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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: norh on Monday 05 January 09 11:53 GMT (UK)
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Hello everyone,
I have recently found a number of family members but one remains elusive. (Lizzie Kelly)
Thomas Kelly married Norah Larrisey in Sandymout Dublin in 1892. The first child Thomas was born a year later1883.
On 1911 Census 6 kids were documented Thomas 28, Catherine 21, Patrick 15, James 14, Henry 11, Mary 5. The census stated 11 children had been born, 9 were alive. We also know that Arthur 16 & John/Jack 21 lived in Armagh at time of 1911 census. There was another sister called Lizzie but we have no record of her.
The first child Thomas was born in Dublin city. Catherine was born in Cobh/Queenstown Cork & Patrick born Co Wicklow. Its possible Lizzie was born in one of these 3 places. Can anyone help?
One family source says Lizzie emigrated - another said she married Mc Gill/Magill & lived in Dublin. I know there is a lot of information here to decipher but any help would be greatly appreciated.
Norh
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Hello again,
I was wondering if new information has been added to continue with this search all these years later.
I would still like to find anything about Lizzie Kelly.
Also can a birth date/certificate be found for Arthur Kelly, son of Thomas Kelly & Honora (Nora) Larrisey? They were married in Sandymount Dublin in 1882.
Arthur was 16 in 1911 census. I sent to Dublin for a certificate years ago but it is the wrong one. It said the family lived in Bride St Dublin but this is the wrong family
Recently I couldnt find anything on Family Search site. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Norh
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1901 shows Eliza Kelly 16 yrs with the family
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Dock_Ward/Upper_Meadow_Street/937840/
Here is a birth for her Elizabeth Catherine
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02672/1984685.pdf
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Here is Arthur’s birth
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02327/1871404.pdf
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Hello Heywood,
Thank you sooo much for your help. Im particularly delighted to get Arthurs birth. Thats fantastic!
Kind regards,
Norh
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Just to add the family had two sons named Arthur
Arthur Joseph was born on Aug 24 1886 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1886/1956759a.pdf)
He was baptised in Cloyne Parish on Aug 28 1886
Sponsors were James BALAM & Ellen WALSH
He is presumably deceased by 1892 when the second Arthur was born in 1892
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The marriage of Elizabeth KELLY to Andrew MAGILL which you may have
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10242/5727797.pdf
Do you have all 11 children or are you looking?
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Hi myluck,
This is fantastic I had no clue about 2 Arthurs!! I knew there was a Cork connection and this proves it. Brilliant. Much appreciated.
Are there records for any of the other siblings? Jack/John, Jim, Molly, Kitty, Lizzie, Harry, Paddy, Tom? These are the names I have but I dont have any proof. Just saw the 1901 Census you shared. Didnt realise they had moved around so much. Cork, Wicklow, Dublin, Belfast...
Including 2 Arthurs that makes 10 children. There were 11 mentioned on one of the Census records. Any idea what the other child was called?
Many thanks
Norh
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If you want to try yourself, you can search records here - this page shows what is available
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/irish-records-what-is-available/civil-records
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The civil records are on www.irishgenealogy.ie
I have found so far
1 1883 May 08 Thomas LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02737/2006237.pdf)
2 1884 Dec 14 Elizabeth Catherine LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02672/1984685.pdf)
3 1886 Aug 24 Arthur Joseph (1) LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1886/1956759a.pdf)
presumed deceased before 1892
4 1888 Jun 19 Catherine LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02500/1927269.pdf)
5 c1890 logical time frame for missing child or c 1901 or between 1907 and 1911
This could also where John/Jack fits who I cannot see on any census
6 1892 Nov 04 Arthur Joseph (2) LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02327/1871404.pdf)
7 c1894 Patrick Co. Wicklow according to census - yet to find
8 1897 Jan 25 James LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02140/1812844.pdf1)
9 1899 Aug 19 Henry LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02030/1778241.pdf)
10 1903 Jan 04 Norah LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01882/1732004.pdf)
possible death in 1904 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1904/05612/4578310.pdf)
11 1906 Feb 23 Mary LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01752/1691253.pdf)
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Wow myluck,
This is amazing!! Ill have lots of reading to do tomorrow and updating all my records.
Im so glad you gave me links cause I wasnt having much luck on the site. Even when I was provided with the facts here - when I entered them in the search field on the site i kept getting "no records." Im a bit of a disaster!!
