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Census Lookups General Lookups => Census and Resource Discussion => Topic started by: AngelFish on Thursday 18 December 08 12:47 GMT (UK)
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This morning I received an email from 'find my past' inviting me to use the Beta version of the 1911 census online... available some of December only.
I scan read the email... :D
went to the site... :)
bought £25 of credits... :o
then noticed you can only search London, Middlesex, Staffordshire & Wiltshire!! :'(
No good for my Lincs & Northumberland ancestors!! I was so excited I didn't read the email properly. I know its my own fault, I'm also putting it down to being home from work poorly.
I just wanted to warn other eager searchers to be more careful.
Merry Christmas
edit: link removed for legal reasons.
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Well, at least they're talking to you! Having registered months ago for updates, I have yet to receive a single e-mail from them :o
Did they provide a link to the Beta site?
Anna
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Found this:
Email Link Removed.
Anna (feeling very left out :'()
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Hi
The email I got today is the first I've heard from them. The email says I registered early to hear about the census - but I presume they just need to 'stager' the increase in use on the site so it doesn't fall over.
I'll be interested to know if anyone finds anything.
Angelfish
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The link on the email is above. Its takes me to the 1911 census site so I'm guessing it will work for other people too.
That just takes me to the standard 1911 site inviting me to register. Then when I try to register it gives me an error message saying I've already registered :o
No Beta-link...
Anna
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No? Then try logging in & then see if it'll let you search the 1991 census. I'll keep my fingers crossed!
Somewhere, someone else on rootschat MUST have had the email as well.
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Ahhh...
I'm going back to bed (but might take the lap top with me) :-[
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No? Then try logging in & then see if it'll let you search the 1991 census. I'll keep my fingers crossed!
Somewhere, someone else on rootschat MUST have had the email as well.
Yes I have Angel ;)
I wasted my first 30 credits by lookinmg at the wrong Florence Rogers DOH!!
And then when I did find mine and paid my next 30 credits about a 1/4 of the page(the bit with the address on and my great grandad's signature) is water damaged......grrrrrr.
Be very very careful that you have the right family before you click on to view household schedule- those credits don't half vanish fast.
Carol
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:)
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Oh dear...
I know I asked for the link, but now it's come to my attention that there may be legal problems with publishing it.
Sorry - perhaps you'd better re-amend. Wouldn't want either you or Rootschat to get into trouble.
Anna
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then noticed you can only search London, Middlesex, Staffordshire & Wiltshire!! :'(
i don't have any of these
feeling a bit left out
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I think it's only supposed to be for a small minority to test it out first.
Hence the beta test name.
We wouldn't want it to go t**s up like the 1901 did ,would we ;D
Carol
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Hi all :)
Very excited here - I'm expecting all my rellies to be in Staffordshire. If anybody knows whether Tipton and West Bromwich are covered, please post!! :D
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Hi all,
is Stoke on trent covered??
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In this test mode,all that is there is London,Middx,Staffs and Wilts from what I can see.
We really musn't overload the site until they've tested it all out.
They say " The website itself is now close to completion, and we are inviting a small number of family historians to use the ‘beta’ site (the test version of the site) so that we can identify any problems and make improvements before the launch next year. "
Carol
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I think it's only supposed to be for a small minority to test it out first.
Hence the beta test name.
Carol
Hi Carol
That's exactly what I meant by 'they just need to 'stager' the increase in use on the site so it doesn't fall over.'
'Fall over' is the 'technical term' for it going t**s up (or so my Network technician husband told me! lol)
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Hi all :)
Very excited here - I'm expecting all my rellies to be in Staffordshire. If anybody knows whether Tipton and West Bromwich are covered, please post!! :D
Hi all,
is Stoke on trent covered??
Hi Tati & Hepburn
I don't know where those places are without looking it up so don't know if they're within in the realeased counties.
I emailed them about when other areas will become available & the reply is 'Other counties wont become available until the official launch in 2009 I'm afraid.'
I'm lucky my credits wont expire for a year ;)
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Thanks Angelfish - oh well, we'll find out soon :D
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oh pooh
maybe you can sell them on to someone somehow. hard luck there!
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According to latest WDYTYA magazine, 1911 will be released in stages, firstly London followed by English counties, Wales and finally the islands.
I'm hoping Staffordshire will be one of the first counties :D
Susan :)
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All right for some :( I bet Yorkshire will be last!! Why can't they know that it's "God's own County"!! Oops that should upset a lot of people - be generous, it's Christmas, and I'm on my first glass of wine!! ;D ;D
BumbleB
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Well FindMyPast seems to be well and truly overloaded. I've been trying to access the DD indexes and just get this message:
Due to high demand we cannot connect you to our database at this time.
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Well FindMyPast seems to be well and truly overloaded. I've been trying to access the DD indexes and just get this message:
Due to high demand we cannot connect you to our database at this time.
The beta database has a different url & seems fine... or course you can only use it if you received the magic email, oh & want to look at those areas.
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It may be just coincidence that the subscription service goes down just as their new ppv project kicks off!
