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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: farmerjosephine on Wednesday 31 December 08 04:18 GMT (UK)
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Hello Folks MOORE and REID names any connections?
Looking for any descendants of the Charles Moore family (of aerated drinks factory) Bridgeton Glasgow
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the Family of Andrew Reid and Jane Park b 1847 Saltcoats Ayrshire who had a biscuit factory in Glasgow
regards
Jo
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Hi! I'm a 'newbie' to this activity but, have an Ayrshire "Reid" friend in Australia who did some research, I'll e-mail this 'link to him.
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Hi Jimmuck,
I note that you are new to this site, you have committed a no-no already, you are posting your query on another persons query this does not help people. Perhaps you can go back and modify your entry by removing your query, and open a new one where rootchatters will try and help you.
Tom
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Oh my God, I'm sorry to have committed a "No! No!" but, as you noted, I'm a 'Newbie' and here I thought I was contributing to a "Reid Thread" and would be providing an answer to THAT REID'S QUERY'
I was unaware that we had to start separate Threads for each 'Family name' please forgive my exuberance and mistake.
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Hi Jimmuck,
Thanks for your prompt action, did not mean to sound bossy, but to assist you getting more out or Root Chat. If 2 subjects in one it gets messy, I will have a look at this subject, will look out for the other post, too.
Tom.
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Hi Jo,
Having difficulty finding Charles Moore in any census, did he stay in Glasgow. I have found note of Dunn & Moore, which was formed by amalgamation of Joseph Dunn bottlers and D & C Moore. If you have anymore info on him, please post.
Tom
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Hello again
Thankyou Tom and Jimmuck.
Jimmuck, I have sent an email to you re Reid and a possible Australian connection.
Tom, Charles Moore with his wife Agnes, aerated water manufacturer was at 155 Morduant St Bridgeton Glasgow in the census of 1891. I am unsure if his place of birth was N Ireland or Glasgow, 1867. I understand that he later married a Margaret Simpson.
Regards
Jo
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Hi Jo,
The 1891 census states Charles Moore was born in Glasgow, he was aged 23 in census dob approx 1868. In the 1901 census, he is still shwn as born Glasgow, but aged 34 which makes dob 1867, he has moved out of Glasgow to Brownside Road, Cambuslang, and has 6 children and a house servant, too.
Tom
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In the 1970's a family Simpson which owned the company which produced 'Moore's Gold Label' lemonade lived in Patterton, near Newton Mearns. Their house was off Capelrig Road, near to Williamwood School (I believe they have since left the area). There were two daughters, Elizabeth and Margaret, names which occurred frequently in their family. Both girls went to Laurel Bank School in Glasgow (subsequently Laurel Park School) and I think both married and moved eastwards into the Central Belt.
Moore was the surname of the founder of the company and a grandfather or great-grandfather of the girls. I understand that Dunn and Moore was a separate company.
I believe these may be the descendants of the Moore of which you speak. I cannot help you with the Reid connection. Hope this helps.
Sorry, not Williamwood school, Eastwood school. And I note the Laurel Park old girls website is down. Possibly someone at the Whitecraigs lawn tennis club may still be in contact.
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Andrew Reid is my Great Granduncle. He appears to have been a great "rags to riches and back to rags" story as he ended up in the Perth Prison for the Criminally Insane. He does have connections with Australia. In fact he was part owner of the "James Craig", now the flagship of the Sydney Heritage Fleet, originally launched as the "Clan McLeod" in 1874. He was also an owner of the "Andrew Reid" which ended her days in Australian waters. His uncle William died at Nine Mile Rush, Whirro, Australia. Contact me for lots more info on this family line.
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Davidfromgalloway;
I am interested in your post. My great-grandfather Charles Moore Simpson owned the company in the 70s. He had four sons who ran the company after him. As far as I know there were no daughters, unless it was the daughters of one of the sons (ahh confusing, sorry!). I was wondering if you wouldn't mind giving me some more information you have, or if there is another Simpson family you are referring to?
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Hi, My name is Charels Moore Simpson. My Grandfather was Richard Simpson. After my Grandfather's death my Father and his 3 brothers ran "Charles Moore's" originally from the Gorbals in Glasgow and subsequently from Lawmoore street following the fire. It was My Uncle Glen (second eldest) who had daughters Elizabeth and Margaret.
By the way, why the interest?
Charles Moore simpson JR
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Hello Charles,
I couldn't resist answering your 'why the interest?' question.
