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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: trchilds on Sunday 04 January 09 05:28 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I have my great grandfather's birth certificate. It shows the registration district of Greenwich in the sub-district of St Paul Deptford. His name was Walter Thomas Child, born 16 February 1885 at 280 Lower Road.
His parents were William Robert Child and his mother was Maria Child (nee Shipp). I am looking for information on them and ideally would like to find out their , marriage date and their respective birth and death dates.
Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated.
Tom
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This looks like the marriage (from Freebmd)
William Robert Child - Dec 1869 Qtr - Depwade 4b 632. Maria Shipp is at the same ref:
Would need assistance from census sleuths to confirm whether this is correct of course.
Kanskar
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The marriage reg posted by Kanskae seems to be the correct one- although by census 1871 they had a 7 yr old child - possibly from a previous marriage or poss an illegit child of maria's
I have them on census 1871-1901 -I think it is going to be complicated following this family
William changes p.o.b. from Norfolk to Suffolk back to Norfolk
maria is consistent with Norfolk
They were married in Norfolk
The children seem to go by their middle name on some census -their forename on others!!!
I will post the census details and then look up the birth regs of children - it seems your Walter Thomas used the name Thomas in 1891
When I have posted the census I will then see if I can find william and Maria pre marriage
Sit tight -its going to be a bumpy ride!!!!
Suz
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1871
Lee Terrace
4 lower Rd
Deptford St Pauls
William Child Head M 25 labourer at Tanyard Norwich Norfolk
Maria wife 25 Statston Norfolk
Frederick son 7 Peckham Surrey
William R 10mth Deptford Kent
RG10 746 15 23
Ill now look up Frederick and William's birth
I think it will be easier to understand if I post in stages
Suz
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possibilities for frederick are
Birth freeBMD
Frederick William Child Dec qtr 1864 Mutford 4a 677
(if he was William's child)
Frederick H J Shipp Mar qtr 1866 newington Surrey 1a 205 (if he was Marias pre marriage)
Problem is in 1881 there is a child James F age16 b Norfolk - whether this is Frederick from 1871 I do not know???
Birth reg FreeBMD
William Robert Child Sept qtr 1870 greenwich 1d 695
Suz
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1881- name entered as Childs!
9 Robinsons Place
Rotherhithe Surrey
William R Childs head M 36 mason's lab Suffolk
Maria wife 36 Norfolk
James F son 16 brewers assistant Norfolk
William son 11 Deptford Kent
Charles son 7 Rotherhithe Surrey
Ada daughter 5 Rotherhithe
Gerge son 3 rotherhith
Harriet daughter 1 Rotherhithe
Birtha daughter 4 mths Rotherhithe
RG11 578 4 1
now for the birth reg's of extra children
Suz
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Births FreeBMD
Charles Edward Childs Dec qtr 1873 St Olave 1d 317
Ada Alice Child mar qtr 1876 St Olave 1d 344
George Arthr Child Dec qtr 1877 St Olave 1d 338
Harriet Jane Child Dec qtr 1879 St Olave 1d 329
Bertha Florence mar qtr 1881 St Olave 1d 317
Suz
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1891
11 Robinon Terrace St Pal Deptford
William Child head m 45 gen lab Ipswich Suffolk
maria wife 45 Norwich Norfolk
Charles son 17 shop assistant Rotherhithe Surrey
George son 14 Errand boy Ritherhithe
Florence daughter 11 Rotherhithe (Birtha in 1881)
Ellen daughter 9 Rotherhithe
Thomas son 7 Deptford kent (Walter T in 1901)
Rose daughter 5 Deptford Kent
mary Ann daughter Deptford kent
RG12 498 54 24
Suz
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FreeBMD Births
Ellen maria Child Dec qtr 1882 St Olave 1d 311
Walter Thomas Child mar qtr 1885 Greenwich 1d 1093
Rose Emma R Child Mar qtr 1887 Greenwich 1d 1023
mary Ann Child dec qtr 1888 Greenwiick 1d 1019
Suz
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1901
26 bestwood St
Rotherhithe
William Child head M 55 Frncett? Norfolk
maria wife 55 Norfolk
Walter T son 16 Biscuit Baker Deptford
Rose daughter 14 Deptford Feeble minded
mary daughter 2 Labour Iron Deptford
RG13 398 67 17
Suz
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Hi Suz,
THANK YOU for all that work, it is very helpful. This branch of my family, like alot of others, moved around alot and this has made tracking them very challenging.
I do appreciate your time and effort in helping me!
Regards from a very snowy Canada.
Tom
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I think the only way to get further back is to purchase the marriage certificate of William and maria - that should give father's names and occupations -also witnesses may be related.
There are a couple of possibles for both of them - there are 2 maria Shipp births reg months apart in the reg area where it seems the best posibility for the birth to have been registered.
William Robert doesn't seem to e ale to decide where he was born -so his faters name would help a lot (or lack of father's name -as there is one William robert who seems to be illegit.
Now you have appeox birthdates you can check through BMD to see if there are any deaths which seem to fit.
We awoke to snow this morning -but alas by the time breakfast was over - so was the snow.
Just ask if you need any more help with this family
Suz
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Birth Reg of James F now sorted (from Freebmd):
James Frederick Ship - Depwade 4b 228 - Sep 1864 Qtr
Kanskar
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for clarity -
1901 - William's birthplace Frncett? - Forncett (Depwade Reg Dist)
1871 - Maria's birthplace Statston - Starston (Depwade Reg Dist)
Both places are in Norfolk.
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thanks for checking that kanskar.
Problem with William he changes his mind about where he is born!!!!!
Suz
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Hi everyone,
Plodding along with the search and appreciate any and all help that is given. I am trying locate a few things.