There's a new message now:
Essential Maintenance
We are carrying out essential website maintenance on findmypast.com.
Our team of engineers are busy making a number of changes to the website to ensure it continues to offer a high level of service to our customers in the future.
We will keep the maintenance time to a minimum and make the service available to you as soon as possible.
We apologise for the inconvenience.
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I had this message from 'Find my Past'; on which I already have credits.
The Link is still working for me, (I just checked) but I've had no success with any of the searches that I tried:-(
Has anyone had any luck at all with it?
Romilly :D :) :D
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Ah I see what you are saying ShaunJ... they've switched the hardware & staff over to the 1911 beta site for the testing.
That would make sense I guess. Frustrating if you just wanted to carry on with research on findmypast.com I wonder if they thought Christmas would be a quiet time?
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Exactly ....just a suspicion but it could be that the new beta service is getting first call on server and bandwidth capacity. I wouldn't mind if I'd had one of the magic emails!
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Ah I see what you are saying ShaunJ... they've switched the hardware & staff over to the 1911 beta site for the testing.
That would make sense I guess. Frustrating if you just wanted to carry on with research on findmypast.com I wonder if they thought Christmas would be a quiet time?
If they believe that, they ought to try some market research. From past experience its about the busiest time for most FH connected websites. Most seem to ground to halt over the Christmas period. ::) ::)
Kerry
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I wasted my first 30 credits by lookinmg at the wrong Florence Rogers DOH!!
Be very very careful that you have the right family before you click on to view household schedule- those credits don't half vanish fast.
How sure can you be? how much information is available in the search results before you have to use any credits?
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I also received this email this morning. I didn't do anything about it .I knew RC would be discussing the topic.
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According to latest WDYTYA magazine, 1911 will be released in stages, firstly London followed by English counties, Wales and finally the islands.
I'm hoping Staffordshire will be one of the first counties :D
Susan :)
I read that also. Good news as the area I am waiting to look at is....LONDON! Just got to save up now for the vouchers as when I joined FindMyPast to enable me to see the new Census, we hadn't been told that the subscription would NOT cover the new Census!!! (as has already been covered elsewhere).
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Cats ears
At first glance(In my excitment) I hadn't noticed that you could check age place of birth,relationship to head and head's name.Daft so and so :-[
So when it comes on line properly boys and girls-make sure you scroll down ,and click on advanced search. ;D
Carol
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E-mail received from FindMyPast that the Census will be available, 1st stage, in the Spring.
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Very excited here - I'm expecting all my rellies to be in Staffordshire. If anybody knows whether Tipton and West Bromwich are covered, please post!! :D
Tati, I just tried John Smith in West Bromwich and got results, and John Smith in Tipton and got results for Dudley (is that right?). It looks like you might be in luck!
I found my grandma, and some more distant 3rd cousins, but that's all. Very exciting, though, because if you shell out 30 credits for the original image you get your ancestor's own handwriting, which in my case was my great grandfather!
The beta test ends on 22 December, so presumably Find My Past will go back to normal service over Christmas.
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so how much is a credit ?
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Depends which package you choose ;)
£6.95 for 60 credits = £0.12 per credit
£24.95 for 280 credits = £0.09 per credit
£49.95 for 600 credits = £0.08 per credit
Carol
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'I found my grandma, and some more distant 3rd cousins, but that's all. Very exciting, though, because if you shell out 30 credits for the original image you get your ancestor's own handwriting, which in my case was my great grandfather!'
Wow I'm looking forward to seeing that. Um... wonder if I could match hand writting that that on the back of some photographs...
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30 CREDITS? (http://bestsmileys.com/scared/4.gif)
That is extortion.
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After all my whingeing, I got the "magic email" today!
Have so far found lots of my direct paternal line: my grandfather aged 5 with my great grandparents, g-g-grandfather elsewhere with a second wife I didn't know about, another set of g-g-grandparents, and g-g-g-grandparents in their dotage but still with pretty good handwriting (they died about 5 yrs later). Actually I'm all around pretty impressed by the handwriting and care taken with filling in the schedules, with the exception of one of the g-g-grandparents who didn't bother to fill in their address. Hmmm...
Also discovered by way of the "how many children" questions is the existence of two children who died in infancy of whose existence I had previously been unaware.
Actually it's quite a different experience looking at the household schedules compared to what we're used to with the enumerators' returns - the household is seen in isolation rather than as part of a street or community. Fascinating though :)
Anna
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Received the Email from FindMyPast today and immediately used the site with great success to knock down a brick wall that had defeated me for about 3 years.
So far I’m impressed with the quality of the original documents, the two that I have looked at were extremely clear and precise but if you need to print them off it takes quite a bit of manipulation to turn them into black and white otherwise printing copies as downloaded will be expensive on printer cartridges.
Pity the Beta period is so short though, looks as though I'll be busy this weekend looking for any missing rellies.
Alan :)
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According to latest WDYTYA magazine, 1911 will be released in stages, firstly London followed by English counties, Wales and finally the islands.
