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Could someone please check a handwritten slip of paper I have states " Mary Thompson baptised 9th May 1832. Parents Robert Thompson Schoolmaster and Lucy Thompson" My research has Margaret's mother Sarah Hargreaves! Margaret married a John Cornall and had a daughter Sarah Elizabeth - possibly for her mother Sarah and her mother-in-law whose name was Elizabeth.
I cannot find a Lucy marrying a Robert Thompson.
Margaret's brother William Thompson born about 1828 should be baptised in the same place - I hope.
On the same handwritten note I have that Margaret's husband John and his twin brother Matthew were also baptised at Copp Church in 1827. They were from Elswick!
Her's hoping someone has access to the Register of Copp Church. Is Copp near Great Ecclestone and Elswick?
Thanks
CJW
Australia
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Hi CJW, your post caught my eye.
There doesn't appear to be a place named Copp but I am wondering if it is short for Coppull which is part of Chorley in Lancashire. Elswick and Ecclestone are both in Lancashire too and Ecclestone isn't very far from Coppull.
Just a query...you called the lady Mary in the first line and then talked about Margaret...which is it?
There is a website for Coppull Parish church and there is also the online
parish clerk at www.lan-opc.org.uk
Another good lancashire site is lancashire bmd but that is from 1837 only.
Hope this helps. ;D
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Is Copp near Great Ecclestone and Elswick?
Hi,
The church would be St. Anne, Copp and is located half way between Great Eccleston and Elswick on Copp Lane. If you go to www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Copp/StAnne.shtml
scroll down to Maps and then click on "this church marked on a Google Map"
By the way, I suspect that Lucy may have died and Robert had remarried a Sarah by the 1841 census.
Regards,
Mo
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I stand corrected. :'(
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Thanks to all . It is Margaret I was looking for. I cannot find a marriage for Robert Thompson and a Lucy but do have a marriage for Robert Thompson and Sarah Hargreaves in Colne.Maybe she was called Lucy!!
Cheers
CJW
Australai
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Hi,
Personally I would not spread out as far as Colne to find the Marriage when all parties were born around Preston/Great Eccleston/Elswick way. Especially as that Robert Thompson who married Sarah Hargreaves was a "weaver of Colne" ::) and couldn`t write his name as he made his mark on the marriage certificate. Yours was a Schoolmaster, Clerk of the Union and Farmer. It is far more likely that the records for the particular church have not been transcribed and therefore not available online.
Mo
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Thanks Mo I'll see if I can find the elusive Lucy - according to family records! her maiden name was also Thompson born in G Ecclestone circa 1800 and her father was John Thompson a schoolmaster born in Thistleton. I discounted some of this as both husband and wife allegedly had fathers and grandfathers with the same names john and grandfather William. Also the census with wife Sarah.
::)CJW
Australia
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Lancashire Parish Record Society Vol`143 Registers of St Michael's On Wyre and Copp Chapel has the following:
Copp Chapel Baptisms:
1832 May 9th Margaret d. Robert & Lucy Thompson of Great Eccleston - Schoolmaster
There's no record of a marriage for that couple at Copp Chapel, marriages there were very rare - it seems to have served as an annexe to St Michael's. I can't find a marriage for the couple at St Michael's either, however there are other baptism records from Copp Chapel which might be of interest:
1823 March 3 Margaret d. Robert & Lucy Thompson of Elswick, schoolmaster
1825 Feb 23 John s. Robert & Lucy Thompson of Elswick, schoolmaster
1827 July 29 William s. Robert & Lucy Thompson of Great Eccleston, schoolmaster
1830 Mar 10 Robert s. Robert & Lucy Thompson of Great Eccleston, schoolmaster
Hope that helps,
jds1949
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Just had another look at the Copp Chapel register - this might also interest you:
Baptisms:
1800 February 2 Lucy Thompson d. of John Redman of Great Eccleston by Helen his wife.
So she was Lucy Thompson Redman, Helen, her mother was the Thompson connection.
Marriages [St Michael's on Wyre]
1789 July 27 John Redman bachelor of this parish & Ellin [Ellen] Thompson of this parish spinster by licence.
regards,
jds1949
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Oh, nice one JDS, :)
CJW,
The following you may already have or know about, but I was taking a look at the Preston Newspapers to see if his marriage to Sarah was mentioned or Lucy`s death. I didn`t find anything, but I did find this snippet from 1st October, 1842.
