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I have a couple of photographs of Dingle Lodge, Spring Hill which looks like a lodge at the entrance to some larger house.
I know that John & Priscilla Miles (my 2xgt-grandparents) were living in Dingle Lodge, Chipping Campden in the 1901 census.
The enumerator's notes for district 2 of Chipping Campden actually lists "Dingle Lodge (new)" but I have been unable to find any other reference to either Dingle Lodge or Spring Hill in Chipping Campden.
Does anyone know the whereabouts of Spring Hill?
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I searched for "Spring Hill Bristol" on Google Earth and hey presto, there it was as viewed from 6000 feet but in Chip'Cam' no joy but I suppose the Old Maps site might show something on a 100 year old map.
Chas
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Hi Suecee
An internet search brings up a few references (which seem to be in Blockley)
http://members.shaw.ca/panthers5/KeyteBlockley.html
Andy and John Malin were great friends when they attended the Chipping Campden Grammar School. He being a cousin came to stay with John’s parents at Dingle Lodge, Springhill. The now demolished Lodge at the foot of Kennel Hill. John spent similar holidays at Andy’s home in Station Road, Chipping Campden.
Another part of the same site notes that the Lodge was demolished in the 1960s.
I hope that is helpful?
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi
Thanks for your replies guys.
I have researched the Blockley and Chipping Campden parts of the Cotswold site and have drawn a blank. I did find the 1901 census for Blockley which said that Dingle Lodge was demolished in 1960 but as its occupants were William Brook (retired jockey) and family it is obviously not the same Dingle Lodge that John and Priscilla Miles were living in 1901 at Chipping Campden.
I also looked at the original census image for the Blockley one and it is actually listed as Lower Dingles Lodge which is not the same thing at all.
I have looked on the old-maps site at maps of 1890, 1903 and 1924 and can find no trace of Dingle Lodge or a Spring Hill - lots of springs marked all over the place but no Spring Hill. I was hoping there might be someone with local knowledge who might know something.
Just found a reference to Spring Hill Horse Trials which gives a Spring Hill 8 miles out of Moreton in Marsh on the A44 towards Boadway, follow signs to Broadway Tower and the little road brings you out opposite the drive to Spring Hill Estate.
Haven't got time to follow that one up now (daughter requires computer) but that looks very promising as it looks like it comes out to the west of Chipping Campden.
;D
Sue
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I guess there might be more than one but the site I quoted gives the place as Dingle Lodge, Spring Hill - seems unlikely that the address would match so precisely.
Having said that, plenty of springs in the area!
As you say, Spring Hill is clearly marked on the modern OS map at the top of Fish Hill, to the south of the A44. Will be up there on Monday if you need anything?
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Hi Arranroots
I have been checking back in the censuses and Dingle Lodge and Lower Dingles Lodge are definitely two different places. William Brooks lived at the latter in 1901. He was a jockey/groom who in previous censuses lived in the neighbouring Jockey Stables. In 1891 it was listed as "Spring Hill R'd, Dingles Lodge", in 1881 I think it may be what is listed as "Spring Hill Jockey Stables Lodge" and in 1871 possibly just "Spring Hill Lodge"
This must be the one demolished in 1960.
My Dingle Lodge is in District 2, Chipping Campden and Lower Dingles Lodge is in District 7, Blockley. The two districts are bordering but distinct. I am guessing that the new Dingle Lodge caused the other to be referred to as Lower Dingles Lodge to avoid confusion.
I looked at a modern map and found many of the farms and several of the cottages mentioned on the 1901 census (save Dingle Lodge) but still can't find anything on the old maps.
From it's position on the enumerator's list (between Happy Lands and Campden Ashes) it is quite likely to be at the entrance to the Estate.
Looking on the Google satellite map, there are a couple of buildings at the entrance to the Spring Hill Estate at the bottom of Fish Hill but I can't tell whether either is Dingle Lodge.
Should you be passing by the Estate entrance perhaps you could look for the building. I could send you a photo if that would be helpful.
Regards
Sue
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Hi again Sue
Yes, I realised that there are two buildings (and two sets of occupants) but I am inclined to think that they both belonged to the same estate - would you agree?
Which estate though? Is it the one represented as Spring Hill Farm on modern maps (in which case it is at the top of Fish Hill)?
How about contacting these folk: http://www.chippingcampdenhistory.org.uk/
Is this the same place? Part of Northwick Park and note lodges plural!
http://www.northwickparkpolishdpcamp.co.uk/language.htm
An interesting website in itself - do you recognise any of the buildings
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Hi Arranroots
I have spent hours piecing a map together using the little bits the OS site provides - and eventually I have a map that covers the area.
Armed with that I was able to properly follow the directions given for the horse trials at the Spring Hill Estate and realised it takes you to Spring Hill House. I then switched to Google satellite maps and started to search from the beginning of the driveway for any sign of a building - nothing. Then I followed the drive up to the house and then around the back where the dotted lines of the OS map go into the Dingles - and lo and behold on full zoom there is a house which pretty well exactly matches my photos. Twin Gables, two chimneys and a wall running behind with woodland at the back. (Grid ref. approx SP133338)
I will contact the Campden history folk and see what they can tell me about Spring Hill House as I would love to go and find this place and it might help to know what Dingle Lodge is now called.