I'm hoping Staffordshire will be one of the first counties :D
Susan :)
The 1911 census is being released in piece number order. The piece numbers correspond to the GRO registration numbers and so on that basis Staffordshire will be about halfway through the release. See link for the order the GRO numbers fall and hence the order in which the counties will be released
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/civreg/GROIndexes.html
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No cigar I'm afraid - for this Beta test only London, Staffs and somewhere else is searchable .... ;)
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No cigar I'm afraid - for this Beta test only London, Staffs and somewhere else is searchable .... ;)
Apparently London, middlesex,wilts and Staffordshire are available in the beta test.
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Probably at x-poirposes there - I thought your previous post was saying that Staffs wouldnt be availble just yet - ie not in the Beta site ... ;)
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Yes sorry Newf should have made it clearer that the original post related to the full roll out not the beta test.
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30 CREDITS? (http://bestsmileys.com/scared/4.gif)
That is extortion.
There is the option of getting a transcription, where you don't see the original handwritten page, for 10 credits. I feel tempted to do that for non-direct ancestors, but I'd love to see the handwriting of my direct ancestors.
On the copy I got earlier, my great grandfather had done what I'm always doing and not read the instructions properly. He'd put his son's age in the female column and his daughter in the male. That's just the sort of thing I do all the time! He's had to scrub out the ages and write them into the correct columns. For some reason I found that really moving, imagining him when he realised he'd gone wrong and having to find something that would rub out pen. Made me feel very connected to him.
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So far two of mine out of three haven't read the instructions ;D
It says "for each married woman enter the number of years married and children born alive,still living and those who have died."
Two of mine put it in the hubby's column as well as the wife's.
One crossed it out and the other left it in both ;D
Carol
PS I found it very sad that my great grandma had given birth to 10 children of whom 4 died. I knew my gran very well and they would have been her brothers and sisters.
Sad.....very sad.
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Plus ca change! I'm always doing it, no matter how hard I try to get it right. ;D
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30 CREDITS? (http://bestsmileys.com/scared/4.gif)
That is extortion.
why do you think that ?
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I think this is right...on 'Find my Past', 1 Credit is 12p...and so 30 Credits is (about) £3.60p. (Is that right?). Maths isn't my strong point!
Romilly :D :D
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280 credits for 25 quid (all spent)!
And rather than see their handwriting all I got in her hand was an "X"
Pauline
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280 credits for 25 quid (all spent)!
And rather than see their handwriting all I got in her hand was an "X"
Pauline
Looking at the 1911 has eaten up virtually all of mine...& there's so much that I want to look at in Glamorganshire when that comes on-line:-(
Romilly :'( :'(
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Expect Ancestry will have it eventually - they got Scotland (but not Enum's Pages yet)
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Well - I got my email but just my luck - no ancestors in areas available :-\
Maggie
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Same here! Come on (West) Yorkshire!
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Is Canning Town not classed as London >:(
Found what I thought was my dad aged 4 months and my uncle Bill 2 years in Bethnal Green, thought maybe they'd moved in the 4 months since dad's birth....WRONG family!!! That was the last of my 'spare' credits down the drain.
So where are they??? :o
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canning town is piece
508. RG 14/9471 ESSEX
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp
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30 CREDITS? (http://bestsmileys.com/scared/4.gif)
That is extortion.
why do you think that ?
Why, well think about it. You only get to see an individual household this time, whereas before you got sight of all the neighbouring households as well. In close-knit communities this has often provided me with valuable clues. You often find other family connections living close by.
I think it's way overpriced. Makes it very expensive if you're looking for someone you don't know much about, or someone with a very common name who may not be living with their family, someone who isn't where you might have expected them to be, or just make a mistake.
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Is Canning Town not classed as London
Was it not part of West Ham ie. Essex back then?
Casalguidi
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I've just had a look for two people who may have been living in London in 1911, both common names. Quite a lot of results, but no use without the place of birth shown in the search results. No way could I afford to look them all up at 10 credits per transcript.
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Is Canning Town not classed as London
Was it not part of West Ham ie. Essex back then?
Casalguidi
Yes, Essex.
I eagerly went looking for my Londoners and could hardly find any of them - but I know from marriage and death certs in the 19teens and 1920s that quite a lot of them had moved a little (and it's really only a little!) eastwards to become Essex Girls. I presume my shoemaker ancestor was busy making the white high heeled shoes for them all. ;D (Apologies to all Essex girls - including my mother - for the stereotyping!)
What I really miss (and have said to them, among numerous other suggestions and comments) about the 1911 site is that you can't connect family groups to check you've got the right Fred Bloggs age 47. (I also suggested that it would be nice if they could put place of birth on the results listing, as you can include it as a criterion in your search anyway). There's no fuzzy or soundexed searching on names at the moment (but I suspect that might come).
I've no idea how many people they've invited into the beta test, but I've been impressed by the speed, and the quality of the imaging is superb. At the moment, you can only download the images, not view them on-screen (to reduce load on their servers I think). Which is quite good, as it means I can't forget to save them.
