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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham Lookup Requests => Durham => England => Durham Completed Look up Requests => Topic started by: Riddlebrick on Friday 19 December 08 18:39 GMT (UK)
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Hello
I have just received my Gt Grandmothers birth certificate and her place of birth in 1903 was Prockters Buildings in Pipewellgate Gateshead. I was wondering if anyone knew what this building was, was it a tenement? I know that Pipewellgate fro the mid 1800's was not a very nice place to live.
Also her parents James and mary ann swanston on the 1901 census are shown to be living in Chatham, St Mary's parish, Gateshead. Does anyone know where this was?
Thanks in advance
Emma
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Hi Emma,
They do sound like apartment buildings and they were near the River Tyne, the enumeration page for 1901 states: (no commas used!)
Pipewellgate (both sides west of High Level Bridge) Rabbit Banks Road High Level Road Wellington Street (west side of) Hudson Street Half Moon Lane (portion opposite Coal Depots) Bruce's Buildings Pipewellgate Banks Chapel Yard Chatham Harrison's Buildings Procter's Buildings Providence Place Scotts Buildings Scotts Row Scott's Cottages Veitch's Buildings Bowl Alley Bank Blacksmiths Bank Brown & Thistle Yard Marlins Yard Pipewellgate Road Askew Road (no houses)
map of the area here: http://www.rootschat.com/links/0546/
Hope this helps,
Barbara
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Barbara
Thank for this, using the word Apartment makes it sound much more glamorous than the slums they were at the time and indeed stayed until they were demolished in the 1930s .
I had tried a google search but found nothing.
It would also figure that Askew Road had no houses as I believe they were built after 1900, the family did move up there eventually as a marriage cert from 1922 shows this.
Regards
Emma
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See http://isee.gateshead.gov.uk/info.php?s=pipewellgate&type=all&t=objects
Stan
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Thank for this, using the word Apartment makes it sound much more glamorous than the slums they were at the time and indeed stayed until they were demolished in the 1930s .
Thought it sounded better than tenements!
:)
Barbara
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It certainly does sound better than tenements I will have to describe them that way when I let my Aunt know. She'd be mortified if she thought her grandmother was brought up in a slum.
;)
Emma
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Pipewellgate ran parallel to the river and consisted of small factories, workshops and tenemented houses. It was generally regarded as one of the worst residential areas in Gateshead. Reports of local doctors and inspectors frequently condemned the area. In 1850 Inspector R. Rawlinson wrote of Pipewellgate, 'Neither plan nor written description can adequately convey … the true state and condition of the room-tenements and of the inhabitants occupying them. The subsoil on the sloping side of the hill is damp and most foul, the brickwork of the buildings is ruinous, the timber rotten; and an appearance of general decay pervades the whole district … Single rooms are let off as tenements which are crowded with men, women and children; the walls are discoloured with age, damp and rot; the windows are broken, old rags, straw and boards occupying the place of glass, so that means of light and ventilation alike are absent'. (Manders, 1973)
http://isee.gateshead.gov.uk/detail.php?t=objects&type=all&f=&s=pipewellgate&record=25
Stan
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I'm a bit late in the day on the subject but new to this
Proktors Buildings. like Scott's Row, Veatch's Buildings and Scott's Buildings previously mentioned, were rows of tenements built on the hill between Pipewellgate and High Level Road. The houses on each were linked by external staircases, either wooden or stone flagsones, and each "landing" had a cold water tap and an earth or ash closet. (Health and Safety eat your heart out).
New Chatham was an area at the west end of Pipewellgate, under the present Metro bridge. Probably named by someone who had a business there and who originated in the London area. I remember New Greenwich and New Deptford to the east of the Baltic.
The reason for Askew Road having "no houses" (as mentioned in another post) was because the Greensfield Locomotive Works, which had its northern boundary on High Level Road, had its southern boundary on Askew Road. Last time I looked, the original boundary wall was still there. However, further west of the Works, houses were being built on, and branching off from, Askew Road in the 1870s.
Hope your aunt wasn't too mortified - there were some good folk came out of Pipewellgate
John
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John
thank you for this, I was curious about Proktors Buildings as Gt grandmother Alice Swanston (born in Proktors Buildings) was given the middle name of Proctor.