Thanks very much for your help.
Regards
Sue
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That sounds very promising, Sue!
Let us know how you get on - it's due to snow, so I might take a rain-check (snow check?) on exploring on your behalf but maybe in better weather ...
:)
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Hi Arranroots
I have contacted the CADHAS who have been very helpful but no-one has heard of Dingle Lodge. They have given me the name of the current occupant of Spring Hill House and I have written to him to see if he can help me.
Spring Hill House isn't on Fish Hill it is just southeast of Seven Wells and closer to Snowshill. I can't see a Spring Hill Farm on my map.
The Polish camp was not in the immediate area of Spring Hill House but a bit further north near Cross Hands and it moved to Northwick Park in about 1951. I am not sure whether the two lodges are part of the same estate as Spring Hill appears in the Broadway district for all censuses and my Dingle Lodge is in district 2 Chipping Campden and the other lodge in district 7 Blockley. It has been too well carved up to tell what belongs where.
I'll keep you posted.
Sue
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It's not easy, is it?
;)
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Hi Arranroots
I have been in contact with the current owner of Spring Hill House and he has confirmed that the house I had identified from the satellite map is Dingle Lodge although it has been known as Keepers Lodge for at least the last 50 years.
He has also said that he would be delighted for me to visit at any time to see the lodge - so a great result! I think though that I will wait for better weather in the spring to visit the area.
Sue
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That's fantastic, Sue! :D
Don't go next week unless you have your snow gear on!
Let us know how you get on.
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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I have a couple of photographs of Dingle Lodge, Spring Hill which looks like a lodge at the entrance to some larger house.
I know that John & Priscilla Miles (my 2xgt-grandparents) were living in Dingle Lodge, Chipping Campden in the 1901 census.
The enumerator's notes for district 2 of Chipping Campden actually lists "Dingle Lodge (new)" but I have been unable to find any other reference to either Dingle Lodge or Spring Hill in Chipping Campden.
Does anyone know the whereabouts of Spring Hill?
If you want to know anything about Spring Hill Farm or Dingle Lodge contact the Blockley Heritage Society at
www.blockley-heritage-soc.co.uk
They will be able to fill you in on the above. The "farm" was part of the Northwick estate formerly owned by Captain Edward Spencer Churchill 1st cousin of Sir Winston.
My researcher page where you will also find almost all of Blockley's parish registers along with census from 1841-1901 is www.allthecotswolds.com I run Blockley's parish council web site from the West Coast of Canada
Arranroots mentions on this chat the site for the old Polish refuge camp that was at Northwick, my cousin in Blockley was a reporter for the Evesham Journal covering a lot for them, also became a member of Blockley council for over 30 years and still after over 25 years a tour guide at Snowshill Manor
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That's fantastic, Sue! :D
Don't go next week unless you have your snow gear on!
Let us know how you get on.
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
I see you also mentioned one of my web bages:
http://members.shaw.ca/panthers5/KeyteBlockley.html
Linked to my http://www.allthecotswolds.com site
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Hi Panthers - and welcome! :)
Some nice resources you have there and it's good to know that you're gathering the sort of information we need.
I hope you are enjoying Rootschat
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Panthers - and welcome! :)
Some nice resources you have there and it's good to know that you're gathering the sort of information we need.
I hope you are enjoying Rootschat
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
Hi Thanks
I am currently working with a cousin in Blockley, my tree on Genes Reunited and the parish registers to link all families of Blockley by marriage, with those resources I have the tree up to 12,800 and counting
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Hi Panthers1
Thank you for the suggestions, I will certainly pursue the Blockley Heritage Soc. I have already made good use of your Cotswolds site, particularly in the days before the 1841 and 1851 censuses came online. The Blockley 1827 census was an extra bonus.
The parish records have also been very useful for my Webb family of Blockley and Barnet family of Chipping Campden. When I returned to the site to try and find out more about Dingle Lodge I discovered interesting items that you must have added more recently.
Keep up the good work it is much appreciated. :D
I have now found out from birth and death certificates found when clearing out her home that my grandmother's younger brother was born at Dingle Lodge in 1900 and died there age 3 days. No-one in the family knew anything about him other than there had been an infant son who had not survived but as the rest of the family were born in London or Sussex I had searched fruitlessly in the wrong place.
That knowledge has now made Dingle Lodge more than just a name.
Thanks all
Regards
Suecee
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Hi Panthers1
Thank you for the suggestions, I will certainly pursue the Blockley Heritage Soc. I have already made good use of your Cotswolds site, particularly in the days before the 1841 and 1851 censuses came online. The Blockley 1827 census was an extra bonus.
The parish records have also been very useful for my Webb family of Blockley and Barnet family of Chipping Campden. When I returned to the site to try and find out more about Dingle Lodge I discovered interesting items that you must have added more recently.