THE FYLDE UNION - Mr. Robert Thompson of Thistleton, for many years master of the Copp School, Great Eccleston, has been appointed clerk to the Board of Guardians and Superintendent Registrar for the Fylde Union.
Bet he signed a few BMD`s ;D
Regards,
Mo
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WONDERFUL :-* Thanks to you both. It is all new information. The eldest son John Thompson was born in Elswick,(I had his details) and I had William and Margaret(no birth or baptism) but not the Robert mentioned as a son.
Can't work out the other baptisms though for 1823.1825,1827 and 1830, as the record at the beginning of your message jds1949 has 1832 Margaret.
Margaret's age was 21 on her marriage in 1855!
Many thanks again to you both
A grateful Aussie
CJW
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Hi,
Just as an aside I also spotted this in the 22nd November, 1851 edition of Marriages:
On Thursday last, at Singleton Church, by the Rev. L.C. Wood, John, eldest son of Mr. Robert Thompson, Yeoman, Thistleton, to Alice, eldest Daughter of Mr. Matthew Kirkham, farmer, Warbreck, near Blackpool.
Regards,
Mo
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Dear CJW
The Margaret born in 1823 was the first child recorded for Robert and Lucy - she presumably must have died in infancy and so, in 1832 Robert and Lucy named their last daughter Margaret. This was fairly common practice to name a new child after a recently died sibling.
Hope that clears it up
jds1949
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Thanks jds. On the LDS Family Search they have a death of Lucy Thompson Redman 1802, daughter of John Redman and Ellin Thompson! So maybe back to "the drawing board" or is the entry unreliable? My LucyThompson supposedly died 1834 in Great Ecclestone.
Thanks Mo that marriage is for the eldest son John who moved to Birkenhead.
William Thompson the 2nd son followed his father in becoming a Poor Union Clerk, and when he died his estate came to his 2 nephews (John Cornall and Margaret Thompson's sons) in Australia. When their mother died (Margaret Thompson) they came to Australia and selected land. The property is called "Fleetwood" after the birthplace of James and Robert Cornall(the 2 nephews)
Thanks again
Cheers
CJW
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Dear CJW
it looks like back to the drawing board with Lucy - St Michael's burial register does indeed have the following entry:
1802 August 16
Lucy daughter of John & Ellen Redman of Great Eccleston [Saddler] died August 15 aged 2.
Like you I cannot find any marriage between John Thompson and Lucy[?] - there isn't one at St Michael's nor any likely one on IGI or Vital Records, nor is there one listed in Boyd's list of mariages.
Sorry!
jds1949
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Dear CJW,
I've been doing a liittle more digging - I went back to Boyd's list and looked again and this time I did find something - two things in fact:
Marriage 1822 Robert Thompson married Lucy Tomson at Kirkham
Marriage 1835 Robert Thompson married Sarah Parkinson at Kirkham
That's the good news, the problem is that the Kirkham registers have not been published for the dates that you want - so no further details available.
So, Lucy Tomson must have died following the death of her last child, Margaret in 1832, and Robert then re-married in 1835.
Still no further in finding Lucy's family, but at least there was a marriage, even if we can't find the detail - unless there's someone out there who can get to the Lancashire Record Office in Preston which probably holds the original registers or a microfilm of same.
I presume that you already have the 1841 and 1851 census entries for Robert, Sarah and family at Greenhalgh with Thistleton? If not let me know and I'll post them.
Sorry that I missed the Lucy marriage the first time around - I was obviously having a "senior moment" - however we got there in the end,
regards,
jds1949
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Thanks a lot for your help jds I do appreciate it. I'll just have to keep plugging away. I have on the same piece of paper that Lucy died in 1834 in Great Ecclestone and that she had brothers and sisters William, John Mary Ann and James. My problem is that this paper also has her father and grandfather with the same names as Robert Thompson, her husband, namely fathers John and grandfathers William.
Lucy's father John born Thistleton( whichI think is Roberts father) and Robert's father John born Ellel.
It is all very confusing!!!
Margaret Thompson's father on the baptism is given as a schoolmaster of Thistleton, hence my wondering if the 2 Johns and 2 Williams are transposed.
Oh well this family searching wasn't meant to be easy ::)
Cheers
CJW
Australia
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I missed this message, thank you that certainly helps, in fact it is WONDERFUL! I do have the census information.
Thanks again jds
cheers
CJW ;)