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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: TracyW on Sunday 21 December 08 11:40 GMT (UK)
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Could anyone help me find out who the occupants of Whitley House were in the 1891 and 1901 censuses please.
In the phone directories a W Petersen, shipowner, is listed between 1896 and 1900-1901, but simply ancestry searches don't find him.
Many thanks
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tis a big area - 6 Enumeration Districts plus 'Northumberland Village Homes' District in 1901
do you have a street address ? The house may not be named in the schedules, just a dwelling in a street ...
searching on PET only finds a lady with that surname in 1901, and shes a visitor or suchlike ...
In Dist 4, theres a 'Whitley Villa', on the Enumerators route, somewhere before Countess Street ....
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Hi
In 1891 it is at reference Tynemouth RG12/4230 Folio 101 Page 22. It is within Whitley Old Village.
In 1891 it is occupied by a Lawrence W Adamson aged 61 from Ireland who was a County Councillor and JP. His wife was Sarah F Adamson aged 43 from Newcastle. There are also four servants in the household
DS ;)
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What I have found about the house so far....
It was built in 1803 and was one of the three large houses in Whitley. The Belvedere shop is now on the site (looks like what is now Whitley Road on Google). It may also have been the Victoria Public House later.
I have looked for it on one old map web site from 1865 but couldn't see it specifically shown.
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In 1891, Victoria Hotel is the next property to Whitley House.
Some other landmarks on the enumerator's route in 1891 were Station Road, Frewhitt Road, Victoria Terrace, White Cottages, Marsden Cottages, Marsden House, The Quarries, Duke Street, Duchess Street, Countess Street, Park View, South View Inn, Ship Inn.
Then it was Whitley Old Village followed by Northumberland Square, North Parade, East Parade, Whitley Park Terrace, Whitley Park Gardens and Whitley Links (including a large Convalescent Home).
DS
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In 1901 the Enumeration Districts of Whitley have been amended so that part of the above 1891 District appears in District 3 (with some other streets added) and part of it appears in District 4 (with some other streets added).
An extract of the enumerator's route for District 3 includes Park View, Front Street (part), Northumberland Square, Front Street including The Ship Inn and Victoria Hotel. Whitley House is not named but there are properties on either side of the Victoria Hotel. (Tynemouth RG13/4805 Folio 73 Page 40)
On one side there is a Charles J Wilkinson who is living with his sister and one servant. He is "Living on own means". On the other side is a George H Troughton who is a Postman living with his wife and two sons.
There is no sign of a W Petersen, Ship Owner. However, coincidentally (I think), a few pages on, at 29 Park Parade, is a William Patterson who is a Ship Broker. He is aged 28 from Jarrow and he is living with his wife, Margaret and their son, William W Patterson who are both from Newcastle.
DS
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Hello DS
Many thanks for all this and the plot thickens!
The reason I was interested in W Petersen is through the Troughton family, and when I looked up the Troughtons on the 1901 census it didn't dawn as to their location in relation to Whitley House.
George H Troughton had two sons Charles and George (great uncle George).
There is a family photograph with Wilhem Anton Petersen written on the back and great-uncle George has added 'grandfather Paterson square rig skipper'.
George H Troughton's wife was Emily Wade Patterson. Her father was Henry (from birth and marriage certs) and at one point we thought that Henry and Wilhelm were the same, but Henry had died before Emily Wade married in 1883 (from Emily's marriage cert) and long before George was born in 1894.
Emily Wade's mother was Isabella Wade Suttie. She married Henry Patterson when she was only 20 in 1854. There is a Henry Patterson living with the Suttie's in 1851 born Durham. I think that Isabella then had another child (Annie Steele) by a Thomas Steele in 1871 but I don't think she married him.
The Pattersons minus Henry are together in the 1881 census with Annie and Thomas Steele (Isabella is listed as married) but there's no sign on them in 1871 when Annie would have been a small baby, and by 1891 Annie is married to William Hunnan Hastie. I can't find any sign of Isabella Patterson on the 1891 census either. I think that died in early 1901 so just missed that census.
