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Title: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: chris130872 on Monday 07 February 05 23:59 GMT (UK): the farthest iv got is 1908 when he was married in cradley heath to jenette grosvenor but believe he may have been born in bridgenorth. he was definetley born in 1889. i would appriciate anybody's help in this matter.
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: Iria on Tuesday 08 February 05 00:07 GMT (UK): Hi chris

Do You need the 1891 Census Information?

regards

iria
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: 'Tricia on Tuesday 08 February 05 00:12 GMT (UK): 1891 census:-
RG12/2095
Bridgnorth Folio 9 Page 11

56 The Village,Alverley

John Knowles 35 Stone Quarry man born Alverley
Anne Wife 34 born Tipton
Robert H 15 stone quarry lab born Kinson
Harry age 13 Stableboy born Alverley
Ann E age 11 born Alverley
Rebekan 9 born Kinson
Jane 6 born Alverley
Emma 4 born Alverley
John T age 1 born Alverley.

Alverley registers in Bridgnorth.

Tricia
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: 'Tricia on Tuesday 08 February 05 00:20 GMT (UK): 1901:-

Ann Knowles 44 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Wife Alveley Shropshire
James Knowles 9 Alveley, Shropshire, England Son Alveley Shropshire
John G Knowles 45 Alveley, Shropshire, England Head Alveley Shropshire
John T Knowles 11 Alveley, Shropshire, England Son Alveley Shropshire
Joseph Knowles 1 Alveley, Shropshire, England Son Alveley Shropshire
Louisa Knowles 7 Alveley, Shropshire, England Daughter Alveley Shropshire
Minnie Knowles 5 Alveley, Shropshire, England Daughter Alveley Shropshire
William Knowles 3 Alveley, Shropshire, England Son Alveley Shropshire
Ann Rudge 80 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Mother-in-law Alveley Shropshire

Living 2, Timbrells.

Nice one - you've got a mother in law ;D ;D

Tricia
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: 'Tricia on Tuesday 08 February 05 00:39 GMT (UK): The Rudge family in 1871

Living Martin Street Greets Green, West Bromwich

Ann Rudge 46 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Wife West Bromwich Staffordshire
Ann Rudge 12 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Bromwich Staffordshire
Emma Rudge 17 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Bromwich Staffordshire
John Rudge 14 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Son West Bromwich Staffordshire
Robert Rudge 54 Ledbury, Herefordshire, England Head Labourer West Bromwich Staffordshire
Sarah Rudge 9 Langley, Worcestershire, England Daughter West Bromwich Staffordshire
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: 'Tricia on Tuesday 08 February 05 00:47 GMT (UK): John Thomas' father in 1871 with his parents:-

Elizabeth Knowles 40 Alveley, Shropshire, England Wife Old Swinford Worcestershire
Emma Knowles 2 Kinver, Staffordshire, England Daughter Old Swinford Worcestershire
Harry Knowles 8 Wombourn, Staffordshire, England Son Old Swinford Worcestershire
Henery Knowles 40 Bockleton, Herefordshire, England Head Old Swinford Worcestershire
John George Knowles 15 Alveley, Shropshire, England Son Old Swinford Worcestershire Mary Knowles 10 Kinver, Staffordshire, England Daughter Old Swinford Worcestershire
Walter Knowles 6 Wolverley, Worcestershire, England Son Old Swinford Worcestershire
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: chris130872 on Tuesday 08 February 05 00:48 GMT (UK): thanks your all real stars on here, just hope this is the right family this time or il pull out wot little hair i have left. ;D
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: 'Tricia on Tuesday 08 February 05 00:53 GMT (UK): If this isn't your family you're in real trouble - there isn't another John T Knowles that age in 1901 ;) ;) In fact, you probably don't exist!
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: chris130872 on Tuesday 08 February 05 01:04 GMT (UK): my missus wish's i didn't sometimes. my mom will think iv done well as she's been trying to find this out for a week and she's got no where. she doesn't know about this site though. il let her think im clever for a few more days before i tell her i think i lije the admiration. ;D
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: 'Tricia on Tuesday 08 February 05 01:06 GMT (UK): You naughty boy - I might not let you have Jenette's family now :-\ :-\ :-\

Tricia
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: 'Tricia on Tuesday 08 February 05 15:51 GMT (UK): 1901

Adam Grosvenor 16 Cradley; Heath, Staffordshire, England Son Rowley Regis Staffordshire
Eve Grosvenor 16 Cradley; Heath, Staffordshire, England Daughter Rowley Regis Staffordshire
Hannah Grosvenor 49 Old Hill, Staffordshire, England Wife Rowley Regis Staffordshire
Isaac Grosvenor 19 Cradley; Heath, Staffordshire, England Son Rowley Regis Staffordshire
Jacob Grosvenor 19 Cradley; Heath, Staffordshire, England Son Rowley Regis Staffordshire
Janetta Grosvenor 12 Cradley; Heath, Staffordshire, England Daughter Rowley Regis Staffordshire Samuel Grosvenor 50 Cradley; Heath, Staffordshire, England Head Rowley Regis Staffordshire

All the family are listed as Chain makers except Jenette who is scholar

Living 48 Providence St

Brilliant news ; Has your new contact provided you with Jenette's ancestry?

