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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Daisy Loo on Monday 29 December 08 21:05 GMT (UK)
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Hi all...
Can anyone direct me to a good English site, that would help me with finding out where the name Pinniger came from?
Doing my family tree, I have found that most of them seemed to have originated from Wiltshire, but I would like to know how to find out the meaning. There are different spelling variations as well :( Pinegar, Piniger, pinigar etc
Thanks,
Daisy Loo
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Hi Daisy Loo
I would normally look at this site: http://www.britishsurnames.co.uk/
but although they list lots of variations for your name, they don't have a meaning for it
This one does though http://www.surnamedb.com/surname.aspx?name=Pinnigar
Barbara :)
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Thank you Barbara...I had that site, and found that meaning...I was hoping someone could come up with another to confirm it...I'm afraid to take just one source... Thanks for the links! :)
Do you think this is a reliable source for meanings?
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Not sure, have you looked at the surname interests tables - click on the tab at the bottom of the page, or click 'search rootschat' at the top of this page and put the name in the search box, I think there are a couple of other people researching the name
Barbara
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Thats a good idea, hadn't thought of that. Thanks :)
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Hi Daisy Loo,
I don't have an answer about the meaning of Pinniger, but I am also looking for info about the Pinniger family. My g-g-grandfather, James Pinniger, came to the US in July 1852. Family history states that he came from Berkshire, England. He was married to Sarah Martin who died in 1850. He came to the US with his 3 children and remarried Ann Deacon in 1853, who was also from England. Any connections to your Pinnigers?
I would greatly appreciate any correspondence....buckeye
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Do you have a birth date for James Pinniger?
Added: My Direct line Pinniger's all came from Wiltshire, (by direct line, I mean, grandparents & siblings) but any of the siblings could have had a son called James. It's not a common name as such, but a nightmare of a name to research, as there are quite a few variations :(
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The date that I have is that he was born Jan. 25, 1818 in England and died March 13, 1870 in Ohio, USA.
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I'll have a quick look for you...how reliable is that date? What was the source?
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I've had a quick look for you, and nothing seems to be coming up.
Have you joined any sites to look for ancestors? I belong to ancestry.c.uk, and I have my family tree up there. It's not complete yet, as I said, I have only done the direct line so far...but I will be adding the branches :) I'll keep an eye out for James :)
You have quite a lot to go on, as you have his wife's name, and his 3 children's name. If you want, you can give me these names, and any dates (ie DOB for children) and I can look for you. But not tonight :D
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Hello buckeye,
Is this your James with his father?
1841 census HO107/21/4 Folio 3 Page 1
Fawley Village North, Berkshire
James Pinegar 50 Ag Lab b. Berkshire
James Pinegar 20 Hair Dresser not b. Berkshire
Elizabeth Pinegar 15 b. Berkshire
Stephen Pinegar 15 "
Joseph Weakfield 10 "
marriage registration:
Dec 1844 Headington 16 159
MARTIN Sarah PINEGAR James
birth registrations:
Mar 1845 Wantage 6 309 PINNEGAR James
Sep 1846 Wantage 6 292 PINEGAR Sarah
Sep 1849 Wantage 6 259 PINEGAR Joseph
death registration:
Dec 1849 Wantage 6 208 Sarah PINEGAR
Can't seem to find them on 1851 census so maybe they had already left the country?
Kind regards,
Barbara
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Thank you for you responses. My source for for James Pinniger's birth is unknown, but his death date comes from his headstone which says "Died March 13, 1870, aged 52 years". The only other info that I have comes from a biography written about local pioneers. It says that he brought 3 children to the US in 1852: James, (my g-grandfather), Sarah Ann, and Mary, after their mother, Sarah A. Martin, died in 1850. It also says that he was a barber. This biography may not be perfectly accurate, but it is all that I have had to go on. I would like to correct any mistakes. I do know that his son James was born Dec. 29, 1843 in England and died Nov. 8, 1923 in Ohio.
The info from the previous message looks to be the correct James. Thank you again for your responses. :)
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Hi,
Well now you have the marriage reference and some possible birth registrations it may be worth your getting at least the marriage certificate, to confirm some details, certainly the hairdressing occupation makes the 1841 census look right. Unfortunately I can't help with passenger lists, but it looks as if they may have travelled earlier perhaps than you thought.
There is a baptism on the IGI for James Pinegar 21 Mar 1819 Chilham, Kent
Parents: JAMES PINEGAR & MARGARET
which could be him as 1841 says not born Berkshire.
