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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: Macharskin on Sunday 04 January 09 20:36 GMT (UK)
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I was wondering if anyone had a copy of the above book by The Rev. J. S. P. Black, and could look up some of the tables at the back of the book for me?
The tables include Protestant Householders in Balteagh in 1740, Emigrants from the Parish between 1833 & 1834, Presbyterians by Townland, Schools Surveys in 1825 & 1834, Tithe Composition Book 1826.
Kind regards, Michael.
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This is a link to biblioireland.com which has a discription of the book, which seems to be out of print:
http://www.biblioireland.com/2994/speaking-yet-limavady-presbyterians-and-balteagh/
Regards, Michael.
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Hi.
I don't have the book but if you can give details of what you are looking for perhaps we can help. If it is Balteagh I would assume it was Loughery.
Regards
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Hi,
Thanks for your interest. Yes it is the Loughrey name I'm interested in!
A search in Griffiths Valuation of Ireland had highlighted clusters in several locations in the county including Balteagh, so I was hoping to find out if the name appears in the book, which has earlier dates.
My ancestor is Henry b c1771 who married Margaret/Agnes Fowler.
Kind regards, Michael.
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Hi,
It is getting quite late, for me, but tomorrow I will have a look at the 1831 census and the 1796 Flax Growers Register. I also have a book on the history of the Presbytery of Limavady which I will look through. The 1740 and 1766 Protestant householders will have to wait until I can get to the library at Coleraine although I may have to go to Belfast to see the 1766 census.
Regards
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I am also looking for a Henry Loughrey of that generation in the general Limavady area - his daughter Elizabeth married Robert Blair around Ballykelly before 1830. I found a Henry marrying Ann Doggett in Tamlaght Finlagan CoI in 1806 and a daughter Mary Ann baptised in the same church in 1808. Robert and Elizabeth's children were also baptised there through the 1830s and 1840s, but there is otherwise no reason to connect "my" Henry to the man in the earlier parish entries. I believe Robert came from the Claudy/Feeney area (per family stories) but have no evidence.
Any ideas/help gratefully received.
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Michael,
Here is what I have found.
1831 Census of Co. Londonderry
Parish of Balteagh
Sally Lougherry
James Loughery
Widow Loughery
Denis Loughrey
Samuel Loughrey
William Loughry
Parish of Tamlagtfinlagen (Henry only)
Henry Loughery
Henry Loughry (townland of Woodtown specified)
Ordnance Survey Memoirs dated 1835 for Parish of Balteagh
William Loughry proprietor of the Drumgaveny Rolling Mill for Flax
William Loughery was the Mill-man of Drumgaveny Flax Mill
From the descriptions these were two seperate mills but it is not clear if they are different men.
An extract from a book on Limavady referring to Balteagh Presbyterian Church
" The Lougherys can be traced back as farmers in Drumgavenny until prior to 1746 and descendants have farmed in Drumagosker, Gortnarny,Aughansillagh and the Walk Mills.
Sorry there is nothing more specific.
Regards
William
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William,
Many thanks for taking the time to locate those names in Balteagh. Perhaps as my research progresses, some connection with my line may be found.
Would you be able to check for other Loughreys in this Census please?
Did the 1831 Census carry any additional information, such as age, relationships and occupation?
You may have seen my earlier post of 29 December in which I explain the connection with the name MANN.
Thanks again, Michael.
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William - many thanks for that. I must make a trip to PRONI to find out household numbers. Were there many other Loughrey households in the parish?
Michael - The surviving 1831 census returns give only the name of the head of household with the number of males, females and servants (and their religions) in each household. Its on microfilm at PRONI in Belfast.
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Hi again,
Had a check on the Flax Growers Registerof 1796. This lists those farmers who had Half an acre of land prepared and manured ready to accept a Flax crop between April and July of that year and who could apply for a free spinning wheel or loom, depending on the amount of land. The intention was to encourage the linen industry. I think that the above is fairly accurate. I have selected the names and areas in which you are interested.
