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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: CBGenealogy on Saturday 03 January 09 13:21 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
Can anyone make out the surname of this person?
She registered the birth of an ancestor and was present at the birth.
I know that there were some ladies called Eliza in the family and I suspect her to be a married sister but I can't make it out. It doesn't help that the "her mark" obscures the first letter.
Also the address looks like 12 Digges St - would you agree?
Many thanks,
Purpeller
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*aysuit?
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Hi Purpeller,
Could it be Hayam? (Or Hayden?)
My first guess was Briggs Street but well ... it's just a guess :P
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Hi Tati
I was given a tip by an old lady I met whilst reviewing some parish registers. When you cant read the name properly put a piece of paper on top and try writing over the letters this way you get a feel for the flow of how it was written. In this case you would need tracing paper. I was a bit sceptical about it till I tried it but it does work
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the surname looks like it ends with ayaue. doesn't help much though!
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When and where did the birth take place ???
mab
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Dublin birth in 1875
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I think that I am seeing:
Eliza Lucy N(?)aysmith
I think that I would go with Briggs Street too.
What are you trying to find out?
Could the address have been a hospital? In which case the person may simply have been a member of staff ensuring that the birth was registered in order to comply with regulations that may have left them subject to a fine otherwise.
[modified: the word in superscript is probably just "her" as part of the "her" ... "mark" indication]
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There is a Digges Street in Dublin.
mab
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I simply just want to know the surname. This family didn't have anyone born in a hospital until my own generation so I think it's very unlikely. The rest of the entry gives a Kevin's St address as the place of birth. To me, the name looks like Hayam. Also, I am not aware of a Briggs St in Dublin but there is a Digges (I am from Dublin).
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I go with Eliza Hayam. and her mark:
her
Eliza X Hayham
mark
Gadget
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For what it's worth, I read it as Eliza Hayam. 12 Digges Street.
Jennifer
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Hi Purpeller,
The reason that I thought the name possibly began with "N" is the similarity, though it is shorter, than the initial on the word "Mark".
Also the writing appears to flow on into the next column, although without knowing what is written there it is impossible to tell whether it goes on or just overlaps.
The capital letters are unfamiliar although I have now seen quite a lot of Victorian period handwriting.
If you have the name Hayam in the family, do you have other instances of it written at around that time?
Perhaps you could find out from a directory who was living in that address in Digges Street at the time?
Sheila
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Hi Dudley,
I don't think the name Hayam exists at all, there's no instances of it on the 1911 or in the current phone book, that's just what it looks like to me. It just overlaps with the next box - it ends where I've cropped it and the next box has "Eighteenth November" as the date the birth was registered, a week after the actual birth. I thought of directories and I have access to Slaters 1881 on Irish Origins but you can't search a street, just a name in a town.
Thanks,
P.
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I actually thought the first letter of the name was a G :-\
mab
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I think it's a "G"
Gayam? Gaysem?
eadaoin
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I did a query on Anc**try for Eliza Gayem born Dublin Ireland and I found a Eliz Gayem born Ireland on a passenger list.....so that is a possible surname.
mab
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i thought i'd have another try today on the surname but i'm none the wiser!
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In these instances I find it useful to compare the letters to other letters on the page that were written by the same person. I think we could help more if we could see more of the writing.
The first letter looks like G to me, so it would be useful if there were another G on the page to compare it to.
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Ok, here is the whole entry.
Image removed. Only a small portion of BMD certificates may be posted for clarification purposes.
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Thanks, I think it's Digges Street now, because the first letter looks very like the D in David, and not much like the B in Butcher.
Unfortunately there is no G anywhere else to compare with.
The word below the name is definitely "Mark" because we can see an M elsewhere (in Male) written with a lovely flourish, and also the K at end is like the K in Kevin.
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As suggested earlier, I also think it may be Hayden.
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Dear Purpeller
Some late input which I hope does not offend.
My source work on the Irish Times contains the following for No.12 Digges Street for January 4th 1886:
John Heslin- Jailed for Burglary
Regards Quaxer