You can also download to a spreadsheet all the records you've paid to see, which I think is probably going to be rather useful. Not sure how, but it does like a really good idea!
But I have already found a couple of transcription errors! The reporting system for transcription errors looks very easy to use.
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I've just had a look for two people who may have been living in London in 1911, both common names. Quite a lot of results, but no use without the place of birth shown in the search results. No way could I afford to look them all up at 10 credits per transcript.
But if you specify the correct places of birth in your search, the results will be limited only to those matching the data you've put in.
Anna
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What I really miss (and have said to them, among numerous other suggestions and comments) about the 1911 site is that you can't connect family groups to check you've got the right Fred Bloggs age 47. (I also suggested that it would be nice if they could put place of birth on the results listing, as you can include it as a criterion in your search anyway). There's no fuzzy or soundexed searching on names at the moment (but I suspect that might come).
But you can ?
You can put Joe Bloggs born xxx in xxx,relationship to head and add another name in the family,ie mum or dad.Or even another sibling if you're not sure if parents are still alive.
I've only done my direct ancestors for now-don't want to bankrupt myself just before Xmas ;D
Hopefully it won't be too long before it comes on a subscription website.
Maybe Alan could explain how to turn them into black and white to print...please :-*
Carol
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But if you specify the correct places of birth in your search, the results will be limited only to those matching the data you've put in.
But it depends what the people have stated themselves on the form, doesn't it. As we know from previous census entries, this can vary quite a bit. For instance, they might put down a district of a town, rather than the name of the town itself, or a different village from the one that was entered before. We have surely all come across this sort of thing.
At least if it's displayed in the search results, you can rule out those that are out of the question.
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I just got the email today.
I found my great grandmother in Stone, Staffs on the free search but I don't have any credits with Find My Past at the moment, and don't feel inclined to spend £3.50 to view the page.
Have I worked that out right? 30 credits = about £3.50. I can't remember paying that much to view census pages on Ancestry, but perhaps I did and I've conveniently forgotten.
As the beta pages are only supposedly going to be available for a few days in December, and as I (and probably countless other people) have spent enough money just before Christmas to make the now non existent bank manager break out into a sweat on my behalf, I'll wait until the final version comes out next year.
I sincerely hope that their site and layout etc have had more planning put into them than this ridiculous idea of testing it just before Christmas when nearly everyone is borassic!! ::)
Jill
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Just found my great great grandmother, a widow with my great grandfather's twin brother.
That answers a question, we know that my great grandfather moved from Hackney down to Eastbourne at some point and it now appears it was probably before 1911 as he is not to found on the 1911 at the moment. :) :)
His twin brother, a shipping clerk had signed the form, that's interesting to see his writing and also mum gave birth to 9 children 3 of which were dead by 1911, right need to go off and find out which ones.
Kerry
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Hi
Come back Ancestry all is forgiven even your transcriptions.
Access to 1911 at last - Hooray I thought and set to work on the brick walls - nothing. I guess I had missed the bit of the email saying that only certain areas were available. Since it's Findmypast I might have anticipated that!
OK let's look at a London brick wall - Robert Slade b. Dunkeswell 1860 and subsequently unable to remember how old he is but probably in the London area and was a milkman (in Holloway Prison, 1901 claiming to be single having forgotten wife and child). He usually remembers that he was born in Dunkeswell but the spelling can be difficult for enumerators. Search cannot find Robert Slade born in Dunkeswell but can find 30 Roberts with birth place unspecified. Look at list of 30 gives name and age, type of enumeration sheet (household or institution) and spot a possible in a Marylebone institution. Pay 10 credits for transcription and get list showing names of inmates and ages including Robert Slade but no birthplace information. Spend 30 of my remaining 33 credits on the image to discover that this Robert Slade says he was born in London. I am given no information about the name of the institution either on the transcript or the image. In addition the final column of the image - the one about deafness and lunacy etc - has been neatly obscured by a white card.
I return to my email and find the link to the questionnaire - there are few opportunities to tell them of my irritation until I come to the little text boxes at the end. I type in a brief account of my disappointments and find that bits of my text keep disappearing and when I attempt to correct this matters just get worse!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGH.
Even Ancestry's new search does not do this for my blood pressure.
Good luck
Gobbo
PS I shall probably be better tomorrow provided I have a quiet night and a good rest.
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"In addition the final column of the image - the one about deafness and lunacy etc - has been neatly obscured by a white card."
Yes 01dgobbo, that is the part of the census that will not be available until 2012. They do make it clear on their website.
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Hi all :)
I don't know where those places are without looking it up so don't know if they're within in the realeased counties.
It's free to search the indexes and you can search by place in the keywords field. If you don't get any results you know they're not there yet!
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Hi David
"Read the instructions first" is very good advice that I have often neglected. They call the cover up redaction, which is a word that I really need to look up. It's just I started out so happy and excited and now ....
I cannot see in both my emails where it lists the missing counties. I did find a button on a search screen that brought up a list but I cannot find that now.