The family eventually moved to the new houses up on Askew road.
Emma
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Great grandfather John Lamph was an Innkeeper in Pipewellgate when he died on 1 August 1874. He had been a Staff Sergeant in the Durham Militia Artillery based in Hartlepool. I don't know the name of the Inn? Anyone throw any light on this?
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There was a pub on bottle bank called The Goat Inn Public House, it is possible that this could be it
Emma
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In 1874, the pubs in Pipewellgate were - the Blue Bell, the Brandling Junction, the Cross Keys, the Crown & Thistle, the Fountain, the Globe, the New Bridge and the Three Tuns
Gateshead Library or TWAS may have the licensing records
John
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Globe Inn Pipwellgate- My McGurks were Beer Retailers from there in 1890 and my John McGurk deceased from the Globe Inn Pipewellgate. (yet to order the death certificate to get the full address)(Trade Directory)
Globe Inn Chatham Rd Gateshead- my McGurks were the Inn Keeper and Beer House Keepers from this address in 1891 (census)
Hope that could help. Think they were the same Pub.
Sounds like a terrible area to have lived in and my McGurks made money maybe selling alcohol, or maybe they didnt or drank the profits as they later lived around there..
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Just joined RootsChat.com as I came across it looking for references to Pipewellgate where my grandmother, Anne Spencer was born.
You may be interested in purchasing Alan Godfrey Old Ordnance Survey Map of Newcastle and Gateshead 1894, Tyneside Sheet 18 (£2.50) as it has the 1894 electoral roll for Pipewellgate and surrounding streets including Askew Road. JF McGurk, beer retailer, is listed living at 127 Pipewellgate. Also on the map is a potted history of the area.
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I have that map and many more Alan Godfrey Maps, I got a bit addicted to buying them. There is also a Mini Map of Pipewellgate & The Half Moon
Gateshead 1:500 Plan 92, reduced in scale, on A4 page
Tiny, folded map. This only costs 50p
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Thanks for that, I will take a look and thats my Fella, John Francis McGurk 127 Pipewellgate must be the Globe Inn.
Thanks have a nice day/night.. Ele
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Well said billslad, I totally agree, generations of my family (including my Mother who lived at Bowl Alley Bank) stem from Pipewellgate, all decent people :)
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Hi Everyone, havent been on this site in a while but i'm glad i came back. My Gt Gt grandparents lived in both Bowl Alley Bank and Scotts Row. Thanks for the info. Found a photo of Pipewellgate and one of the children was called Jenny May. Same ssurname as me, wonder if its a distant relation?
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paulmayuk, My relatives also called May, I need to check out the name of Jenny May, pity you couldn't post the pic on here. Any idea of the date when the photo was taken?
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Wanchwarrior. I have the pic and could post it to you at an email address if u would like. My father, grandfather and G/Grandfather were all called Egbert. Maybe we are related somewhere along the line. Paul
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PS pic dated around 1930's.
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Wanchwarrior
Just remembered the address for the pic so u can look for yourself. Click http://isee.gateshead.gov.uk/detail.php?t=objects&type=all&f=&s=pipewellgate&record=8.
Paul
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Paul
That pic is of my mother, aunt and great grandmother Elizabeth Morgan (standing in the doorway) previously May who was married to Egbert May. The pic it was actually taken in 1926 as I have a copy here at home. It was me who gave the details to the website and identified the people on it. Egbert May was my Mothers Grandfather, his wife was Elizabeth and their daughter was Elizabeth May (brothers John, Joseph & Egbert father of Jenny May (sat at the front), she was blind and only just died recently. Elizabeth May (daughter) married my Grandfather Christopher Grant. I have a whole load of documents on the family taken from the ancestry website. I'd rather not put my email address on here, do you know of any other means I could send it to you? Regards WW
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Paulmayuk
Are you living in the North East?
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Paul
I'd rather not put my email address on here, do you know of any other means I could send it to you? Regards WW
You can send a Personal Message off line. See http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
Stan
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Stan
Thanks for your help :)
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I live in windermere now. See personal message reply wanchwarrior