If you are at all interested in tracing your family history, you'll no doubt soon discover that it becomes quite an obsession and all 'Moore's' (for example) become of interest, whether or not they end up related to the particular line or family being traced.
It's discussions like these which soon turns up lots of valuable family links and information previously unknown.
Anne.
P.S. Welcome to Rootschat! :)
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To ssimpso and others,
Here's what I have, after a chat with my Mother:
Charlie and George Moore operated C & G Moore in Glasgow. Charlie Moore was married to my Grand Father's sister Margaret (I think). Margaret had at least two other sisters, Elizabeth and Mary. Charlie Moore had one son who died in WW I. Elizabeth (GA Bessie had no children & Mary was never married) - again I stand to be corrected.
So - Richard Simpson (my Grandfather) came home from the war (WW I) and with no job, joined C & G Moore. Charlie and George had a disagreement and Charlie left and started Charles Moore's. George continued with C & G for a wee while, but later joined up with competitor Joseph Dunn to form Dunn and Moore.
With no heirs, Charlie finally let Richard buy into the company and eventually buy it.
Richard Simpson married Nora Simpson and had 4 sons: Richerd (Dick), Glen, James (Jimmy) and my father, Charles Moore Simpson.
Dick: Leonora and Richard
Glen: MArgaret and Elizabeth
Jimmy: Russel and Victoria
Charles: Chales and Glen.
Hope this helps,
CMS jr.
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to ssimpso
From other posts and particularly that of 'goldlabel' the family I referred to are direct descendants of Richard Simpson and presumably relatives of yourself. I went out -all too briefly - with one of the girls in the early 70's. I saw the above thread and thought I could help the query.
I hope my contribution has been of some use to 'farmerjosephine' as it seems to have made clear a family line associated with Charles Moore, although there is a contradiction between 'tidybooks'' post that a Charles Moore had 6 Children and a servant, and 'goldlabel's information that he had no issue (possibly no male issue, possibly another person of the same name, possibly victims of the higher incidence of infant mortality?). As 'apanderson' has implied, one becomes interested despite oneself. (I wonder how the reid query is going).
D
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Hi Goldlabel and davidfromgalloway & all,
The Charles Moore I found in the 1901 census, is listed as an Aerated Water Manufacturer at Brownside Road, Cambuslang born in Glasgow in 1867, his wife is listed as Agnes, born 1869 Glasgow. The children are Agnes b 1888, Annie b 1890, Maggie b 1892, Helen b 1894, John b 1895 & Charles b 1897. There was a servant called Martha Gardner aged 16. All children born in Glasgow.
This must be a different family, unless it was the young Charles b 1897, he may have had a younger brother born after the 1901 census called George.
CMS Jr mentions that his Charles Moore married his grandfather's sister. Would need to prove who sister was and work backwards presumably to get correct Charles Moore.
Tom
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Hi again,
The Charles Moore (senior) in the 1901 census, was married in 1888 to Agnes Hutchison in Calton, Glasgow, as found on Scotland peoples website. This proves that it is not the same family as Goldlabels grandfather who was a Simpson.
The correct marriage is Charles Moore to Margaret Anderson Simpson in 1907 at Blythswood reference 644/10 0467 I think, as SP only returns 1 result to Charles Moore marrying a Simpson.
Tom
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I'm disappointed that I have never heard back from farmerjosephine. Perhaps I was not clear in my post that my Great Granduncle Andrew Reid who died in Perth Prison for the criminally insane was in fact the Andrew Reid who was a biscuit manufacturer in Glasgow and husband of Jane Park. The Reid part of the query doesn't seem to have attracted much attention. If anyone's interested in this line, I have lots of information.
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The Charles Moore who was married to Agnes (Hutchison) and lived in Glasgow was the same Charles Moore who was married to Margaret(Anderson Simpson). Agnes was the sister of my 2x Great Grandfather James Hutchison. Agnes died in 1907 and Charles remarried Margaret the same year. The 1911 census shows Charles and Margaret living in Cambuslang (could be Chirville(?) Road, Cambuslang). At the time Charles is recorded as being Areated Water Manufacturer (Employer) and in the household are Annie, Daisy, Lena, John and Charles (his children with Agnes), his daughter May (with Margaret) and Margaret's sister Mary. The census records that in 1911 Charles and Margaret had been married 4 years and May was their only child.
Would love to know the connection to Dunn & Moore if there is one. In an earlier census Agnes's brother Robert was living with the family and was employed in the company.