BLAIR
Samuel x2 Bannagher (Feeny)
Samuel Upper Cumber (Claudy)
William Balteagh
William Upper Cumber
Anne Balteagh
Rev. Daniel Tamlaghtfinlagen
MANN
Thomas Magherafelt
LOUGHREY
Hugh Upper Cumber
John Drumachose (Limavady, close to Ballykelly)
I tried several other spellings and got nothing
Regards
PS the name William at the end of my last posting was an error on my part. Either too early in the morning or old age!!
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I have the book "speaking yet" in front of me :) if you need me to look for anything
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Hello Rhubarb,
Thanks or your interest.
My particular interest in the book, as you may have seen from the above and a previous posting, is trying to locate where my Gt Gt Gt Gt Grandfather Henry Loughery may have originated. Other posters have directed me to a number of locations where the surname is quite common, such as Balteagh.
I am hoping that one or more of the tables might have the surname, or that there is a mention of the name in the earlier part of the book.
Also I am looking for the name Mann. Henry's daughter Jane married James Mann - and had 6 children and one grandson born in the county between 1834 and 1850, before they all appeared in the 1851 Census in Wigtownshire, Scotland.
Sorry about the gabble but I suppose I am hoping to see the Loughrey and a Mann names together!
Kind Regards, Michael.
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Hi kingkerswell - or should I call you "not william" ...
My old age got my posts out of sync., so I must thank you for that additional information you supplied earlier. Hopefully these names will prove in time to have a connection with my family. 'tis early days.
I have spent hours and hours staring at a parish map of the county to get my bearings, this after years of getting to know every nook and cranny of South West Scotland!
Thanks again, Michael.
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In the 1851 census, How old were they all? was the grandchild living there also?
ages may be able to narrow it down a bit
I will send you a personal message
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Hi Rhubarb,
Many many thanks for that very informative PM. I am very grateful.
As to the 1851 Census, which was taken at Stoneykirk, Wigtownshire, the occupants of a cothouse called "Loughries" were:
Henry Loughrie Hd ? 80 Pauper Lab Retd IRE
Agnes Loughrie Dau W 48 Visitor & Servant Wig Portpatrick
Sarah Jane Smith G Dau U 17 Gen Lab IRE
Janet* Loughrie Dau W 45 Visitor Wig Portpatrick
William Mann G Son U 25 Visitor’s son IRE
Elisabeth Mann G Dau U 23 Visitor’s dau IRE
George Mann G Son U 10 Visitor’s son IRE
Martha I. Mann G Dau U 7 Visitor’s dau IRE
Mary Mann G Dau U 2 Visitor’s dau IRE
Robert King G Son** 10m Visitor’s son IRE
*Also Jane/Jean **Actually son of Elisabeth
Absent from this group – and this census it seems, is another G Dau., Agnes Mann who would have been aged about 16 yrs (born Co. Derry) who joins the siblings by 1861 census. Perhaps she was still living in Ireland in 1851. Elizabeth named Co. Derry as her birthplace in a later census.
Death and marriage and death registrations of the siblings I have checked so far named their parents as Jane/Janet Loughrie and James Mann, notwithstanding her maiden name appearing in this census.
I have shown all the details in the hope that a fresh eye will see something that deserves closer attention.
Apologies for the squiffy list but I can't work out how to tidy it up, the preview looked nothing like my original composition!!
Kind regards, Michael.
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For what it's worth - on the marriage cert of Alexander Gibson (of Carrick,parish of Balteagh)and Mary Ann Rosborough on 9-3-1856 in Bovevagh Cof I. One of their witnesses was James Loughery. Agnetta
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Dear Michael,
I have found a copy of "Speaking Yet" in my library. On page 15 is a list of Protestant Householders in Balteagh Parish-1740.
Do you want me to print the entire list?
Yours etc., Newgent
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Hello Agnetta,
Thank you for that.
The above 1851 Census would suggest that "my" James Mann had died earlier; between 1848 and early 1851.
Kind regards, Michael.
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Hello Newgent,
Yes I would like a sight of that list. Perhaps you can PM it?
Kind regards, Michael.
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I dont know how to PM but here's the list.
(original spelling retained)
GLEBE Wm. Wallace, John Wallace, Wm. Beer, Joseph Boyd, Wm.