Demoralized and confused
Gobbo
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but no use without the place of birth shown in the search results
You can put place of birth in the search term
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You can put place of birth in the search term
I know, but as I explained above, it doesn't always help.
But it depends what the people have stated themselves on the form, doesn't it. As we know from previous census entries, this can vary quite a bit. For instance, they might put down a district of a town, rather than the name of the town itself, or a different village from the one that was entered before. We have surely all come across this sort of thing.
At least if it's displayed in the search results, you can rule out those that are out of the question.
Plus there are always going to be spelling variations, and the like.
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Hi
Viewing an image on the 1901 census at http://www.1901censusonline.com/main.asp?wci=welcome
costs up to £1.50. Viewing an image on the 1911 census costs up to £3.50 - rather serious inflation in just 10 years.
All the best
Gobbo
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Viewing an image on the 1901 census at http://www.1901censusonline.com/main.asp?wci=welcome
costs up to £1.50. Viewing an image on the 1911 census costs up to £3.50 - rather serious inflation in just 10 years.
If I recall correctly wasn't the 1901 census 5 pounds per image when first released? It was only when made available to various commercial sites that the price dropped.
Given it would have cost millions to digitise and index, and the expense has to be recouped by whoever initially paid, I'm surprised that its only 30 credits. No doubt the cost will eventually come down but that might not be for a while.
Andy
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I concur.
Given that there is vastly more information to process (scan & store) I'm actually not too displeased with the price(s). I prefer to regards it as 3 household sheets for a little more than the price of a single GRO certificate.
3*2.70 = 8.10..
And no, mine are not showing up with fairy lights around their names either, but the 'known associates' searching is VERY useful.
Pauline
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I also received the invite as i registered an interest in the 1911 census a LONG time ago,
anyway as my grandparents on both sides were originally from the london area, i bit the bullet and paid for 60 units £6-95 (ie two original pages) and my view is WELL worth the money, probably because i found instantly those i wanted, luckily i knew their DOB's.
i also saw it was my great grandads that had completed the forms, i also saw on one of the forms
my gt grandmother Dinah Lee was living with my grandparents and she died in 1912, as i didnt know where she was living when she died, so with those finds i then paid for another 60 units, and found EXACTLY what i was looking for.
If your doing basic searching looking for info' it would probably work out pretty expensive, but for those who are pretty sure what they are looking for, it's excellent to have the originals, must admit it gave me as much as a buzz, as when ive had a certificate drop through the door with new info.
I also have a grandad that came from russia aged 3, and i found him and his family living in the east end
(again confirming info' i knew) but brillaint to see when arrived, how long his parents were married (as married in russia so no info') how many rooms in their house etc.
So just confirms how much the 1911 census will help so many to move forward,
for those who have access, be quick as it states the beta will only be online until the 22nd December
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OK slightly molified, have found a great uncle and his family in Hackney.
I think I'll wait till the whole thing is up and running before I buy more credits though...after all, they're not going anywhere are they!
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I got my invitation as well, and found the site excellent. Just searched by surname with no other information and up popped the answers. Shame it only covers part of the country, but then I've got some credits left for next time!
BumbleB :)
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Oh joy! More counties this morning...I found this on their blog:
8 more counties added to beta site
December 20th, 2008
We’ve added eight new counties overnight - the counties now available are:
London (previously available)
Middlesex (previously available)
Staffordshire (previously available)
Wiltshire (previously available)
Bedfordshire - NEW
Berkshire - NEW
Buckinghamshire - NEW
Cambridgeshire - NEW
Cornwall - NEW
Devonshire - NEW
Dorsetshire - NEW
Gloucestershire - NEW
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Forgot to add - I've put in a correction already!! And it was quite clear on the page.
BumbleB
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Well, think about it ..... I think it's way overpriced.
Makes it very expensive if you're looking for someone you don't know much about, or someone with a very common name who may not be living with their family, someone who isn't where you might have expected them to be, or just make a mistake.
Well, I have thought about it and havent changed my mind.
The costs involved to do this work must be staggering, I'm surprised it isnt more expensive....
It seems your expectations of a limited area Beta test are too high.
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Still not Lancs or Yorks then :(
They seem to be working UP the country :-\
Maggie
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So Sussex or Surrey either. Shame!
I have to agree with Newf, bearing in mind it is still 2008 and we are being allowed to see it considerably earlier than we did the 1901 I think the charges are quite reasonable. But then as I have said all along I had unused credits with FindMyPast that I have now been able to use, so I sort of saved up for it. ::)
Kerry
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virtually all the Home Counties ...
EXCEPT ...
E S S E X
>:(
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is there a link to the website and page i cant find it :-[
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re the cost i suppose when you compare to subscriptions most have been paying for a year, then it is expensive and would seem even more so when you find nothing:(
BUT compare a census result to a certificate most have paid £7 for you pay and wait a week, this way the result is instant,
and with the 1911 you have information on the whole family, as ive said if your not sure what your looking for then maybe best to wait, and as someone says above, in most cases this info has been there for a 100 years, so another few months they are not going anywhere;)
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virtually all the Home Counties ...
