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Title: Belgium or Turkey?
Post by: Maggiemae on Wednesday 07 January 09 03:53 GMT (UK)
Via the UK Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914 - 1919 data base I've found the details for a member of my extended family tree.

This record gives the Theater of War: Antwerp but the Commonwealth War Graves Commission gives his details on the Halles Memorial Turkey.

Please could anyone offer an explanation for this (& feel free to tell me geography knowledge is lacking  ::). I'd like to clear this up before I enter the details in FH programme, without checking CWGC I would have entered his place of death as Belgium.

Maggiemae

PS: Just in case it helps, he served with the 2nd Battalion, Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment).

Title: Re: Belguim or Turkey?
Post by: chinakay on Wednesday 07 January 09 04:27 GMT (UK)
Well for a start Maggiemae, "Belguim" isn't a place, but try Belgium...it will Google better ;D ;D ;D

Cheers,
China
Title: Re: Belguim or Turkey?
Post by: Maggiemae on Wednesday 07 January 09 05:00 GMT (UK)
 :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Thanks, I just picked up on that myself and lucky for me Google isn't too fussed about my spelling  :P.

Maggiemae  :)
Title: Re: Belgium or Turkey?
Post by: LJReb123 on Wednesday 07 January 09 05:03 GMT (UK)
Hello

a name and service number would help sort this one out

thanks

David
Title: Re: Belgium or Turkey?
Post by: Maggiemae on Wednesday 07 January 09 05:18 GMT (UK)
Hello David

His name was Arthur Ernest Cranwell, service no. G/9395.

I've since noticed when the record first comes up on Ancestry it gives his death as 28 June 1915, Gallipoli, when I opened the record and printed it out there was no reference to Gallipoli rather it gives the Theater of War as Antwerp, hence my confusion.

Many thanks
Maggiemae

Title: Re: Belgium or Turkey?
Post by: LJReb123 on Wednesday 07 January 09 05:52 GMT (UK)
Hello

thanks for getting back to me

As I thought you appear to be using Ancestry's SDGW data base which is full of errors. I've checked the original SDGW and Gallipoli is recorded there. Consistent with the battalion history and CWGC data.

Hope this helps.

David

Checked his medal Index Card - he is recorded as 'Cramwell'.
Title: Re: Belgium or Turkey?
Post by: Maggiemae on Wednesday 07 January 09 06:15 GMT (UK)
David

Thank you for your very helpful reply, I wasn't aware the SDGW data base had errors in it and I will bear this in mind for the future.

I've now found his medal card thanks to you but I now wonder why his service records don't appear, if you have answer for that I would be most appreciative.

Thanks again.

Maggiemae 
Title: Re: Belgium or Turkey?
Post by: nanny jan on Wednesday 07 January 09 09:24 GMT (UK)
Hi,

As David is not online perhaps I can offer a suggestion;  a lot of WW1 service papers were destroyed in the bombing in WW2.


Nanny Jan
Title: Re: Belgium or Turkey?
Post by: Maggiemae on Wednesday 07 January 09 10:32 GMT (UK)
Hi Nanny Jan

Many thanks for your suggestion, it may well be the explanation in this case.

Maggiemae


Title: Re: Belgium or Turkey?
Post by: mmm45 on Wednesday 07 January 09 11:17 GMT (UK)
Heres his MIC if you havent got it.Gallipoli Theatre of Entry on it.
19 days in theatre before KIA :-[

Ady
Title: Re: Belgium or Turkey?
Post by: Maggiemae on Wednesday 07 January 09 13:05 GMT (UK)
Thanks Ady

I have that thanks to David pointing out he was recorded as Cramwell.

I'm always touched when I find these records, 22 seems so young to die.

I appreciate your interest.

Maggiemae




Title: Re: Belgium or Turkey?
Post by: harribobs on Friday 09 January 09 13:06 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Maggiemae on Wednesday 07 January 09 06:15 GMT (UK)
Thank you for your very helpful reply, I wasn't aware the SDGW data base had errors in it and I will bear this in mind for the future.

SDGW isn't the problem it's Ancestry, any reference to  Antwerp or Aldershot should be queried