Kind regards
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
Thank you for your help. One more question: Where do I write to get the marriage certificate? Would birth certificates or baptismal certificates be at the same place? I have never sent for anything in the UK before. Thank you for your help on this New Year's Eve.
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Hi Buckeye
Here's the link to the online GRO site for certificate ordering. UK Birth marriage and death certs can be ordered online through this website giving the reference numbers I gave you earlier. Certificates cost £7. All the information you need can be found on the website:
www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
I found the marriage and births on freebmd website. You might like to look at the Beginners Boards on Rootschat for lots of good advice about researching
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,290.0.html and
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,47.0.html
For baptisms before 1837 you need to ask for a lookup from parish records, or there is the freereg site where some have been transcribed.
Hope this helps
Kind regards, and Happy New Year
Barbara
:)
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No meaning given here, but it gives an indication of distribution:
http://www.nationaltrustnames.org.uk/Surnames.aspx
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Hello,
I have the name PINNIGER / PINEGAR in my tree.
Do you know of an Elizabeth (Betty) PINNIGER married to a William BELCHER ? They had a son Joseph, born in 1790 in Kington Langley, Wiltshire and christened on 11 July 1790 at Draycot Cerne, Wiltshire.
Thanks Kathryn
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The Old French piegnier a maker of pins seemsthe most likely.
Peter
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Hello,
I have the name PINNIGER / PINEGAR in my tree.
Do you know of an Elizabeth (Betty) PINNIGER married to a William BELCHER ? They had a son Joseph, born in 1790 in Kington Langley, Wiltshire and christened on 11 July 1790 at Draycot Cerne, Wiltshire.
Thanks Kathryn
The only marriage I have for an Elizabeth Pinniger was in 1787, to a William Lewis... I will have a look into the tree further and see what else I can come up with...but you might give me a couple of days...
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The Old French piegnier a maker of pins seemsthe most likely.
Peter
That's interesting, hadn't heard of that one before...thanks Peter. :)
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From Wantage PRs
Burials
1849 Sep 21 PINNIGER Joseph, 7 weeks of Market Place
1849 Oct 30 PINNIGAR Sarah, 32 of Market Place
Baptisms
1848 3 Jul PINNEGER Mary Ann, d/o James & Sarah, Hairdresser, Market Place, born 10 June
1849 23 Aug PINNEGAR Joseph, s/o James & Sarah, Haircutter, Market Place, privately
Ian C
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Hello again,
I now have more info, can someone reassure me that it is correct.
Elizabeth PINNIGER daughter of Richard PINNIGER and Elizabeth LAWERENCE was born 3 Jan 1762 in Tockenham, Wiltshire and married William BELCHER on 4 June 1782 in Christian Malford, Wiltshire,
Died after 1798.
Had children
William 1783
Edward 1784
Ann 1789
Joseph 1790
Lucy 1792
Samuel 1793
Elizabeth 1796
Mary 1798
all in Kington Langley Wiltshire
thanks again Kathryn
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My Pinnigers were rinkworth as far as I have gone back (which isn't that far)...you might want to post your request on the Wiltshire Board and see if anyone can do a look up for you.
Daisy Loo
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Thank you Ian for checking this. It would appear that these are my correct Pinnigers. Before becoming a farmer in the US, he was listed as a barber. His wife Sarah probably died from complications of childbirth. I was not aware of this child, Joseph. Thank you again.
Buckeye
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Hi Ian, sorry to ask a silly question. But, what is Market Place--town, church, county? I can't find anything about it.......Buckeye
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Market Place is the name of the street. It is right in the centre of the town of Wantage. Wantage is now in Oxfordshire. There was a boundary change in 1974 and some of what was Berkshire became part of Oxfordshire. If you go to Google Maps http://maps.google.co.uk/ and type Wantage in the search box, it will come up with Wantage in the centre. If you then zoom in it will bring up the street names and you should see Market Place. On the top right of the map there should be some buttons, one with MAP and another with SATELLITE. If you click on the Satellite one you will get an aerial photo.
It would appear that there were complications with the birth of Joseph and he was not expected to live, hence the private baptism. he may have been premature. You would have to get his death certificate to find out. Similarly with Sarah's death.
Ian C
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Hi Daisy and others
Yes, Elizabeth Pinniger ( born 1762) was the daughter of Richard (1722 - 1801) and Elizabeth Lawrence (1732 - 1797). I can trace back a few more generations if you are interested.
Regards