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I am looking for the birth records of Isabella DIAMOND born 1888 Belfast.
Father Michael DIAMOND (deceased pre 1914) & mother Rose Ann. Don't know her maiden name.
Isabella move to scotland sometime between 1901 & 1914. Famiyl rumour has it tht her family remained in Ireland.
can anyone help me?
Regards
Amanda
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I am looking for
Isabella DIAMOND born 1888 Belfast. Parents Michael DIAMOND & Rose Ann Diamond. MIchael died somtime before 1914.
I know Isabella moved to scotland between 1901 & 1914 but family members think her family were still in Ireland.
I would love to find more if anyone can help me. Unfortunately Isabella is not on BVRI.
Many thanks
Amanda
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Hello Amanda,
This looks like a tough one.
No specific date of birth, no address, no maiden name for Isabella's mother and no specific date for her father's death. It looks as though someone will have to do look ups in both the 1901 Census and all the Belfast and Province of Ulster Street Directories published between 1900 and 1914 and note all Michael Diamonds. This may establish the address of the family. Were they of the Roman Catholic faith ?
Best Wishes, Christopher
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Hi Christopher,
I am not too sure if they were Catholics Isabella DIAMOND was my Grans mother and she was Protestant until she married my grandfather and switched then, so as far a i know her mother must have been protestant too (although not sure ).
Isabella's mothers maiden name was noted on marriage cert as DIAMOND although i am not sure if this is because Isabella didn't know otherwise or if it is correct.
It is from the marriage cert that i have got Isabella year of birth. I have searched the 1901 census for her in Scotland and found no matches so far!
I would really appreciate any help anyone can give.
Thanks for your reply
Amanda
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Hello Amanda,
I do not know if this information will be useful or not - http://www.proni.gov.uk/ulstercovenantsearch.
The Ulster Covenant 1912 is showing a number of Diamonds. I've checked 11 men's names.
If you think of a few more check them at this site and post the ones with the Belfast addresses.
The results I obtained are as follows -
Michael Diamond - Portrush, Co. Antrim
Edward Diamond - Baden Powell Street, Belfast
Robert Diamond - 200, Antrim Road, Belfast
Samuel Diamond - 59, Crumlin Road, Belfast
The following either lived in the country or produced a nil result -
Albert, Alexander, James, John, Thomas and William
Best Wishes, Christopher
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Hi
i know you have 1888 for Issabella but found this
Diamond female b 29/3/1874 at Portrush Antrim
father Micheal Diamond
mother Rose Ann Robinson
audrey
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Hi don't know if this will help.
1896 Belfast
Bell Diamond Spirit & Grocer 24 Albion St of Sandy Row.
As far as i know Bell is sort for Isabella.
Sandy Row is a Protestant part of Belfast.
Anthony
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Hi
i know you have 1888 for Issabella but found this
Diamond female b 29/3/1874 at Portrush Antrim
father Micheal Diamond
mother Rose Ann Robinson
audrey
Hei Folks,
I hope you've made a couple of typos there Audrey. Your Isabella born 1874 and another Isabella born 1888 is no problem. That was common. A child died and another one born sometime later would have been given the same name. The problem that I see is one was born in Belfast and the other in Portrush. The later child was born in Belfast but moved to Scotland. There was a sailing from both Belfast and Portrush to Scotland. There's still a bit of research required to see if we are looking at one or two different families here.
Best wishes, Christopher
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Chistopher
the only reason I added that one was I thought it could of been the same family I realized it was much earlier than the Isabella that you were looking for
audrey
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Hi ,
Thanks for taking time to help me.
Christopher, that site is really interesting, and the Micheal DIAMOND certainly looks as though he could be the father of the Isabella, Audrey mentioned, being in Portrush.
Anthony, thanks for your suggestion, Isabella went on to marry a BELL when she came to Scotland. It would be quite srange if this were to be her families premises.
I really am a bit lost where to turn with all this as all my research so far has been mainly Scotland, I really do appreciate these suggestions, it is certainly keeping me right anyway!
Amanda
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Hi Christopher.
Having a further look through the site you recommended i found 3 women matching Michaels details, (area, place of signing, agent). Michaels entry didn't show an address.
The women were:
Roseann, Quarry St, Portrush
Martha, 11 Kerr St, Portrush
Mary, Sheer St, Portrush
The more i am looking, i reall think this is the family of the Isabella mentioned by Audrey. I have nothing on paper to show Isabella was from Belfast. The only confirmation of this information was from my Aunt! I would really like to hear what you think and any suggestions on where to go from here!
Many thanks for alll your help so far.
