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Title: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: dobfarm on Monday 29 December 08 00:52 GMT (UK)
Hello,

Could some kind person look up a  Sarah Anne Jones born 1846 Lockwood Huddersfield and Marriage to John Beaumont 1865/6 ish in Huddersfield for the parents name or witnesses etc. in parish reg transcriptions

Thanks for your time
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 29 December 08 01:08 GMT (UK)
Hi

1871 shows husband as James - not John

There is no marriage shown on freebmd - where did you get her maiden name from?

To look up a marriage in parish records - you need to know which church it took place in and also the year and quarter to narrow down the search
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 29 December 08 01:14 GMT (UK)
1871 for Golcar - all b Golcar except Sarah

James Beaumont 34 loom weaver
Sarah 24 b Lockwood
John Milton 3
Sarah Ann 2
RG10; Piece: 4378; Folio: 31; Page: 3
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: dobfarm on Monday 29 December 08 04:39 GMT (UK)
Hi CarolW,

I put this query in as a favour for a friend.

John Beaumont b 1844 in uppethong Holmfirth
Wife Sarah Anne Beaumont b 1846 Lockwood Huddersfield on (I'm told) 1871 c

Son Ernist Jones Beaumont b 1867 Est from census first born and other sibling 71c

Thus you can see where Jones comes from

I think I was a wrong assumption but some do that!

Well again thank you very much for you help.

David
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: dobfarm on Monday 29 December 08 08:08 GMT (UK)
Hi Carol

We found Sarah Ann Jones her born 1848 in Huddersfield on 51c Milnsbridge father Samuel ( Been Told)

There is one entry BMD  marr index About 1866/8 John Beaumont and on his own where it say others on page.

Anyway thanks for trying
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: Pinetree on Monday 29 December 08 09:03 GMT (UK)
This may be of interest:

http://www.intreeg.spiderweb.com.au/www/Genealogy/GEDmill/indiI1756.html

I notice this researcher has QUARMBY as a possible surname for Sara Ann.  There is a Sarah Ann QUARMBY born in Lockwood on 1851 census living with her Aunt.

Pinetree
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 29 December 08 13:02 GMT (UK)
There is no birth reg on freebmd for an Ernest  Beaumont with a middle name of Jones.  I think this is the 1871 census you are referring to - the transcription for Sarah is Sarahj A which is why it wasn't picked up on my earlier search

Leeds Rd Huddersfield

John Beaumont 27 patent valve fitter b Holmfirth
Sarah A 25 b Lockwood
Ernest J 4 b Huddersfield
Charlotte A 2 b Huddersfield
Arthur 2 months b Huddersfield

If her surname was Quarmby - this is the marriage but your friend needs to buy a copy of one of the childrens birth certs first to confirm her maiden name

Marriages March qtr 1865 
Beaumont  John     Huddersfield  9a 367   
Quarmby  Sarah Ann     Huddersfield  9a 367

Births March qtr 1871

Beaumont  Arthur     Huddersfield  9a 348   
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: dobfarm on Monday 29 December 08 20:11 GMT (UK)
Hi Thanks so much for your kind Time and efforts

The Spider link is this family tree I am posting for. Geof has poorly issues at the moment and will be taking over this post with all the input needed.

Your post are of great value.

As I said Geof will answer all soon.

Best regards David and Thanks again
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: HiltonLee on Monday 29 December 08 23:49 GMT (UK)
Thanks David, hello everyone and thanks for the help.
It's only a broken toe that feels poorly, a 4th toe which had a brick-like object fall upon it.
A good excuse for some concerted research.

There's often a clue to identity in my old family records which concurs with census, or in cross examining census itself, but the only slender one in this case is the first-born's middle name of JONES which warrants investigation.

this is a typical clue:

(http://users.tpg.com.au/mjjj/Genealogy/families/Beaumont/John_2nd_and_John_4th.jpg)

on the back - John Beaumont the 2nd with John the 4th

That's my gg Granduncle and presumably the husband of Sarah Ann, the only reference to whom is in census which twice has her born at Lockwood, Yorks abt 1846. John was born 17 DEC 1843, Upperthong, Yorkshire.
I've gleaned the whole family from census and FreeBMD because it ties in with the above photo's caption and the general known location.
Supporting evidence is John and Sarah's absence from home at 33 Cleveland Road, Huddersfield in the 1901 census. John was later a traveller (another photo clue).
There may be a clue to Sarah's identity if she or John can be found in 1901 but I've not found them, as obviously correct.

(Pintree's link is the right tree but if Hilda Beaumont, daughter of Lewis, rings a bell - there's doubt about Beaumont Riding being her husband.)
cheers, Geoffrey
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 30 December 08 00:19 GMT (UK)
Hi

Glad to hear it's nothing too serious and hope it mends soon.

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but the only slender one in this case is the first-born's middle name of JONES which warrants investigation

One of my great grandfathers daughters was given the middle name of Bullock and another daughter McCormick.  Neither name has any connection whatsoever to family members - they were just friends surnames.

The only sure way of finding her maiden name and ensuring you have the right marriage is as I said above

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If her surname was Quarmby - this is the marriage but your friend needs to buy a copy of one of the childrens birth certs first to confirm her maiden name

Marriages March qtr 1865 
Beaumont  John     Huddersfield  9a 367   
Quarmby  Sarah Ann     Huddersfield  9a 367

Births March qtr 1871

Beaumont  Arthur     Huddersfield  9a 348   
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: dobfarm on Tuesday 30 December 08 01:18 GMT (UK)
Hi All

There are other records as NOT all Birth certs give Mothers maiden name. My gran born 1874 Chesterfield Did not have her mums name but found it by where here father was lodging as it was the Land ladies Daughter.