Keep up the good work it is much appreciated. :D
I have now found out from birth and death certificates found when clearing out her home that my grandmother's younger brother was born at Dingle Lodge in 1900 and died there age 3 days. No-one in the family knew anything about him other than there had been an infant son who had not survived but as the rest of the family were born in London or Sussex I had searched fruitlessly in the wrong place.
That knowledge has now made Dingle Lodge more than just a name.
Thanks all
Regards
Suecee
Contact me via my email address on the cotswolds web site (used to have 280+ researcher pages on there along with 700+ census pages) want to know more about your WEBB + BARNET fams - I am connected to the WEBB's and BARNETT 1778 Blockley too
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Also, have emailed my cousin in Blockley who happens to be a cofounder of the Heritage Society asking him about Spring Hill and Dingle's Lodge (not mentioned in the Blockley through 12 Centuries book that I have - BUT both the WEBB and BENNETT families are :D)
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From my cousin John Malin in Blockley:
Now about Dingle Lodge. One of our relations Richard Turner lived there
from 1920 and died there in 1925. I lived there with my parents from 1934 -
1949 before doing National Service. The Lodge was demolished in 1958. Have
a photograph somewhere which I will download to you shortly.
Photo is attached
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Hi Panthers1
Thanks for posting the picture but it is not my Dingle Lodge, yours must be the Lodge that was known in 1891 as Dingles Lodge and in 1901 as Lower Dingles Lodge - perhaps to avoid confusion with the newly built Dingle Lodge.
I'm posting a picture of mine which is on the Spring Hill House end of the Dingles plantation. Lower Dingles Lodge was at the other end near the Old Jockey Stables. The current owner of Spring Hill House assures me mine is still there and remarkably unchanged.
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Thanks for that, sending image to cousin in Blockley
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Hi
My mothers family lived in Spring Hill Lodge in 1851. James Ivins his Wife Mary Ann Ivins. They had 10 children all born in the lodge.
I live in Yorkshire but have made the journey to see the old lodge. I have an OS map ,1919 Stow on the Wold and District. It shows a small mark on the three lane junction, one of which is the road to Broadway Tower, at the end of the main drive to Spring Hill House. A short distance S/W from Seven Wells Farm.I take this to be the lodge.
The lodge is no longer there. I went to the Spring Hill House and was greeted cordially by the owner. He told me that the lodge was demolished in the 60's, I saw in one of the letters that they mention 1958 so it is quite possibly the same place. He said it was a very small place only a couple of rooms, flagstones on an earthen floor and no water and in his opinion not fit for habitation.
There is mention of dingle lodge in the mails, I wonder if this could be the same place.
There has been a picture uploaded on to a mail but my new membershire seems to exclude me from downloading it.
I would love to see the photo if it is possible to send it to me on
Moderator comment: email address removed to prevent spam and other abuses. Please pass personal email details by Personal Message. Billy, you will need to make a couple more posts before you can use the system - you can reply here a couple of times, for example.
Regards
Billygeorge
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Hi Billygeorge
I looked at a possible site for my Dingle Lodge at the western side of the estate at the main entrance to Spring Hill but realised that it wasn't the right one as mine wasn't built until around 1900. There are a confusing number of lodges around the estate at various times. Yours would have been the main lodge, mine is on the eastern side of the estate and away from any main roads so not obvious. There was also a Dingles Lodge near mine but belonging to the Northwick Estate (both so named because they were located at either end of the Dingles plantation.)
Panthers1's cousin kindly took a photo of my Dingle Lodge a few weeks ago and it has hardly changed in over 100 years. He may have some information on your lodge - maybe even a picture.
You travelled a long way to look for Spring Hill Lodge and as I live a little nearer I have no excuse for not making the pilgrimage some time soon.
Regards
suecee
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Cheers for getting back to me Suecee
I first went to find the lodge last year while on Holiday at Boughton on the Water. Surprising enough I bumped into a farmer in that area who's wife came from Seven Wells farm and remembered the lodge before it was pulled down. She said she would look to see if she had a photo of the old place but as I never heard from her I guess she couldn't find it. The owner of Spring hill House didn't have one ether. I was there again on Easter Monday and had a poke about in what is now a copse of trees. I found some brickwork that supported the idea that the lodge was indeed there.
Mmm if we didn't like a search we wouldn't do the ftree thingy would we!
BG
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Dear All.
New to this forum so not sure how this works, or even who might see this reply. I am currently the occupier of Keepers Lodge, which, if I read correctly, is probably the new Dingle Lodge. (distinct from Lower Dingle Lodge). My family have lived in the lodge for the past 50 years.
Its a beautiful spot.
Carlton
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Hello Carlton - welcome to Rootschat :)
How amazing that you should find your way on here.
I still haven't managed to get over to see "Dingles Lodge" now Keepers Lodge. I did write to the owner of Spring Hill House and had a lovely reply saying that I would be most welcome to visit, I think perhaps now this is the right time to come!
Regards
suecee