Amanda
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Just wondering if you ever succeeded in you quest for info re Isabella Diamond and parents . I ask this because I am also descended from Michael and Roseanne and still live in Portrush. I have examined all our Church of Ireland records and have birth dates and deaths for all entered. Isabella had a brother Joseph who was my great grandfather - he and his eldest son both died in WWI in 1917 - 6 weeks apart. If you are still searching I will get my records out. FYI - Lower Kerr Street = Albert Place = Quarry Court. The rock was quarried out of the hillside to help build the harbour amongst other things and was known as Quarry Court because of this. The houses in it were built in 1860 - hence the Albert Place but it eventually became known by the Poat Office as Lower Kerr Street and by the locals as Quarry Court - both these names were used alongside each other. The houses were demolished a few years ago - I have photos before they were knocked down. Nothing has been built in their place and you can still see the tiled outline of the floorplans. At one time there were Diamonds in 3 of the little houses
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Joseph Diamond (age 46), 12th Bn. Royal Irish Rifles, died 9 Feb.1918 at Leeds from what sounds like pneumonia or some other respiratory illness (buried Old Ballywillan Cemetery)- left wife and 6 children.
His son Joseph, 1st Bn. Royal Irish Rifles, died 7 May 1918 (age 22) and was buried Gwalia Cemetery.
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YES - I HAVE COPIES OF THEIR ARMY CARDS AND PHOTOS OF THEIR GRAVES. JOSEPH WAS BURIED IN A FAMLY PLOT BOUGHT BY ROSEANNE AFTER MICHAEL DIED - THERE ARE ABOUT 8 BURIED IN IT.
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There's also supposed to be a plaque in Trinity Parish Church, Portrush (your earlier post said Joseph and son died 1917 but it's 1918).
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Yes, sorry, must have hit the 7 instead of the 8 and not noticed.
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Also, Joseph lied about his age - he was born on the 14th May 1899 so he was just shy of his 19th birthday when he died
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Hi, my family, the Faiths, resided in Quarry Court Portrush. I was wondering if it is possible to get a copy of the picture of these houses prior to being demolished? It would be truly appreciated. Thanks also for the information re Quarry Court/Lower Kerr St. I've been trying to pin down exactly where Quarry Court was, with no luck.
Just re the Diamonds.....John (Jack) Faith b. 1877 married Lizzie Diamond, not sure if she's part of your Diamond family line.
cheerio
janie
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Looking at this thread I wonder if I link into the Portrush Diamonds. My GGM was Mary Diamond who married Willie John McCann in Our Lady and St Patrick RC on 13/02/1881. Her Pension Application compared to the 1851 census for Bendooragh and indicates she was born in 1849. The recently released Irish Catholic Church Records have only one Mary Diamond baptised in the Down & Connor Diocese between 1845 and 1855. She is the daughter of James Diamond and Betty Darragh baptised in Portrush/Bushmills on 11/12/1849. Her father`s name was James according to her marriage certificate. My grandfather, Patrick McCann, was a cousin of Henry (Harry) Diamond MP. Is anybody able to provide any more information to give authority to the supposition that James Diamond and Betty Darragh are my ancestors?
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...The recently released Irish Catholic Church Records have only one Mary Diamond baptised in the Down & Connor Diocese between 1845 and 1855. She is the daughter of James Diamond and Betty Darragh baptised in Portrush/Bushmills on 11/12/1849. Her father`s name was James according to her marriage certificate. My grandfather, Patrick McCann, was a cousin of Henry (Harry) Diamond MP. Is anybody able to provide any more information to give authority to the supposition that James Diamond and Betty Darragh are my ancestors?
You need to remember that not all records survive/are online so the record you found may/may not be the correct person.
Does the 1851 census list any older siblings? if so, have you searched for their baptisms, marriages, etc. to see names of parents, location, etc.?
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Aghadowey, I thank you for your interest.
Now that the National Archives in Dublin are posting pension applications I have been revisiting my Diamond brick wall. My Mary Diamond`s application from 133, Cavendish St., is confirmed by the 1851 Census referral where she is shown as a 2 year old living with an older brother, James, 4 and sister Elizabeth aged 6. They and their parents, James Dimond (sic),26, and Betty, 24, are listed as relatives of the householder William Biget or Bigart, 45. The final resident of the house is Nelly Dunphy, 75. Interestingly there are two separate rejected applications from a Margaret Jane Diamond. One was made from the residence of Sarah Diamond, 3 Rockmore Rd Belfast and the other from the household of William Diamond, Balnamore, Ballymoney. Both refer to living in the same Biget household as my Mary Diamond but there is no Margaret Jane on the Census return suggesting that she was born after the Census was actually taken. Margaret Diamond and John McCann married in Belfast on 11/06/1893 whereas my Mary Diamond married Willie John Mc Cann in Ballymoney on 13/02/1881. I have looked unsuccessfully for marriages between Diamond and Biget, Bigart and Dunphy but have not looked at marriages for Mary`s siblings I will have a go at that and also try to find out more about the witnesses to any marriage I find.
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Biggart (Biggert, Bigger, etc.) is a surname found in the Ballymoney area.