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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: LYNIE on Monday 22 December 08 03:25 GMT (UK)
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hi again.....i need some help with alfred groves b 1863 carlton vic married elizabeth evans jones b 1871 romsey victoria..they married 1890 carlton victoria....have most of the groves side ..but elizabeths parents were john robert jones and sarah broadfoot...have most of the broadfoot line but john robert jones b 1820 united kingdom d victoria...i have no date of his death or if his parents migrated with him ....cheers lyn
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Hi Lynie
There is a John Robert Jones death - parents unknown - died 1884 Melbourne Hospital - age 64 - ref# 13119
Thats the only death for John Robert JONES in Vic 1836-1888
Maybe thats him
Is a few John Robert Jones's births
Daizi
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HI DAIZI thanks for the reply , and i agree yes it must be him .....thanx heaps ..lyn
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Lynie
Do you know roughly when he came to Oz
Daizi
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hi daizi...all i no is he married sarah broadfoot in 1854 in collingwood victoria .....so i guess anywhere from his birth date 1820 to wedding date 1854 he could have arrived ....cheers lyn
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.but elizabeths parents were john robert jones and sarah broadfoot... john robert jones b 1820 united kingdom d victoria...i have no date of his death or if his parents migrated with him .
Where did you get the info b. 1820 England? Marriage Cert?
Elizabeth has seven siblings so surely one of those birth certs would give you info, if the marriage cert reveals little.
You may have a problem if he emigrated before 1852 as an unassisted emigrant...records are a little thin on the ground. There is Marion Buttons "Argus" index but you would have to find a library or genealogy group that has that into. Mmmm to find a name John JONES on the Assisted immigrants is going to be a testing exercise ;) ;) Let hope the death reg that Daizi found may be his :)
Cheers
Cando
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i had a look at PROV site, and yes John JONES are plentiful.....
Also had a look at the Inquest CD, if you had a Robert John James JONES that died in 1957 (Struck by train) his inquest is available......
Daizi
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hi daizi...all i no is he married sarah broadfoot in 1854 in collingwood victoria .....so i guess anywhere from his birth date 1820 to wedding date 1854 he could have arrived ....cheers lyn
Are you taking this info from your Pioneer Index or have you some other family history details? Just curious really. If you had his parents' names we may be able to find him on the 1841 census.
Cheers
Cando
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hi cando......re john robert jones .....i had a friend look up on ancestory . com for me and she came up with a maybe for his parents...john robert jones b 1819 scotland....parents robert jones and margaret evans....she said there is no death dates on there but she said it may point us in the right direction, and maybe look up on the cds to find out if there is a death in melbourne for these people...cheers lyn...also evans is the middle name for john and sarahs daughter elizabeth evans jones ....
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Is ALFRED GROVES the son of JOHN and MARY ANN GROVES by any chance? What was his mother's maiden name? I'm hoping he's the chap who features on my (distant) tree!
Looking forward to your reply.
Fliss
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....alfred groves b 1863 carlton vic married elizabeth evans jones b 1871 romsey victoria..
Birth
GROVES Alfred
Father John Mother Mary Ann FAIRBRASS
At Carlton 1863 Reg#15619
There are seven births to this couple registered in Victoria, including one at sea. Alfred is the fifth child.
Cheers
Cando
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Hello!
Great! This is the right family! I'm connected as MARY ANN FAIRBRASS was my great, great grandfather's (Thomas Loveday Fairbrass) sister.
I knew she married John Groves in 1846 and emigrated sometime before 1854. They settled , I believe, in Brunswick, Australia.
I have the following children:
Frederick
I would, however, love to know more.
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Am having no luck with this today..let me complete the previous message:
Hello!
Great! This is the right family! I'm connected as MARY ANN FAIRBRASS was my great, great grandfather's (Thomas Loveday Fairbrass) sister.
I knew she married John Groves in 1846 and emigrated sometime before 1854. They settled , I believe, in Brunswick, Australia.
I have the following children listed:
Frederick born 1850 London, England
William born 1854 Australia
Henry born 1857 Australia
George born 1861 Australia
Alfred born 1863 Australia
Joseph born 1865 Australia
Thomas Loveday born 1868 Australia
although I did think, but as yet unproved, that at least one child named John was born before they emigrated.
That is the sum total of my knowledge of the family unit, I'm afraid!
I look forward to hearing from you.
Fliss (UK. Are you in Australia?)
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Hi Fliss
http://www.fcmp.com.au/
you may like to search this cemetery which is close to Brunswick for the burials of some GROVE's.
Thomas is there and I think some others too.