Essin, Robert Pain, James Anderson.
ARDMORE Wm. McCauslan, John Tate, Henry Tod, Francy Dinsmore,
Wm. Jackson.
DRUMGESH John Bredin, James Crawford, Andrew Moody, James Adams,
Robert Guy.
CARNET John Horner, Joseph Holmes, James Horner, John Clerk, Wm.
Read.
TERRYDOO John Walker, John Fulton, Wm. Anderson, Abram Fulton, Widow
Carr, Mick Clyde, Joseph Kile, Adam Clyde, John Clyde.
LITTLEDERRY Widow Scott, Thos. Read, James Read, Saml. Jackson,
Robert Jackson, Sanders Craiton, Joseph Scott, John
Donolly, James Linn, Wm. Oliver, John Oliver, Robert Logan,
James Fleming, Alex Fleming.
ACHINSALLOGH Wm. Blair, John Blair, Wm. Moore, John Cosky, John Ross,
Wm. Ross, Joseph Ross, Hugh Craig, Robert Linton, David
McClenn, Robert Freesar, John Hopkin, Wm. Colwell, John
Colwell, Wm. Hopkin.
LISLAAN James Oliver, David Delap, Widow Oliver.
DRUMAGASHER John Parkhill, Robert Hunter, John Hoge, Widow Hoge, Hugh
Millar, James Lindsay.
BELLYMULLEY wm. Shannon, David Simpson, Wm. Thompson, James
Thompson, Guilbert Carr.
EDENMORE Robert Carr, Thos. McLeester, Mick Anderson.
DRUMSARN Hugh Rankin, Robert Houston, James Ross, Samuel Ross,
Thos. Dooglas, James Long, Henry Fowler, John Long, Wm.
Fowler, Robt. Adams, Robert Beard.
Newgent
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Protestant Householders in Balteagh Parish-1740 (continued)
THE MAIN John Dooglas, James Dooglas, Joseph Dooglas, Saml. Elver,
Geo. Peery, John Adams, John McCrakan, Rob. Love, Geo.
Selfrig, Saml. McClenan, Danl. Delap, Arsble Robinson, Wm.
Brice, Henry Barton.
CLOHOGLE James Whiteside, David Moore, James Cristy.
BELLYWHIN Widow Robinson, James Scott, John Scott, Wm. Anderson, Robt. Murril, ArsbleMcM
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Protestant Householders in Balteagh Parish-1740 (continued)
THE MAIN John Dooglas, James Dooglas, Joseph Dooglas, Saml. Elver,
Geo. Peery, John Adams, John McCrakan, Rob. Love, Geo.
Selfrig, Saml. McClenan, Danl. Delap, Arsble Robinson, Wm.
Brice, Henry Barton.
CLOHOGLE James Whiteside, David Moore, James Cristy.
BELLYWHIN Widow Robinson, James Scott, John Scott, Wm. Anderson, Robt.
Murril, Arsble McMichel, James Murril.
TULLYDREENON David Ervin, WM. Guiler, John Whiteside, John Hendry, John
Torrens, David George, Arsble Car, John George, John
Peoples, John Piper, James Wilson, Geo. Glen, Allen
Shannon.
CARRICK James Gaat, Hugh Gaat, Wm. Mecum, Thos. Anderson, James
McClenn, Thos. Steel.
BALLYLECKRY James Logan, Robt. Shannon, Robt. Neil, David Allison,
Robt. Forsythe, James Hendrey, John Forsythe.
Newgent.
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Hello Newgent,
Many thanks for that great list.
I am sure many, like me will find it fascinating reading. Of particular interest to me there is that the name Fowler appears, as I am looking for a Fowler who married Henry Loughery.
Kind regards, Michael.
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Hello Michael,
I thought that you may be interested to know that my G Uncle, Thomas McLean, travelled to California in 1910 with his friend, Henry Lochrey. They were both from Londonderry and I know that my G Uncle's family originated from the Limavady area. Do you think that this Henry Lochrey could be linked to yours?
