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Title: calling all roots chatters - sending out an sos
Post by: shaw1234 on Wednesday 07 January 09 21:17 GMT (UK)
I am trying to find out how i can get hold of birth infomation for

James Shaw
b.1855
ballymena
kirkinrola
Co. antrim

Fathers name James, fathers occupation weaver, religion presbyterian.

what I really want to know is James shaw's (b.1855)  mother's maiden name.

I have simply run into a brick wall....I cant order a birth certificate from the GRO in northern ireland (co's they don't go back that far), and I do not as yet have enough information to narrow down searches on emerald ancestors, and ancestryireland.com.

can anyone help? or point me in the direction of where I can get this birth infomation.

any help anyone can give will be greatly appreciated

many thanks

Marcus
Title: Re: calling all roots chatters - sending out an sos
Post by: jason100 on Wednesday 07 January 09 21:33 GMT (UK)
Marcus,
            There is a site ifhf.brsgenealogy.com where you can search the birth records.  I just ran a search and there are a number of James Shaws of around that date  you can narrow the search to county antrim.  To see the actual detail you need to log on and pay.   It is 5 Euro for each.  They very often have the maiden name !

Good luck !

Regards,

Jason
Title: Re: calling all roots chatters - sending out an sos
Post by: shaw1234 on Wednesday 07 January 09 21:35 GMT (UK)
thanks jason i'll give it ago

marcus
Title: Re: calling all roots chatters - sending out an sos
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 07 January 09 21:38 GMT (UK)
Before you start order certificates, etc. what other details on the family do you have?
where there any younger siblings born after 1864 (maybe their birth certificates will give mother's maiden name)
Have you checked the local church records to see if the records cover that date and there's a baptism for James?
Do you know the mother's Christian name? if so, you could do a parent search in IGI.
Title: Re: calling all roots chatters - sending out an sos
Post by: margaretspearin on Wednesday 07 January 09 21:45 GMT (UK)
Hi
It seems that Ballymena Kirkinriola was Rc Parish. Are you sure James was Prsespyterian ? There aws a James Shaw born in this Parish in 1837. I know the date dosnt fit with your date but maybe you will find a connection visit www.brsgenealogy.com to look at index of records for Antrim

All the best
Margaret.
Title: Re: calling all roots chatters - sending out an sos
Post by: shaw1234 on Wednesday 07 January 09 21:54 GMT (UK)
2 replies in one

firstly thanks to jason for pointing out that website, however it turned out to be a dead end.

thanks anyway

2nd reply to aghedowey the one and only moderator -  unfortunately I do not know anything about any  their siblings, so thats a dead end, and as for the local church records...i'm not 100% sure its the right church, the information is based on the location of james marriage in 1876, which was in a registry office.

I'd like to check out proni or the presbyterian church's sometime in the future but the irish sea is in the way, and i'm not a good swimmer (ha ha) - being based in england its a bit tricky to get access - is there a bmd index for northern ireland like there is in england scotland and wales? at least if there was an index i might be able to narrow my search down a bit.

many thanks

marcus
Title: Re: calling all roots chatters - sending out an sos
Post by: shaw1234 on Wednesday 07 January 09 22:04 GMT (UK)
hi margaret,

i'm getting so many replies so quickly, as soon as I have typed a response a new reply ha gone up - not that i am complaining - i just wish i could type faster!

Anyway i am not 100% sure this is the right townland or parish, as i said in an earlier reply it is based on the fact that my james married in 1876 in a registry office in ballymena  - i have that document infront of me.

it is quite possible that james shaw b. 1855 was from drummaul as that where he was living when he got married, i've not quite got my head around antrims townland's and parish's there seems to be alot of them!

I am pretty sure though that they were presbyterians.

thanks for your suggestions if i find a link to the 1837 james shaw i will let you know.

marcus
Title: Re: calling all roots chatters - sending out an sos
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 07 January 09 22:52 GMT (UK)
Just a few comments.

Many early Presbyterian baptismal registers only list the father's name or sometimes the father's name and only the mother's Christian name so if a church record does exist it may not help much.

This site has some area maps (although it's not complete):
http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html

Here's a list of Presbyterian Church records held in PRONI (with earliest dates):
www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/antrim/antpres.html
Title: Re: calling all roots chatters - sending out an sos
Post by: shaw1234 on Thursday 08 January 09 13:02 GMT (UK)
Just a few comments.

Many early Presbyterian baptismal registers only list the father's name or sometimes the father's name and only the mother's Christian name so if a church record does exist it may not help much.

This site has some area maps (although it's not complete):
http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html

Here's a list of Presbyterian Church records held in PRONI (with earliest dates):
www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/antrim/antpres.html

many thanks adhagowey

marcus
Title: Re: calling all roots chatters - sending out an sos
Post by: DixieDee on Thursday 08 January 09 19:05 GMT (UK)
Hi Marcus.
The marriage below will give you an idea of what you might have to contend with in Presbyterian records, pre Civil Registration starting.
As aghadowey states, the details on early Presbyterian records are a bit scarce. A large number only give a baptism date and no date of birth. Some only give the father's name on the really early ones.

I don't know if this marriage relates to your Shaws, but it was the only one I have a record of.

Robert Carson married SARAH SHAW, on the 26 July 1832, in Ballymena 1st Presbyterian Church.
Groom resided Ballee, Co Antrim.
Bride resided Ballee, Co Antrim.
Witnesses,  Robert Hardin and John Hardin.
PRONI film reference,  MIC / 1P / 114 / 3.

Ballee is in the Parish of Connor, which is a neighbour to Drummaul.

Emerald Ancestors has 3 James Shaws before 1855, registered in Ballymena.
If you have a LDS Family History Centre near where you live, you could order the church records for those churches.