One tip a renowned Yorkshire Genealogist  told me once was to find all the marriage spouse Maiden surnames of said dates. Check the census for these names in the said family as visitors also Neigbhbour's and Streets around as unusual or uncommon to the area. Also he never puts the name he thinks is the person but eliminates others. The told me.

D

Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: HiltonLee on Tuesday 30 December 08 02:09 GMT (UK)
There's a large blank area in the chart surrounding Sarah Ann (I'm working on an unusual concept for charts)  (example here)  (http://www.intreeg.spiderweb.com.au/genealograph/pages/spare.htm) so I agree CaroleW, for once I should afford the luxury of birth cert. but I thought it would mean buying the few likely marriage certs. and then there are apparently a few marriages of John Beaumonts without a spouse listed. My miserable budget may stretch to a cert so I'm trying to narrow it down somehow.

Thanks for the input, much appreciated.
It was also not uncommon for a child to be (middle) named after a Godparent, although I can't say I've come across it.
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: dobfarm on Tuesday 30 December 08 03:56 GMT (UK)
Sarah Ann Jones!- Known birth in Huddersfield 1848, I am trying to find her on 61 c the time nearest the wedding year and would have been 13 then also most likely in service as a servant. Thus may not be on the 61c another possibility is that this Sarah Ann died before 1861 as child death! though have found on buriel.

http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: HiltonLee on Tuesday 30 December 08 04:25 GMT (UK)
She's there at Ancestry:
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3270; Folio: 66; Page: 6; GSU roll: 543106

Name:     Sarah Ann Jones
Age:    13
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1848
Relation:    Daughter
Father's Name:    Samuel
Mother's Name:    Sarah
Gender:    Female
Where born:    Milnsbridge, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:    Linthwaite
Ecclesiastical parish:    Milnsbridge St Luke
County/Island:    Yorkshire
Country:    England   
Registration district:    Huddersfield
Sub registration district:    Lockwood
ED, institution, or vessel:    13
Household schedule number:    27
Household Members:
   
Name    Age

Samuel Jones    46
Sarah Jones    43
Mary Jane Jones    17
Frances Jones    10
Frederick William Jones    8
Eve Emma Jones    3
Adam Jones    3
Sarah Ann Jones    13

Lucky she's 2 years too young or I'd be tempted to look no further.
She's 1848 in both '51 & '61 whereas I think John's Sarah is 1846 in '71, '81 & '91

Lockwood is a seperate parish to Linthwaite / Milnsbridge is it not?
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: dobfarm on Tuesday 30 December 08 05:26 GMT (UK)
if Almondbury main parish lockwood is in Almondbury and Linthwaite, St Peters covers  north Huddersfield,
Lockwood covers lover colne valley but this is census open to error as info from illiterates. Not Recorded Doc's

Rashcliffe upper could be lower Milnsbridge
Stroney Battery lane, Paddock fields Rashcliffe parish

Milnsbridge-lower--valley-----------------\
River Colne
--------Paddock fields Rashcliffe          >---------             Huddersfield
River Holm
Lockwood-lower-----valley----------------/
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: dobfarm on Tuesday 30 December 08 05:35 GMT (UK)
st lukes  (Hospital)is paddock fields and Lockwood Top of Swanlane Lockwood bar. Out side David Brown Engineering Factory. Beaumont Park obove Lockwood cemetery
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 30 December 08 15:43 GMT (UK)
Hi

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and then there are apparently a few marriages of John Beaumonts without a spouse listed.

This is only a problem when the maiden name is unknown.  If known - it is easy to cross ref on the GRO index - see fictitious example below

Freebmd entry shows 2 male entries and only one female on the same page

John Smith
James Brown
Margaret Jones
The ref is March qtr 1850 Huddersfield 51  333

You have the name Sarah Ann Davies from the birth cert so you look at the entries in the March qtr 1850 for Sarah Ann Davies and a ref Huddersfield 51  333
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: dobfarm on Tuesday 30 December 08 17:04 GMT (UK)
Thanks on that Carol.

Happy new Year
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: dobfarm on Tuesday 30 December 08 17:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Carol.

I'm going to go to Wakefield Archive & Dioese records office  in the new year , when there! sniff out these parish years on original parish books as a lot of the early gro index certs marriage and bapts were only copies of these.

Your experienced advice of finding, working how to break down these brickwalls too a true as possible conclusion is invaluable and well recieved.

Thanks again,

Will keep you posted
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 30 December 08 18:19 GMT (UK)
Hi

Good luck - but you will not be able to look up any of the childrens birth certs to get Sarah's maiden name

Without that info - you won't be able to lookup any marriage as you won't know which is the right one

Marriages where a church is known, can be looked up in parish records - just like looking at the marriage cert so you get all the info.  This also applies to IGI marriage entries as long as the actual church is shown
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: dobfarm on Tuesday 30 December 08 18:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Carol,
I will just have to go church by church also none conformist as some are of that faith in this tree are Baptists but do take your point that the children GRO birth certs should hold this answer. Geof like many thinks as I though! to cover all other sources first. Its no cost to me as I spend a lot of time in wakefield anyway with my own business. Hence this web site as first call! these 7 pound certs minimum cost soon add up.when the info may be already out there. Its up to Geof on that.

But you right as certs

Again Best Regards
Title: Re: Look up- Sarah Anne Jones b 1846
Post by: dobfarm on Tuesday 30 December 08 19:27 GMT (UK)
ps- they have free car parking  at this archive and save money 3 pound a day min with long walk otherwise. also its 15 pound a day to photo these books for my own use and single entries can be posted with their approval as long as all other entries  are blanked out or any other info also dedicated to them Ie WYAS .ie in web trees! my camera takes 4000 photos

Dob