1. When my Gr-Grandparents were married. Their names were Walter Thomas CHILD (B Feb 18, 1885 at 280 Lower Rdsd., Kent) and Alice Elizabeth WOOD (B Sept 20, 1883 at 3 Caitlin St., Surrey).
** I can confirm they had their first child, Thomas, in 1904, then a son named John in 1907.
2. Any information on the parents of Alice Elizabeth WOOD (Frank WOOD and Jessie Caroline PINSENT)
Thanks again and take care.
Tom
Peterborough, CANADA
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Hello again,
This looks like Alice Elizabeth with her parents
1891
4 Coir villa steele rd Wanstead essex
Frank Wood head m 35 Printer compositer Whitechapel Middlesex
Jessie c wife 35 ? London city
George h son 10 scholar Camberwell Surrey
Alice E daughter 7 scholar Bermondsey surrey
Sydney son 5 Scholar Camberwell Surrey
Edith C daughter 2 Stratford Essex
Jessie G daughter 3 mths Wanstead essex
rg12 1350 18 30
suz
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1901
5 belton rd
wanstead essex
Frank Wood head M 47 Compositer printer Whitechapel London
Jessie C wife 43 London city
George H son 20 Compositer Camberwell London
Alice e daughter 17 tailoress Bermondsey london
Edith E daughter 12 Stratford essex
Jessie G daughter 10 Wanstead essex
Frank son 8 Wanstead Essex
Charles son 6 Wanstead Essex
Dorothy daughter 5 wansted Essex
Albert son 2 Wanstead essex
RG13 1610 40 28
Suz
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Marriage
FreeBMD
1877
Frank Wood
Jessie Whitechapel
1c 744
Birth reg
Jessie caroline pinsent
Mar qtr 1858
City of London
1c 80
suz
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1881
23 bonemy st
camberwell Surrey
Frank Wood head M 27 Printer Compositer Whitrchapel middlesex
Jessie caroline wife 23 City of london
george H son under 1 mth Camerwell surrey
Sarah F Taylor servant W 67 Monthly nure Wandsworth
RG11 699 116 53
Possibly frank in 1871
Chatham barracks Kent
Frank wood 18 Bugler rifle Brigade Whitechapel middlesex
RG11 699 116 53
suz
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and 1861
Lambeth St whitechapel
Sophia Wood head M 49 Bonnermaker
Joseph son 20 Coopers asst
Annie daughter 14 Pupil teacher
Walter son 11 scholar
Frank son 7 Scholar
all b london
RG9 272 62 28
Suz
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Poss Frank' parents and siblings
1851
40 lambeth st whitechapel mddsx
henry wood head M 39 Cooper Journeyman Whitechapel Mddsx
Sophia wife 39 Spitalfields Mddsx
henry son 15 Pupil Teacher St george mddsx
Charles son 14 errand oy St georges
Joseph son 10 scholar Whitechapel
Ann daughter 4 scholar Whitechapel
Walter son 1 Whitechapel
Arthur 4 mths Whitechapel
Mary lamb Lodger W 45 laundress Deptford kent
Joseph W lamb lodger's son m 23 St George
Elizabeth Mainsy Lodger 66 Nurse Essex
Mary Harris lodger w 74 Furrier Ryye Sussex
HO107 1546 217 13
(coincidence- in 1871 jessie Caroline, parents and siblings lived at this address!!!! jessie Caroline's father was a tailor.)
( in 1851 next door to the Woods was Joseph banks who was a tailor and lodging house keeper - his brother and sis in law and their children and lots of lodgers lived there too - maybe the woods next door took in "overspill" from the lodging house. Wonder if jessie caroline's father lodged there at some time???? )
1841
Lambeth st Whitechapel
henry Wood 29 cooper
Sophi 30
Henry 5
Charles 4
Joseph 10mth
all b in county
HO107 716 10 24 6
you really need Franks marriage cert to be certain of fathr - but I can't see another likely candidate
Suz
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Now for jessie c
IGI extracted
jessie Caroline Pinsent
born 11 dec 1857
christened 17 jan 1858
St Peter Cornhill London
parent george pinsent/Elizabeth
Suz
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1871
40 lambeth St Whitechapel (addrss same as the Woods in 1851!!!!)
George Pinsent Head m 56 Tailor Newton Abbott Devon
Elizabeth wife 49 Covent garden london
Elizabeth may daughter 20 tailoress St Edmunds Mddsx
Jessie daughter 13 scholar St Peters Cornhill london
Alice daughter 7 Bishopgate londo
maud mary granddaughter 6 mth Whitechapel
rg10 522 60 25
1961
George Pinsent head M 46 tailor Newton Abbott devon
Elizabeth wife 39 Tailoress Covent garden St Paul Msddx
George son 17 Porter Covent Garden St paul
Thomas son 15 porter St clement Danes London
Elizabeth daughter 10 scholar St Nicholas london
Emily daughter 7 scholar All hallows London
Jesie daughter 3 St Peter London
Walter son 1 StPeter London 1
RG9 227 107 29
1851
ThreeKings Court St edmunds London
George pinsent head M 36 tailor Newton abbott Devon
Elizabeth wife 29 Covent garden mddsx
George son 7 scholar Covent garden mddsx
Thoma son 5 scholar St Clement Danes Mddsx
elizabeth maria daughter 1mth london City
HO107 530 318 21
suz
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Just been looking at the birth of Walter and Alice' children- you state you can confirm they had a son Thomas in 1904 and son john in 1907
Walter and Alice didn't marry until 1905
marriage freeBMD
Jun qtr 1905
Greenwich
Walter homas Child
Alice Woods
1d 1635
and in 1911 they have no children with them on census night
I cannot find a matching birth reg for these children??
Could you give their p.o.b. and where you had the information from??
Suz