EXCEPT ...
E S S E X
>:(
Are sussex and Surrey not Home Counties now then? ::) ;)
Kerry
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I said - virtually all the Home Counties ;)
and I'm not sure Sussex ever was ? :P
1920: The London and Home Counties Electricity District consisted of the counties of London and Middlesex; and parts of Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent and Surrey.
1924: The London and Home Counties Traffic Advisory Committee, covering the London Traffic Area: London, Middlesex, and parts of Buckinghamshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent and Surrey.
1926: The Home Counties (Music and Dancing) Licensing Act regulated activities in all parts of Buckinghamshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent and Surrey within 20 miles of the City of London or City of Westminster.
1938: Green Belt (London and Home Counties) Act limited development in parts of Middlesex, Kent, Buckinghamshire, Surrey, Essex, Berkshire and Hertfordshire.
altho to be fair, it is considered part of the commuter belt ;)
Inicky - if we told you we've have to kill you ;)
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He He He
;D :D
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is there a link to the website and page i cant find it :-[
People who pre-registered their interest in the 1911 census are being e-mailed a link to try out the site to see how well it works etc. As part of the process of using the site you have to agree not to publish the web address anywhere. I guess they can only cope with a known number of users at the moment and don't want it to be overwhelmed and crash on them. So very sadly, if you don't get the e-mail inviting you to use it, you won't be able to until it goes on-line to everyone, which I think is going to be next year sometime.
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For those of us great unwashed who haven't received a personal invite, :'( are the searches free? If so I can think of some simple lookups that would be of great help.
Paul
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Only for our personal use, Paul. It's in bold at the top of the page.
Sorry
Gadget
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For those of us great unwashed who haven't received a personal invite, :'( are the searches free? If so I can think of some simple lookups that would be of great help.
Paul
Sadly not! It's 10 credits to see a transcript and 30 credits to see a facsimilie of the original (handwritten by your ancestors) page. 60 credits costs £6.95, 280 credits costs £24.95 and more credits than that for some other price that I don't remember!
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No the search is free. You have to pay to view the transcripts and the images.
I've just done lots of free searches and haven't used any of my spare left over credits.
Gadget
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Thanks all. I'll just have to wait then.
Paul
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hi Paul, i am also one of the great unwashed :'(
He He He
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I think it's excellent, as a trial site, roll on the real thing.
Is it just me, though? At the side of the surname box is a ? button, and it advises using a wildcard or variant search, but I can't see one anywhere.
Entering Joh* and Smi* would turn up no results at all, but just putting surname SMITH would turn up lots (just an example, not looking for a John Smith thank goodness).
I have emailed them - perhaps the variants search will be in the full version
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Hi Barbara
I've just putting in a * instead of one of the letters in a successful search that I'd done and nothing comes up - it must be a bug :-\
Gadget
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I have received the e-mail and must admit that I am quite impressed so far. Luckily I have ancestors in Wiltshire so as that is covered I have filled in a few gaps. However my biggest interest is in Essex so await that with great interest. Yes the cost is high but I am only looking for confirmation of a few missing details so for me it is not extortionate.
Geoff
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I've just used 30 credits on my Wiltshire in laws :o :o :o
My OH was really pleased to see his granddad's handwriting and find that the family were living 'above the shop', so 'twas worth it.
I just hope that the Welsh counties will come online soon for mine.
Easy to use but I think that 30 credits is overpriced compared with their previous pricing policy.
Gadget
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I got the email eventually but I have not been able to find a single one of the London families I am researching !
The search functionality is quite limited:
- completion of the surname field is mandatory so it's not possible to search by given names and birthplace only
- it's not possible to use wildcards;
- the search results don't show addresses or birthplaces or occupations or spouse names.
All very unsatisfactory in my view.
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- the search results don't show addresses or birthplaces or occupations or spouse names.
Yes they do Shaun, you have to click on Show advanced fields underneath the main search box.Then you can enter another person in the household.
I've usually gone by one of the kids names and then put one of the parents as another link in the household.
Good luck ;)
Carol
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I'm also one of the great unwashed :'(
Do you already have to subscribe to FindMyPast to get the email? I'm only registered for 1911 updates.
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They have explained about the search restrictions on the site on the blog (http://blog.1911census.co.uk:
'Wildcards and other fuzzy search features
December 20th, 2008
A lot of people have fed back that searching the census is not as flexible as it could be! There’s a good reason for that - at the moment some search functions are deliberately restricted. This is to allow the site to deal with more queries immediately after it goes online in 2009, when it is expected that there will be huge demand from people trying to access the service.
The majority of people will be able to find at least some of their ancestors with the current search options. However, as soon as the demand has stabilised, we will release updates to the site to turn on searching with wildcards (including an initial wildcard), provide NameThesaurus variants, and will also lift the restriction that requires users to use a surname for a person search or a street name for the address search. When these restrictions are relaxed it will be *much* easier to find the more elusive ancestors.
