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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: Simon G Roberts on Monday 22 December 08 12:58 GMT (UK)
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My first message on Roots.com!
Any help relating to the Chapple's and Cleaves would be most welcome as have gone cold.
Chapple. - Living in Totnes
Herbert Philip Chapple (b) 1892 Newton Abbot. He had several sisters and brothers Margaretta Jane (b. est 1883), Susan Ethel (b. est 1887) and possibly Jack, however there could be more. I believe their parents were William Chapple and Frances, however I cannot be sure. All children were born in the Newton Abbot area. Any information that might help would be useful.
Cleave. – Living in Totnes
John Cleave (b. est 1805) Ivybridge, married Mary and had 3 children Elizabeth, James and Thomas. He later re-married Ann (b. 1810) from Brixham and had Robert. William Charles and George.
I trying to find out more about John and his ancestry and possibly Mary and Ann’s Maiden names. Again any information would be welcome.
Regards
Simon
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Where does your inof about the Chapple's come from? I cant see a birth for Henry Philip on FreeBMD.
births
Margaretta Jane Chapple
Jan/Feb/MAr 1883
Newton Abbot reg distr ref 5b 143
Susan Ethel
Jan/Feb/Mar 1887
Newton Ab ref 5b 132
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1891
RG12 1700 45 9
East Street Denbury NA
awful writing I will do my best ...
George Chapple 67 Farm labourer
Susana 40
Margetta 8
Mary G 6
Emily 3?
Susan E? 4
John G 9mths
George J 9 mths all bn Denbury
If this is the right family then parents are not William and Frances - where did those names come from?
PS Warm welcome to Rootschat!!!
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Silly me! :-[
Here is Herberts birth ( I was looking for Henry by mistake)
Oct/Nov/Dec 1892
Herbert Philip Chapple
Newton Abbott
5b 114
Getting the cert will confirm parentage for sure
Wish I could get the family on 1901 - no luck yet...
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This could be him - if he was indeed from Denbury
1901
RG13 2072 80 16
6 Victoria Ave Totnes
Richard Pengilly 51 coachman bn Ashburton
Emma 41 wife bn Denbury
Herbert Chapple 8 nephew bn Denbury
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Here is the family I had in 1891 (I think!) - in 1901 - but whether they are Herberts family we have no proof.
RG13 2055 109 3
South Str Torbryan
George widow 76 Navy Pensioner bn Lutton
Mary 16 housekeeper
Ethel 14
john 10
George 10 twins bn Denbury
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Many thanks for the quick response.
I'm pretty sure about the birth place of Herbert Philip, Magaretta Jane and Susan Ethel. (all Newton Abbot). As to their parents I know nothing. Herbert does have a Military medal from WW1 as I have it here. Out of curiosity I typed his name in to google and it came up on Devon Heritage website, listing Gazetted date and parents name, however I it lists him born in Torquay in Oct Nov Dec which isn't quite right, so I'm really not sure they were William or Frances. If not I don’t have anything to go on. It’s a strong coincidence. He got the MM in 1915 France, but this lists 1917 – so thinking about it this can’t be him. Just another brave sole!!!
Once again thanks for the help.
Simon
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There are several Herbert Chapple births in Devon within a year or two of 1892, but nono others with middle name Philip, or in Newton Abbot reg district.
So if you are sure on those facts, it would be worth getting the cert to find his parents.
Looks like there is another person around born Torquay with parents Francis and William - does whatever you read say for sure he had middle name Philip? and was born 1892? Or was he just another Herbert Chapple from Devon who won a medal.
...and of course the important question is - which is yours?
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I'm pretty new to this...
What is the best way to get a copy of the cert....(Herberts birth cert????)
Simon
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Can be ordered online at
www.gro.gov.uk
cost is £7 - if you have the reference - which you have (5b 114)
when you get to the bit that says have you got the ref, click on yes, or whatever - then only complete the bits with red stars.
Remember in your research that "Newton Abbot" in the birth indexes (as it says for Herbert and Susan and MArgaretta) is a registration district, that covers quite an area (Denbury village is in the Newt Abb reg district).
Any thing else we can help with - just ask - Rootschat is a great place.
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Many thanks for the advice. I've ordered a certificate so i'll see what comes back - fingers crossed. Based on the info you found it makes some sense, but who can tell.
Sorry to be cheeky, but was wondering you can find anything out about my other line 'Cleave'. I'm stuck with John Cleave 1805. Not sure how I go back from here as most web based things stop here. Any advice for a complete amature?
Simon
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Once yuo get back pre1837 you are more reliant on Parish registers.
These are not often on line, though you may find some entries on the IGI (searchable free at familysearch.org, "extracted" entries, although best checked out, are worth looking at, "submitted" entries are sometimes no more than someones imagination!) Different area have better coverage than others on the IGI
Local Record Offices will hold Parish registers, I dont know where you live, but it always fun to go and search through them yourself if yuo can - for christeneings, burilas and marriages.
Otherwise, you may find a local rootschatter who has access to them.
Do you know if Henry and Ann married after 1837? (d-o-b for the children might give an indication)?
If so, a marriage cert will give father's name and occupation and therefore be a first step to going back.
Have you got them on any censsues?