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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: ardchronie on Friday 02 January 09 22:50 GMT (UK)
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Hello all and Happy New Year
I've been tracing the family of James and Anne Bache who lived in Birmingham. He was a glassblower and they married in 1843 in Handsworth. I have managed to trace most of the family through the census returns and they seem to have lived in Ladywood/All Saints for most of their lives. They do appear under various spellings (Bach, Back, etc even as Bates in 1861), but I've managed to dig them out. All, that is, except for 1871.
By this time, the elder children were married and had left home, but the strange thing is I have found all the younger children apparently living with a Mr and Mrs Maler, but there is no sign of James and Ann. I've tried all sorts of spellings, possible misreadings and mistranscriptions - anything I could think of, but to no avail. I even tried searching with just the initials in case they had fallen foul of the law and ended up in prison or hospital, but while there were some JBs, none of them were glassblowers. I guess there must be some reason why the younger children have been left with someone else, and the more I can't find them, the more curious I am getting!
So I'm stumped and wondered if anyone here had any suggestions or had come across a similar problem and had any tips.
Thanks very much
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The family are called Neale rather than Maler. If you look at the census you can see it and then cross referenced with child Wilfred George.
However, I think that they are a separate family group too - it does say 'son' etc but they are at a different address.
best wishes
heywood
PS do you have the parents in later censuses or might they have died?
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Hello Heywood
Thanks - I see what you mean about Neale. I wondered about the Bache's being a separate family group, as it looks like they are next door - also Alfred is 17 and probably old enough to be left in charge. Was a bit confused by Alfred being down as son rather than head - but I wonder if that means Mum and Dad were around, just not there on census day?
James and Ann do turn up again in 1881 and 1891 - he's now no longer a glass blower, but a watchman. James lasted until 1897 while Ann went before him in 1895, so I'm quite curious to find out what they were up to in 1871, just to round off the picture!
I'd better keep searching!
Thanks for your help
Tessa
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yes I thought that too .. they would put son etc if parents were still alive but I have looked and can't see anything. I wonder were they just missed off. Did they move house between 1871 and 1881 - that might be a clue. If they were still at same address, they might have just been missed off.
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Just been having a look to see where they were in 61 and 81 - only the 61 address is a bit hard to read, so we got distracted trying to figure it out!
It looks like they were in ?Blues/Bleur Street West in 61 and by 81 they had moved to 1 George Street West which looking at an old map on line looks like it was only just along the street. So it seems possible that they were still in the same place in 71.
Perhaps they were simply missed out, or were travelling back from visiting other family or something. Just my luck! :)
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts and help!
Best wishes
Tessa
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Hello
James and ann Bache were my great great grandparents there son Henry was my great grandfather, I know when they died and various family facts.
How are you related to them, I'd love to here from you.
Anne :)
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Hello! How brilliant! James Bache was my great great great grandad, and I'm descended from his daughter Louisa.
It would be great to compare notes - I've been looking at the family through the census years and have become quite attached to them! They seem to have moved to Manchester for a little while just after your great grandad was born before coming back to Birmingham.
Goodness only knows what sort of cousins how many times removed we are, but lovely to meet you online! :)
Tessa
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hello
is there amy bache
was anne's maiden name eades
sylvia
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Hi Sylvia
There's an Amelia, but no Amy, and Anne's maiden name was Probin.
Sorry!
Tessa
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Hi Tessa
How wonderful I am descended from Gertrude Bache which was Louisa's sister, I have never met any of the Bache side of the family before my mom is still alive she met Lizzie Bache and William Bache as well.
I would love to meet up and exchange information with you my mom will be over the moon about this.
Here's my personal email address we could arrange to meet if that's okay with you.
email:
Hope to hear from you soon
Anne
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I'm digging a bit of an old thread up here but anyway here goes. I also have James and Ann Bache in my family tree, and that is as far as i have got, would like to get in touch with the two with similar relations in there tree to see if any information could help me. Let me know, cheers.
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Hi! My James and Anne are James Bache, born in Birmingham in 1823, and Anne Probin, also born in Birmingham in 1822. They had 11 children (that I've been able to find!) and he was a glassblower for most of his life.
Does that sound like your James and Anne? I've only managed to get one generation back from James and I think possibly 2 back from Anne, but every little helps, as someone once said! And it's always nice to share stuff with someone just to double check anyway.
Let me know if they match up!
Thanks
Tessa
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Hi, I believe they are the same ones. James is my great-great-great grandad. Although i can only find them with 4 kids (from the 1851 census), because they seem to dissapear for a while after this. There son Henry Bache born 1850 is my great-great grandad. Would be great to find out about the other siblings that must have been born after the 1851 census?
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Hi,fell for this myself, but there is a page missing from the 1871 census which makes it look like the Bache children are staying with the Malers BUT the Malers live at No120 while the Bache children are living 125 Spring Hill, the page between which would show the Bache family is missing
Keith
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Oooh! Thank you, Keith!
So much for all the wonderful and romantic theories I had made up to explain their absence! I never thought about a simple missing page.
But that's lovely to have that cleared up.
Thanks again
Tessa