Sorry we can’t open these up to you for the moment - however, we need to test the site as it will be at launch. We will email everybody who is registered on the site the moment new features become available after launch, so make sure you register.'
So it looks as though we'll have to wait a while for more complex searching.
Cheers,
Tewin
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Has anyone had success with Berkshire? I have spent ages putting in both sets of Grand parent with lots of info, a little info and half as much info, Surname alone, surname plus town etc etc etc
Nada! :(
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Found someone!
The address was not findable from the address search, and one of the names wasn't findable in person search, presumably mistranscribed. The other person in the household just used her initials, to make it even more difficult.
However, as soon as the demand has stabilised, we will release updates to the site to turn on searching with wildcards (including an initial wildcard), provide NameThesaurus variants, and will also lift the restriction that requires users to use a surname for a person search or a street name for the address search. When these restrictions are relaxed it will be *much* easier to find the more elusive ancestors
Thanks for that Tewin - all is explained
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Having waited all this time I found the road with ALL the addresses, 2 through 51, except No: 41, the one I am looking for. It appears on Birth Certificates and in Kellys. Not a very good start for me I am afraid.
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I'm also one of the great unwashed :'(
Do you already have to subscribe to FindMyPast to get the email? I'm only registered for 1911 updates.
I just registered for updates - my email from them was in my spam box ;D
Rosie
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I'm also one of the great unwashed :'(
Do you already have to subscribe to FindMyPast to get the email? I'm only registered for 1911 updates.
I just registered for updates - my email from them was in my spam box ;D
Rosie
Same here - and I found the search facility very lacking - it couldn't find any of my grandparent's family by name, and it didn't recognise the street address until I left the word "Road" off the end, and just used the district name and the first word of the road in the advanced search. No mistranscriptions, though.
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I was so excited when I got my e-mail :D :D
To make matters even better, I found my Grandfather and Great Grandfather on the first attempt. Gr Grandad ran away to America in 1912 and could not be found on any US census until his death in 1932. He was a bit of a rogue and I was certain he would be hiding in 1911 so I was really excited to find him.
He moved to London in 1907 and none of the family ever knew where he and my grandfather lived (Grandad refused to discuss anything about his father) and now for the first time we know where he was :D :D
I then went on to find 4 other relatives so it was money well spent for me and I cant wait for the whole thing to be released.
This was an early Christmas present for me ;D
Anne-Marie
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Had my e-mail today.
Found the only members of my family known to be in London!
Looking forward to Lancashire!
Site worked well and print out of original page was very clear etc.
Kooky
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Hi
Yessss, got my email link today. Boo Hoo - not one county I want to view. I must say though, its a bit pricey :o
Has it been officially confirmed yet that ONLY Find my Past will get the 1911. My Ancestry membership is due February, I want to renew for another year (the expensive one with any new updated records) BUT will they have the 1911 when it eventually goes online - anyone know yet ???
Joan
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I understand Ancestry have said they will get the 1911 census in 2011 :(
Stan
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Sorry if someone has already posted the answer to this, but I can't see it.
Where on the site does it tell you all the counties presently searchable? There are more than the original four but I can't see a list etc.
Thanks,
Selina
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Re my above, I sent an e-mail to their 'problems' page. E-mail back; I am query number 3513. Hope to get back to me 3-4 days! If these are all errors, wow!
P.S. Not only was the one house missing, none of the surnames came up either, with or without first names.
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Sorry if someone has already posted the answer to this, but I can't see it.
Where on the site does it tell you all the counties presently searchable? There are more than the original four but I can't see a list etc.
Thanks,
Selina
Hi Selina :)
When you go to the search dialogue, there's a drop down list for counties - most of them say 'coming soon'. The ones that are available are:
Oh joy! More counties this morning...I found this on their blog:
8 more counties added to beta site
December 20th, 2008
We’ve added eight new counties overnight - the counties now available are:
London (previously available)
Middlesex (previously available)
Staffordshire (previously available)
Wiltshire (previously available)
Bedfordshire - NEW
Berkshire - NEW
Buckinghamshire - NEW
Cambridgeshire - NEW
Cornwall - NEW
Devonshire - NEW
Dorsetshire - NEW
Gloucestershire - NEW
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget!
Think I am going to do a lot of searching over the next two days!
Not decided yet whether to buy credits this time, its a bit of a rush at this time of year.
Sel
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I got my email this morning.
Sadly for me, 99.9% of mine are in Lancashire by 1911 so I'll have to be patient ;D but I had a look for GGrandfather Clark's married sisters in Camberwell & some of the hubby's farther off Sampsons in Uttoxeter / Hanley & all was well.
Found them easily, search results enabled me to pick the right ones, transcripts no problems & I like the scanned pages, so I filled out the online survey as requested too.
This is still the test mode & the subscription package is not announced yet I think - only credits for now & you can use them up on findmypast.
