time and expertise for me.
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: DebbieG on Thursday 08 January 09 17:47 GMT (UK)
Hi - you are very welcome,  I should point out as you say you are new to useing parish registers,  it is quite unusual to have the mothers maiden names included on baptisms - we just got very lucky this time (don't want you to think it will normally be there)


I can see them in 1841 and 1851 census and William as a widower in 1861 & 1871  let me know if you don't have these.

According to Pallots marriages William Westbrook married Elizabeth Hammond 26th September 1815 at Twickenham

 :)

Debbie
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: bishenbertie on Thursday 08 January 09 18:01 GMT (UK)
DebbieG, I don't have them in 1841 or 1851 census.  I hadn't found the marriage in 1815 in Twickenham I am so surprised at this, not by the date but by the place.

Always more questions than answers why did they come to Oxford from Twickenham? must be for the work.

I had just been googling the church to see if there was a list of the gravestones in St Giles.  On googling the map the church is the one I thought it was.

Thanks once again.
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: DebbieG on Thursday 08 January 09 18:12 GMT (UK)
Hi - I did check for Westbrook burials while I had the transcripts for St Giles loaded,  there don't appear to be any at that church - I get the impression they left for London fairly soon after the birth of Elizabeth in 1829.  I did notice - I think it was in the 1851 census that there was an older brother George born in London before they moved to Oxford - I will try and find it again

 :)

DebbieG
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: bishenbertie on Thursday 08 January 09 18:14 GMT (UK)
Looking at your reply again I should be looking for Elizabeth's death between 1851 and 1861
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: DebbieG on Thursday 08 January 09 18:19 GMT (UK)
Yes - she will have died between 1851 and 1861,  they seemed to have lived in the Bedfont area of Middx at that time.

In 1851 Elizabeth's place of birth is given as Boyden Norfolk and I see that William is consistant in saying he was born in Harmsworth in Hampshire - I am not sure where Harmsworth is though - it isn't a parish as far as I can see

DebbieG
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: bishenbertie on Thursday 08 January 09 18:22 GMT (UK)
I'll google map both places to see where they are.
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: bishenbertie on Thursday 08 January 09 19:17 GMT (UK)
Debbie if you would be good enough to let me have all the info on the census 1841,,51,61 for William and Elizabeth I would be most grateful.

I googled mapped both places and nothing came up so I will have to investigate old maps.

Thank you for your help.
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: DebbieG on Friday 09 January 09 08:06 GMT (UK)
Good Morning - sorry about breaking off last night - had to go for dinner

here is what I believe is the family in the various census's



1841 Bedfont Middx

William Westbrook 40 Baker Y
Elizabeth Westbrook 40 Y
George Westbrook 20 Baker Y
Fred Westbrook 15 Y
Elizabeth westbrook 15 Y
Henry Westbrook 15 Y



1851 Bedfont Middx
HO107-1696 Fo 370 P25

William Westbrook 57  Head Mar Grocer born Hunats Haernsworth?
Elizabeth Westbrook 58  wife born Norfolk Royden
George Westbrook 30  son Un Painter born Middx London
Elizabeth Westbrook 26  dau Un born oxford
Richard Westbrook 23  son Un Baker bron oxford
William J Westbrook 5  grandson born Middx Bedfont


1861 - Bedfont Middx
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William Westbrook 63  head wid 63 Rate & Tax collector born Harmsworth Hants
Elizabeth Westbrook 33  dau born Oxford St Giles
Henry W Willoughby 16  gson born Berks Sunningdale
Benjamin King 5  gson born Middx Shoreditch


1871 St Pauls Hammersmith
RG10-60 Fo12 P15

William Westbrook 78 wid Grocer retired born Harmsworth Hants
Sarah Willoughby 50 mar  dau born Kensington Middx
Elizth Westbrook 42 un  dau  beer retailer born Oxford
Emily E King 16 un  grandaughter dressmaker born Hoxton Middx


Debbie
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: DebbieG on Friday 09 January 09 08:15 GMT (UK)
Hi again   :)

I think I have located Harmsworth, Hampshire - it appears to be a small hamlet in the parish of Old Arlesford,  there are Westbrooks there at that time according to the IGI but unfortunatly I couldn't see a likely baptism for your William

 :-\

DebbieG
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: bishenbertie on Friday 09 January 09 10:04 GMT (UK)
Goodmorning Debbie,

Thank you for all the information you have found for me.

It has given me a lot to work on.

I was googling all sorts of maps last night looking for Boyden and Harmsworth and didn't find anything more than 3 different possibilities for Boyden in Norfolf.

I'm away for the weekend as my other half is taking me away for my birthday so I'm disappointed I can't start on that bit of the tree straight away.  I will of course start on Monday.

Thanks again Debbie
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Thursday 12 February 09 15:35 GMT (UK)
There's a Roydon in Norfolk:

http://www.nikyat.btinternet.co.uk/roydon/roydon.html
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: bishenbertie on Thursday 12 February 09 15:54 GMT (UK)
Thank you for taking the time to send me the link it's much appreciated.
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1833 Baptism
Post by: HarpPlayer on Thursday 30 July 09 20:26 BST (UK)
Can someone look up two baptisms in Oxford St Giles:

     James Newbery ca 1818

     Thomas Newbery ca 1833

Both were sons of Thomas Newbery and Ann Blampin.

Thank you!
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford
Post by: Celeste Goulding on Wednesday 09 March 11 00:18 GMT (UK)
I am looking for Robert Monk, whose British Army records state that he was born in St Giles in the parish of St Giles, Oxford in 1780.
He was a breeches maker.
I have not been able to find any birth or marriage records online (yet!).
He joined the Army in 1805, 30th Regiment of Foot and was posted to India in 1806, where he remained until his death in 1853.
He married Mary and had 9 children in India.
That's all I know.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I am in Australia, so it's a bit difficult for me to visit anyone to view records other than online.
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: KN on Thursday 10 March 11 07:56 GMT (UK)
Dear Celeste

welcome to Rootschat! 

I think that you'll probably get a better response to your query if you start a new post, named with the surname of your family and the parish.

It gets a bit confusing if you start a new enquiry within an exisiting one.

good luck!

KN
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: orillia3 on Monday 08 August 11 19:53 BST (UK)
You might have more luck looking for Armsworth tithing district in Old Alresford.  Sometimes the name comes up Harmsworth due to the habit of the English to add an "haitch" before an "a" where there is none and subtract one when there is an "haitch".  The two forms Harmsworth and Armsworth seem to be used interchangeably in some instances. You also see Alresford misspelled Arlesford as well.

see this book pages
http://books.google.ca/books?id=TCMOAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=armsworth+old+alresford&source=bl&ots=nSSAvuovDn&sig=EFGIjL3Xaqa0BHiRbh4NnM0Hcv0&hl=en&ei=DChATvzoOIT20gH37rHWAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CEsQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=armsworth%20old%20alresford&f=true

Harmsworth has become a surname in its own right. 
Title: Re: St Giles, Oxford 1822 Baptism
Post by: bishenbertie on Monday 08 August 11 20:23 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for the information,  I had not located the parish registers for Armsworth so perhaps they are under Old Alresford.