Sue
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Hi Fliss,
Hope this helps :)
Frederick GROVES died 1874 age 24
Birth Place: London Reg#8312
Father – John Mother - Mary Ann Fairbrass
William GROVES died 1904 age 49 Ncote Reg#10064
Father- Jno Groves Mother- Mary Ann Fairbrass
A possible for Henry
Henry GROVES died 1929 age 72 Bwk Reg#13346
Father – Jno Mother - Unknown
George GROVES – can’t spot him at the moment
A possible for Alfred
Alfred GROVES died 1927 age 63 Romsey Reg#7544
Father – Jno Mother - Unknown
Joseph Edwin GROVES died 1866 age 1
Birth Place: Carlton Reg#11102
Father - John Mother - Mary Ann Fairbrass
Thomas Loveday GROVES died 1941 age 72 Melb Reg#616
Father- Jno Groves Mother- Mary Ann Fairbrass
John GROVES died 1923 age 71 Cheltn Reg#9606
Father- Jno Groves Mother- Mary Ann Fairbrass
Looks like there was a daughter too :D
Mary Ann GROVES born 1859 Carlton Reg#6039
Father - Jno Mother – Mary Ann Feivbress
and a death
Mary Ann GROVES died 1941 age 82 WBwick Reg#4923
Father – Jno Groves Mother – Mary Ann Hairbrash
And a death
Mary Ann GROVES died 1890 age 62 Brnswk Reg#6005
Father – Thos Loveday Fairbrass Mother – Unknown
Raylen
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Births from Vic births index - slightly different to your list
GROVES William
Father John Mother Mary Anne FAIRBRASS
At Melbourne 1854 Reg#6285
GROVES John Chalmers
Father John Mother Mary Ann FAIRBRASS
At Sea 1855 Reg#611
GROVES Henry
Father John Mother Mary Anne FAIRBRASS
At Melbourne 1857 Reg#4621
GROVES Mary Ann
Father John Mother Mary Ann FEIVBRESS
At Carlton 1959 Reg#6039
GROVES George
Father John Mother Mary Ann FAIRBRASS
At Melbourne 1861 Reg#12334
GROVES Alfred
Father John Mother Mary An FAIRBRASS
At Carlton 1863 Reg#15619
GROVES Joseph Edwin
Father John Mother Mary A FAIRBRASS
At Melbourne 1865 Reg#16778
GROVES Thomas Loveday
Father John Mother Mary Ann FAIRBRASS
At Carlton 1868 Reg#24512
Cando
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hi fliss.............have sent you 2 personal messages about the groves and fairbrass tree...cheers lynie
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Thank you for the information regarding the deaths and Fawkner Memorial Park.
Much appreciated!
:)
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Hi there
Can anyone help.
My Grandfather was Alfred Gordon Groves 1891-1928 who died in Victoria, Australia. My Grandmother was Gladys Josephine Jellett.
Alfred Gordon Groves' Father was Alfred Groves and not sure if Elizabeth Jones was his wife.
Toodles
Am having no luck with this today..let me complete the previous message:
Hello!
Great! This is the right family! I'm connected as MARY ANN FAIRBRASS was my great, great grandfather's (Thomas Loveday Fairbrass) sister.
I knew she married John Groves in 1846 and emigrated sometime before 1854. They settled , I believe, in Brunswick, Australia.
I have the following children listed:
Frederick born 1850 London, England
William born 1854 Australia
Henry born 1857 Australia
George born 1861 Australia
Alfred born 1863 Australia
Joseph born 1865 Australia
Thomas Loveday born 1868 Australia
although I did think, but as yet unproved, that at least one child named John was born before they emigrated.
That is the sum total of my knowledge of the family unit, I'm afraid!
I look forward to hearing from you.
Fliss (UK. Are you in Australia?)
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Hey LYNIE
I knew I would get lost here, tried to respond to your mail in my mail but could not.
Remember an Aunty Hilda but don't know anything about my grandfather or greatgrandfather (siblings).
My grandmother Gladys Groves had 3 children:- Gordon (Sam) (Dec), Elsie Kathleen (Dec) and Beryl Lillian (my mum) who is 89.
I'm living in Queensland, Australia (we all grew up in Victoria).
Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree. ;D
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Hi, living in Mount Martha Victoria.
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Hi chook10
It looks as if you are not getting much response to your query ;D
Was there anything in particular you would like to know about your people?
I can see some marriage information and some electoral roll details.
Here is a death notice for your grandmother Gladys.
Sue
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My grandmother was Gladys Josephine Groves nee Jellett and grandfather Alfred Groves.
Wonder if anyone has photos of the Groves family and the family tree. Thanks.