Can't help with William after 1901 - it's a problem for all of us.

Tricia
Title: william???
Post by: chris130872 on Tuesday 08 February 05 16:08 GMT (UK): Where was he in the 1901 census??? the contact has told me he may have gone to prison but she's not sure when? was there any other children who had left hte family home by the time of the census??
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: 'Tricia on Tuesday 08 February 05 16:32 GMT (UK): Could you tell me William's details - age - birthplace Cradley??
I'll have trawl through. Sorry,I misunderstood - thought you'd lost him after 1901.

Off out for a while

Tricia
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: chris130872 on Tuesday 08 February 05 16:36 GMT (UK): not sure of williams details just know he was jenette's older brother and he wasn't on your list on the 1901 census maybe he was on the 1891 census not sure but iv a feeling he may have left home by 1901 or maybe he was in prison. thanks chris
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: 'Tricia on Tuesday 08 February 05 18:08 GMT (UK): You lucky beggar -another mother in law

1891 Still living 48 Providence St

Samuel Head age 40 Chain maker
Hannah wife age 39 Chain maker
Ann R dau age 20 chain maker
Joseph son age 14 chain maker
William son age 12
Issac son age 9
Jacob son age 7
Adam son age 6
Eve dau age 6
Jeanetta dau age 2
Mary Jennings Wid Mother in law age 76

Birth place for everyone given as Rowley Regis

Tricia
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: 'Tricia on Tuesday 08 February 05 18:45 GMT (UK): Who couldn't find him on 1901?

Hannah E Grosvenor 27 Cradley; Heath, Staffordshire, England Wife Rowley Regis Staffordshire
William Grosvenor 22 Cradley; Heath, Staffordshire, England Head Chain maker Rowley Regis Staffordshire

Living 13 Providence St - near to mum and dad.

In prison, indeed - poor maligned chap, working hard, minding his own business..............

;D ;D ;D ;D Now you really can impress your new relative

Cheers, Tricia
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: chris130872 on Tuesday 08 February 05 21:21 GMT (UK): it seems we have alot of mother-in-laws move in in our family. as long as mine dont try and move in with us ;) thanks again just off to try and find samuel and hanna's parents if im stuck im sure il be back. chris ;D
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: 'Tricia on Tuesday 08 February 05 21:32 GMT (UK): You should be so lucky! My mother in law is Italian! -and she only lives just down the road.
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: 'Tricia on Tuesday 08 February 05 22:26 GMT (UK): In reply to your message- it ain't James!

Joseph Jennings 29 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Son Rowley Regis Staffordshire

Mary Jennings 55 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Wife Rowley Regis Staffordshire

Obadiah Jennings 17 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Son Rowley Regis Staffordshire

Roschannah Jennings 13 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Granddaughter Rowley Regis Staffordshire

William Jennings 54 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Head Rowley Regis Staffordshire
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: 'Tricia on Tuesday 08 February 05 22:32 GMT (UK): In 1881 Mary Jennings was a Boarder at 10 Pear Tree Lane

Mary Jenning abt 1815 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Boarder Rowley Regis
Amelia Shaw abt 1809 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Head Rowley Regis

Both widows
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: 'Tricia on Tuesday 08 February 05 22:40 GMT (UK): Marriage

JENNINGS, William
Quarter: June
1838
District: Dudley 18 418

There is a Mary Smith on the same page

Only sure way is to send for a child's birth cert.

This marriage is about the right time. Rowley Regis registers in Dudley
Title: that would sound about right
Post by: chris130872 on Wednesday 09 February 05 00:35 GMT (UK): the records for marraiges in rowley (online) only start in 1839 so that would be why i couldn't find it. have i told you wot a star you are yet. ;) thanks yet again.
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: 'Tricia on Wednesday 09 February 05 09:34 GMT (UK): Twinkle, twinkle ;D

Is that the Cradleylinks site? I found it when researching for someone in Australia - it's great - wish all areas would do something like that!

Tricia
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: alveleyhistorian on Monday 21 February 05 22:59 GMT (UK): Hi there.
I can confirm -
KNOWLES JOHN THOMAS, baptised at Alveley Church Shropshire, Christmas Day 1889 son of John George and Ann Knowles.

Feel free to visit my website all about the Alveley of yesteryear www.alveleyhistory.co.uk ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: trying to trace john thomas knowles
Post by: alveleyhistorian on Thursday 21 October 10 15:14 BST (UK): Hi there, Please get in touch with me - I have some exciting news - I have been contacted by another family researching the same names !
:) :) :) :)

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