Thank you kindly for taking the time and effort to help me out. I truly appreciate it
Kind regards,
Norh
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No problem Glad to help
Happy hunting and continued research tomorrow!
By the way you mentioned you found John/Jack on the census returns
Did it say where he was born?
I know this isn't always accurate, especially with a family that moved about, but it could help give you a starting place for searching
Also some sites only let you research the exact spelling and Norah Larrissey has many variants as you will see on the records. Even Kelly has a second e (Kelley) sometimes. This makes searching all the more difficult - persevere!
Let us know how you get on ;D
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Hi myluck,
Ive now found 1o children.
Couldnt find Patricks birth cert. I found a Patrick born to Thomas and Norah Kelly in Rathdrum, Arklow, County Wicklow 1895. This is where the previous child was born. However the mothers maiden name was different. I was hoping this was the registrars error!! Ha but ill keep on searching.
Thanks again for your help
norh
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Well done - that's great
I'm curious - did you find a John?
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Yes myluck,
I found John Joseph Leo Kelly. DOB 14/2/1890 9 Ryans Court South Dublin. Im delighted with all these great finds thanks to you!
Noreen
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Well done - there were so many in Dublin I didn't even try!
Hope Patrick turns up soon!
Do you know did he marry?
The church record of his marriage might have his baptism record recorded!
To find this you'd probably have to contact the church but might be worth while
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This is another suggestion to bear in mind for Patrick LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02218/1837105.pdf) #264 last row
Born April 13 1896 Prubys(?) Row Arklow
Father Thomas Kelly a carpenter
Mother shown as Norah O'Flaherty?
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I was going to mention that one but went out for our walk :)
The link to James 1897 doesn’t seem to work. I was trying to check the address.
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Try this one
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02140/1812844.pdf
Address 108 Townsend Street
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Thanks.
Patrick fits re occupation of the father.
This birth for Henry also has a strange/different surname for mother, Norah.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02030/1778241.pdf
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Hi again folks,
Yes heywood, I noticed the link to James didnt work but I found him. But I found him and his address was 108 Townsend Street South Dublin. DOB 25/1/1897. Elizabeth Reid from the same address was present at the birth.
Myluck I saved that birth because everything matched but the maiden name. But ill continue to search. Also Patrick did not marry. He was killed in action 29/1/1917 aged 21yrs
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Bear in mind that their level of literacy could have been low or none
They might not have known how to spell their own name
With LARRISSEY it could have so many variations as well as LARAGY or similar
If you look the informant on the "possibles" is often not a family member this would add to the discrepancies.
The individual writing the record could mishear or use their variation each time.
Take care and continued success researching
Be careful this bug is very additive!
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will of Patrick 1917
next of kin
Mr's N Kelly 8 Gerald St
http://soldierswills.nationalarchives.ie/reels/sw/KellyP_E307868.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Pembroke_West/Gerald_St_/43192/
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Thanks Dathai I had managed to find those.
Any suggestions how I could find out more about Thomas Kelly? He died 1935 age 80yrs and is buried in Deans-grange cemetery in Dublin. Id love to know where the family originated
norh
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Thomas is shown on the census returns as from Co Armagh and on his marriage record with his father's name as also Thomas. Added is "who is living" which may help!
Sandymount parish still hold their own records, they are not online
There is a possibility that the church recorded his mother's name also and even his parents home address.
This is where I would start
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I'm helping a friend here in Australia.
Not sure if it's the same guy but his grandfather was John Joseph Leo Kelly.
He married a Gertrude Anastasia Long supposedly in Queensland but I can't find the marriage.
Any info appreciated.
Jackie
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There is an online tree that has a link to a marriage in 1907 in Wellington, New South Wales (transcript only) between (Leo) John Kelly and Gertrude Long
It implies he was born in Australia to a Patrick Kelly and Mary Ann Sheehan 1878
If this is proven he is not the same man as listed here b1890 in Dublin
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Norh
You may be still interested and looking!
Eliza Kelly married Andrew Magill on Sept 04 1903 in Belfast
They had at least two children in Richill, Co. Armagh
John Thomas on July 04 1904 and Mary Anne on Jun 27 1906
and an unnamed male on Oct 05 1908 in Holles Street Hospital Dublin; address given as 40 Penrose St
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Thank you
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You’re welcome!
Happy hunting and researching