Regards,
Dixie
Title: Re: calling all roots chatters - sending out an sos
Post by: shaw1234 on Friday 09 January 09 13:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Marcus.
The marriage below will give you an idea of what you might have to contend with in Presbyterian records, pre Civil Registration starting.
As aghadowey states, the details on early Presbyterian records are a bit scarce. A large number only give a baptism date and no date of birth. Some only give the father's name on the really early ones.

I don't know if this marriage relates to your Shaws, but it was the only one I have a record of.

Robert Carson married SARAH SHAW, on the 26 July 1832, in Ballymena 1st Presbyterian Church.
Groom resided Ballee, Co Antrim.
Bride resided Ballee, Co Antrim.
Witnesses,  Robert Hardin and John Hardin.
PRONI film reference,  MIC / 1P / 114 / 3.

Ballee is in the Parish of Connor, which is a neighbour to Drummaul.

Emerald Ancestors has 3 James Shaws before 1855, registered in Ballymena.
If you have a LDS Family History Centre near where you live, you could order the church records for those churches.

Regards,
Dixie


thanks dixiedee

Its possible that this sarah maybe liknked to my family tree.
Title: Re: calling all roots chatters - sending out an sos
Post by: markinbelfast on Thursday 15 January 09 13:48 GMT (UK)
http://www.ballymenatimes.com/yoursay.aspx
Title: Re: calling all roots chatters - sending out an sos
Post by: Kiwisue on Wednesday 18 January 12 09:44 GMT (UK)
Shaw & Carson Family

Hi

My Carson Family
Seeking any information of Carson Family - Duffin Carson 11/2/1851 m on 8th Sept 1873 at Presbyterian Church, Wellngton Street, Ballymena - Lizzie (Elizabeth Carson Murray)their children are Sarah Carson, Margaret Mary Carson b 1874 d in childbirth married Tom Ritchie, Jane (Jeanie/Ginny) Carson b 14/11/1876, Annie Carson b 1/5/1879 who married Hugh Magill, Robert Carson b 10/11/1884 d 26/12/1983 m Maudie Elizabeth Quinn in Belfast on m 17 June 1912 - these are my g grandparents, Elizabeth Carson (Lizzy/Molly) b 19 March 1887, May Carson 31 May 1895 m Christopher Metcalf - Any info appreciated - Other family surnames are Murray and Duffin are cousins some

Elizabeth Murrays parents were Ann Shaw & Duffin Murray - Ann's father was Ferguson Shaw - are they connected to your family
Title: Re: calling all roots chatters - sending out an sos
Post by: maggieblue on Wednesday 18 January 12 12:04 GMT (UK)
Hi Marcus

Ballymena 3rd Presbyterian Church Kirkinriola.  This church is now called West Church. Although below is a list of other churches in Kirkinriola.

I have connections with this church and can look again at the records if you think your rellies are attached to this.  Kirkinriola is not RC.

Kirkinriola Ballymena Baptist Church Marriages 1865-. In local custody Baptist

Kirkinriola Ballymena Congregational Church
Baptisms 1901-; Marriages 1898-; Historical Account 1881. In local custody Congregational
93 Kirkinriola Kirkinriola Church of Ireland Baptisms 1789-1805 & 1815-1871; Marriages 1807, 1809, 1819 & 1822-1841; Burials 1780, 1792, 1809, 1815, 1836 & 1841-1871; Vestry Minutes 1777-1890; Confirmations 1868, 1871, 1874 & 1877.
T679/186-194 Church of Ireland

Kirkinriola Kirkinriola Church of Ireland Baptisms 1871-; Marriages 1841-; Burials 1871-; Preachers' Books 1860-;
Treasurers' Account Book 1878-1922.
In local custody Church of Ireland

Kirkinriola Ballymena Methodist Church baptisms 1829-1925; Marriages 1836-1931; Circuit Schedule Books 1860-1879; Register of Members 1826-1891; Leaders' & Stewards' Minutes
1855-1887, with gaps
MIC1E/57-58;   
CR6/4
132 & 133 Methodist

Kirkinriola Ballymena Non-Subscribing Presbyterian Church
Marriages 1849-1863. CR4/10 Presbyterian

Kirkinriola Ballymena 1st Presbyterian Church
Baptisms 1812-1938; Marriages 1812-1906; Session Minutes 1812-1925,
with gaps.
MIC1P/114 142-145 Presbyterian

Kirkinriola Ballymena 2nd Presbyterian Church [High Kirk]
Baptisms 1813-1941; Marriages 1845-1936. MIC1P/204 140 Presbyterian

Kirkinriola Wellington Street Presbyterian Church, Ballymena
Baptisms 1863-1962; Marriages 1864-1920; Minute Books 1862-1893. MIC1P/27; 
T513/1
150-152 Presbyterian

Kirkinriola West Church Presbyterian,
Ballymena
Baptisms 1829-1945; Marriages 1830-1832 & 1845-1903. MIC1P/105 166 Presbyterian

Kirkinriola Ballymena Roman Catholic Parish
Baptisms 1848-1881; Marriages 1840-1842 & 1847-1882. [Includes parts
of the civil parishes of Ahoghill, Ballyclug, Glenwhirry & Racavan.]
MIC1D/69A 44 Roman Catholic

Hope this helps


Maggie
Title: Re: calling all roots chatters - sending out an sos
Post by: scotmum on Wednesday 18 January 12 17:43 GMT (UK)
There is a James Shaw listed in Drummaul Parish in time of Griffiths Valuation, so would fit as potential father of your James.

He was in Tamlaght townland and his landlord was Samuel McMaster.