I think that the assumption was that Isabella at some point took up with Wilhem Anton Petersen, so I was looking for some evidence of his relationship with the family. However passed down knowledge says that there was Scandinavian ancestry in the family, but that doesn't fit with any blood evidence so far.
I'll keep digging...
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Once I saw the names of pubs, I was hooked.
Starting as things are today, in very centre of Whitley Bay, on Whitley Road
( the bit that was once called Front St)..
Woolworths ( ahhh ! ) is at number 238. Next, moving westwards, set slightly back off the road is a pub called the Fire Station. Then at 244 is pub The Bedroom ( this was once the Victoria- the Vic'- (C1901 4805-73-40)).
Covering the numbers 246-248 is a building with front facade showing "NEW COLISEUM", containing two shops, Greggs the baker and travel agent "Going Places". Then a handful of shops until corner of Whitley Rd and Park Avenue.
On the opposite corner is pub Dundee's, once called the Ship ( Closeby is the Fat Ox. (C1901 4805-72-38)
Back to the New Coliseum building. Originally on this site a theatre called the Coliseum, was built in 1910. The site had been the garden of a house called WHITLEY HOUSE, which at the time was the home of the Whitley Unionist Club.
In 1919 the theatre was converted into a cinema, then in 1971 into a Bingo Hall.
I don't know if it was the front or back garden of the house. But today not very far away on South Parade ( number 30 ) is Whitley House, home of the Whitley Bay Conservative Club.
And how is this for coincidence... On Census 1901 the Victoria is at schedule 244 (4805-73-40). Today the Bedroom, nee Victoria is at 244 Whitley road
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Three streets converge at the front of Whitley Bay's Metro Station ( ex-railway station... Victoria Terrace, TREWITT RD and Station Road
Michael Dixon
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As usual Michael your knowledge of the area is unsurpassed!
My grandad Troughton (step-grandad really) still lives on Station Road and I hope to go up there between Christmas and New Year so I'll have a good nose around. I'll also see if he can remember anything said about the family history and if he has any photos himself. His brother cannot remember much more than what I have listed, and the photos talked about came down through his children.
I don't know which ones they were but grandad used to play the piano in the pubs and hotels in Whitley Bay.
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Hello TracyW
Lloyd's Captains list index gives only one William Petersen with a British master's certificate issued at South Shields 1884. He was born in St Jorgensborg Denmark in 1854. This may be your man.
Peter
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Hello Michael, I wonder if you could help me. I have been reading your responses re whitley with interest. Do you know anything about the Northumberland Village Home for Girls or where I can get information on it/resident? I think my great aunt might have been there age 11 1901.
Thanks.
Once I saw the names of pubs, I was hooked.
Starting as things are today, in very centre of Whitley Bay, on Whitley Road
( the bit that was once called Front St)..
Woolworths ( ahhh ! ) is at number 238. Next, moving westwards, set slightly back off the road is a pub called the Fire Station. Then at 244 is pub The Bedroom ( this was once the Victoria- the Vic'- (C1901 4805-73-40)).
Covering the numbers 246-248 is a building with front facade showing "NEW COLISEUM", containing two shops, Greggs the baker and travel agent "Going Places". Then a handful of shops until corner of Whitley Rd and Park Avenue.
On the opposite corner is pub Dundee's, once called the Ship ( Closeby is the Fat Ox. (C1901 4805-72-38)
Back to the New Coliseum building. Originally on this site a theatre called the Coliseum, was built in 1910. The site had been the garden of a house called WHITLEY HOUSE, which at the time was the home of the Whitley Unionist Club.
In 1919 the theatre was converted into a cinema, then in 1971 into a Bingo Hall.
I don't know if it was the front or back garden of the house. But today not very far away on South Parade ( number 30 ) is Whitley House, home of the Whitley Bay Conservative Club.
And how is this for coincidence... On Census 1901 the Victoria is at schedule 244 (4805-73-40). Today the Bedroom, nee Victoria is at 244 Whitley road
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Three streets converge at the front of Whitley Bay's Metro Station ( ex-railway station... Victoria Terrace, TREWITT RD and Station Road
Michael Dixon
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Northumberland Village Homes is now a retirement village. Was a once a home for girls.