Melonsmum
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Hello melonsmum,
It would be nice to think there was a connection. ;D
My ancestor Henry Loughrie/Loughrey must have died soon after the 1851 Census when he was already 80 years old, so the Henry you mention would, I guess, be two generations younger. However Henry seems to be a fairly uncommon name, so it might have been passed down?
Do you know anything else about your Henry other than your G Uncle's link with Limavady?
Kind regards, Michael.
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Hi Michael,
I know that in 1910 Henry's parents lived in Derry City and that his father was called Edward. The 2 lads were on their way to stay in Los Angeles with Henry's uncle, James Brandon. You can see the Passenger list on www.ellisisland.org
My Aunt remembers that the McLeans & Lochreys were good friends. I'll ask her if she knows anything else about them.
Melonsmum
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Protestant Householders in Balteagh Parish-1740 (continued)
THE MAIN John Dooglas, James Dooglas, Joseph Dooglas, Saml. Elver,
Geo. Peery, John Adams, John McCrakan, Rob. Love, Geo.
Selfrig, Saml. McClenan, Danl. Delap, Arsble Robinson, Wm.
Brice, Henry Barton.
Newgent.
I hope you don't mind me coming rather late to this thread.
I'm descended from the PERRYs (or PEERYs as I see above) of The Main (or Maine) near Drumsurn, Co. Derry.
Thanks for posting the 1740 householders list, Newgent.
I'm back as far as gr-gr-gr-grandfather Joseph PERRY (1796-1872) who would be a few generations adrift from Geo PEERY in 1740.
Would I be right in thinking that the records documented in this book plus what is held in PRONI account for all surviving records from this church or might there be other records like session minutes still held at the church itself?
Gerry
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Mulvenna,
The 1796 Flaxgrowers Register lists a Joseph Peery (Perry) in the parish of Balteagh. He was given two spinning wheels.
Regards
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Thanks for looking that up Kingskerswell.
Appreciated.
Gerry
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My Husband's ancestor was the Samuel Loughery on the list of Loughery's. He lived in Maine Balteagh, he was married to Anna McCloskey. The known children I have for him so far is:
Margaret Loughery b. 18 Aug. 1819, M. William McKay, 13 May 1845 in Balteagh, d. 28 Aug. 1914 in Thornburg, Iowa, USA
George Loughery, b. abt. 1820, m. Elizabeth???, d. 10 Feb 1884 Maine, Balteagh
Ellenor b. 15 May 1827
Mary Loughery b. abt 1829 M. James McKay 25 Oct. 1855,she d. 2 Feb. 1899 in Myroe, Londonderry.
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The William Loughery, on the list in the census in 1831, had a Flax Mill in Drumgavenny in 1858. My husband's William McKay/ McCay/ McCoy was working in his flax mill and listed on the 1858 Valuation.
This is from a history of Drumsurn:
Loughery’s Mill
The Roe Valley was an important linen manufacturing centre and there were at one time seven flax scutching mills around Drumsurn. Scutching is the process where the woody stalk of the flax plant is broken away from the long linen fibres.
Loughery’s Mill close to Drumagavenney Burn was one of these water-powered scutching mills, which fell into disuse after World War Two. Although the roof has collapsed, the water wheel and some of the original machinery remains, as well as the mill dam.
Cottages for the scutchers were built at the foot of Long’s Lane. They were closely arranged around a square clearing and had their own gardens and orchards. Scutchers were allowed to keep the flax stalks, known as ‘shouse’, to light their fires. Around 1900 the thatched roof of one house caught fire during the night. The fire spread quickly and all five houses were burnt to the ground. Of the families that lived there, only the Mullans stayed in the area.
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Hi Judi my name is Alan Loughery from Balteagh. I can possibly help you with some information on the Loughery line you are looking to trace.
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I have Lougherys, McQuistons and McKays all from Balteagh in my family tree and would be very interested in making contact. When you have made three posts you should be able to send me a PM.
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No problem. Another good source of reference is the book Roots in Ulster soil by the Reverend Mullin. Its long out of print but has family trees of lots of families in the Balteagh area. I have it somewhere. It is mostly about the Mullin/Mullan connection but with marriages etc other families are brought in. There is a tree for Lougherys in it. Will look it out.