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Please can anyone help find Frances Kate CABBLE (CABEL) born approx.1870 (later census states born Odcombe) & she also had an elder brother Charles. This is all I know, but I'm unable to find them in 1881. Desperately looking for their parents. If anybody can find them I know someone on here will as I've received so much help in the past. Thank-you in advance.
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You can try & find a bit more in BMD indexes and also by using the 1871 search on ancestry.
even if you don't get to see the original page you can make some further steps towards cornering their details.
Pauline
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Hi chrissieing,
I see she lists as aged 25 in 1891
1881 possibly
RG11/2389 Folio 147 Page 1
Closworth Rectory
Closworth
Somerset
home of John A Lawrence - Rector of Closworth
Fanny CABLE Servant 18 b Odcombe Parlormaid (Domestic)
Maybe
Frances CABBELL Dec 1864 Yeovil 5c 505
Cheers Kris :)
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Not the lass marrying in Chelsea then ?
Marriages Sep 1888
Cabbel Frances Kate Chelsea 1a 623
Howard Alice Harriet Chelsea 1a 623
LAMBERT Arthur Chelsea 1a 623
One missing male name ....
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Anyways .....
If she is the Frances Kate named Gill in 1901 ...... then PoB is c1870 .....
but ??
Marriages Jun 1888
Burrough William Yeovil 5c 782
GILL William James Yeovil 5c 782
PARSONS Harriet Louisa Yeovil 5c 782
Shire Frances Kate Yeovil 5c 782
Births Jun 1870
Shire Frances Kate Yeovil v5c p506
On the 1871 as Kate - mother is Mercy - but she's born East Chinnock .... hmmmm
RG10/2410; Folio: 83; Page: 5 - East Chinnock
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1871 she is in Dorset
RG10/2018 Folio 45 Page: 10
Pole Bridge
Caundle Bishop
Dorset
APLIN Charles Head 50 b Longbenton Lab
APLIN Louisa Wife 39 b Piddlehinton Glover
APLIN Fanny Dau 18 b Cerne Glover
CABEL Fanny Visitor 5 b Odcombe Scholar
Cheers Kris :)
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Chrissie - did her maiden name come from a child's Birth Cert ? - if so, whose ?
Otherwise, can you tell us why you think her maiden name was Cab* - cant see her in Somerset FreeBMD marriages ?
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Hi all
Chrissie's previous posts....explain that it is an elderly relative who insisted Frances was CABLE, even though Chrissie found all evidence pointed to her being the Frances Kate SHIRE birth registered Yeovil in Jun Qtr 1870.
As we've seen - there are a number of CABBEL, CABBLE, CABLE births reg in Yeovil 1868-1876 but no Francis Kate (Catherine, Katherine) (or Fanny).
There is the marriages Newf found
Jun Qtr 1888 - William James GILL and Frances Kate SHIRE on same page - Yeovil
Sep Qtr 1888 - Frances Kate CABBELL - 1a 623 Chelsea
And a previous post, also found the most liklely missing groom from the Chelsea Marriage:
(not on FreeBMD): William GILL Sep Qtr 1888 Chelsea 1a 623 (no middle name). I've just looked up the image too, and it's there.
This looks for all the world like they married twice ! I think the certificates of both marriages might be the only way to possibly sort it out?
Cheers
AMBLY
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The Sep 1888 William GILL - Chelsea is on FREEBMD:
as ref: 1a [56]23 .
The image looks dead clear to me as 623.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Nice work Ambly - agree about the Certs :)
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;D :D All credit to lizdb
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,346645.0.html
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thank-you ALL SO very much for your precious time & trouble.
KRISESJOINT: Frances Cabell b.1864 - brilliant & thank-you for finding her in 1871/81
NEWF: You're right, Frances Cabel married William Gill in 1888 (Chelsea) as AMBLY explained I was convinced I had the correct marriage Frances Kate SHIRE & William Gill until an elderly relative insisted the name was definitely Cabel, so I sent for one of their sons birth certificate which stated her maiden name was indeed CABBLE.
Unfortunately, I'm no nearer finding out who her parents were.
THANKS A MILLION TO YOU ALL
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I think she is the daughter of John and Ann Chrissie,
John CABLE = Ann APPLIN Jun 1847 Sherborne 8 183
1861
RG9/1640 Folio 67 Page 15
16 Lower Odcombe
Odcombe
CABLE John Head 37 Mar b Kenton Carter
CABLE Ann Wife 34 Mar b Longbenton Dorset Glove Pointer (leather)
CABLE Oliver Son 9 b Queens Camel Stone Cutter
CABLE Charles Son 7 b Queens Camel Scholar
CABLE Emily Dau 4 b Whiteparish Wiltshire Scholar
Looking at 1871 the family Fanny is with are the APLIN Family ;)
The family are in Odcombe
RG10/2410 Folio 73 Page 19
22 Lower Odcombe
Odcombe
CABLE John Head 52 Widow b Kenton Carter
CABLE Jane Dau 22 b Dorset Glover
CABLE Charles Son 18 b Queens Camel Mason
CABLE Ann Dau 9 b Odcombe
A Brother Charles - and a connection through mum to Longbenton and the Aplin family ;D
Cheers Kris :)
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KRISESJOINT: This is fantastic. I will contact the elderly relative to see if any of this rings a bell to her. I can't thank you ALL enough, you're all so fantastically helpful on here.
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Hopefully sorted, but I'd still like to see the other William and Frances Kate Gill on a census - eh Ambly / Liz ;)
strange how the 1891 and 1901 DoBs link neatly to both ladies :)
so I really think that both marriages should be researched ..... unless its a complete co-incidence that 2 William Gills marry 2 Frances K's from Somerset ?
Have you got one of the Certs ?
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Have you got one of the Certs ?
(sorry to ask, just hate loose ends, and would like to find the 'other' couple :) )
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No, I haven't got the marriage cert. as I obviously had to send for a birth cert. to find out for certain Frances Kates maiden name as I still wasn't sure whether it was SHIRE or CABEL.......... must admit I was still surprised when it turned out to be CABBLE.
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I understand ...... still curious at the huge coincidence of 2 Williams and two Frances etc ..... but as only one can be found on the census, and presumably thats the couple whose kid's cert you've got, its QED :)
any theories as to why they trogged up to Chelsea to marry ?
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No Newf, no idea as to why they married in Chelsea - that's another mystery. I can't thank-you enough for your help & interest. I noticed that John Cabel was widowed between 1861/71 looked on freeBMD & found Anns death in 1869, I wonder if that explains why Frances was with the Aplins in 1871, I assume that maybe this was Anns brother - but as I've found out, one should never assume anything.
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yes, sounds right - as KJ said, the PoB of Longbenton* was the connection ....
Charles Applin also married in that Sherborne district that KJ showed :)
*wondering it it should be Longburton tho ..... which is in Sherborne Dist
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Yes Newf, Krisesjoint also came up with that marriage on page 1. I'm pretty certain it's them.