Generally happy with what I have seen - need to see what the subscription or on-going cost will be & when the other counties come through but fingers crossed for a fab New Year of searching ;D
SandraC
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Sel :)
I'm the last of the big spenders and I had 218 spare credits but even I am thinking twice about 30 credits a throw. I'll keep them for the direct lines only, I think.
Gadget
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Gadget,
I have just thought of someone I would really like to look up and as I now see that Cambridgeshire is on and it won't get any cheaper in the near future I may buy the minimum amount, and just settle for the transcription at this stage. LOL!
When the site is searchable by subscription I shall do the bulk of my reles.
Sel
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I've already used up most of my credits on London...& so must try to hang on now until Glamorganshire is available! ::) ::)
Fascinating though...to find my elusive G/Grandfather living with my G/Grandmother in Greenwich...only to find that his birthplace was Carnarvon!!
When does Wales come onboard??
Romilly :D :D :D
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Hi Romilly :)
What was his name and dob!
Gadget
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Hi Gadget, - Happy Christmas!! :D :D
He was: Thomas Louis NEWMAN, born Carnavon 1869, - but I can't find a Birth Entry for him so far:-(
And another curious thing...he doesn't seem to be on any of the Censuses, - apart from the 1911 ;D ;D
All Best Wishes, Romilly :) :)
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Hi Gadget, - Happy Christmas!! :D :D
He was: Thomas Louis NEWMAN, born Carnavon 1869, - but I can't find a Birth Entry for him so far:-(
And another curious thing...he doesn't seem to be on any of the Censuses, - apart from the 1911 ;D ;D
All Best Wishes, Romilly :) :)
See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,209955.msg1079835.html#msg1079835
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I read somewhere that Wales transcriptions are going to be going on after England because people had the option to have aWelsh form and complete it in Welsh. So they are having to translate the information so everyone can read it.
I have found everyone I expected to find pretty easily. I think the whole idea of this test is to iron out problems. I sent them an e-mail with my thoughts - the more people that do this the more chance the site will be what we would like it to be when it is fully available.
I had an e-mail from FindMyPast about 6 weeks ago saying that you can buy £5 vouchers for 50 credits from a stockists which is cheaper than what you can buy online. You can get them from archives and local history libraries - look at FindMyPast's website for a full ist. I bought £10 and wished I had got more now! I said to my dad who was with me at the time (who offered to get me £20 for an early Christmas present) there's no way I will need £20 pounds worth - famous last words.
They are phasing out these cheaper vouchers so I think when stocks are gone...
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I got the email eventually but I have not been able to find a single one of the London families I am researching !
The search functionality is quite limited:
- completion of the surname field is mandatory so it's not possible to search by given names and birthplace only
- it's not possible to use wildcards;
- the search results don't show addresses or birthplaces or occupations or spouse names.
All very unsatisfactory in my view.
Well it's a beta version. They want feedback so they can improve it by the time it's publically released - so you should let them know.
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Well it's a beta version. They want feedback so they can improve it by the time it's publically released - so you should let them know.
As Tewin has pointed out, some of the search functionality is turned off in the beta version. Wildcards will be turned on at a later stage and the surname will no longer be mandatory.
I will still feedback on the lack of helpful detail in the display of search results.
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What do you get if you opt for a transcript - is it a transcript of the whole household, or just the details of the person you searched for?
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Transcript of household.
Pauline
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Thanks, Pauline.
Just noticed this in the census search tips:
The original pages help to validate your findings and also enable you to see the household in the context of the surrounding households.
Now that's true of the earlier censuses, but on this one, do you get to see anything of the neighbouring households?
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I'm finally in. :)
I used up my first block of credits on two originals I was confident with. Both perfect hits on grandparents and greats. With one, I found they had lost two children. A new but perhaps sad thread to trace. And sister and sister's husband were there, another fact confirmed.
If it turns out as good as they promise I would take out a years subscription but I would not stay with pay-per-view. To get the best out of census you have to be able to search laterally. Up and down the street comes to mind, mapping a whole village is fun. You just could not do that with pay-per-view.
I've bought another block (my name is Paul and I am a genealogyolic 8) ) but I am going to think carefully about my next ones.
Paul
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Thanks, Pauline.
Just noticed this in the census search tips:
The original pages help to validate your findings and also enable you to see the household in the context of the surrounding households.
Now that's true of the earlier censuses, but on this one, do you get to see anything of the neighbouring households?
Not on the ones I've downloaded you don't - just one separate household, no neighbours. And apparently if your ancestors were especially productive and had more household members than the 15 gaps on the sheet, you have to shell out to download the second sheet.
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What do you get if you opt for a transcript - is it a transcript of the whole household, or just the details of the person you searched for?
info i got from the transcripts i bought
NAME
RELATIONSHIP TO HEAD
MARITAL STATUS
AGE
YEARS MARRIED
TOTAL CHILDREN BORN ALIVE
CHILDREN STILL LIVING (AMOUNT NOT NAMES)
CHILDREN WHO HAVE DIED (AMOUNT NOT NAMES)
OCCUPATION
INDUSTRY OR SERVICE TO WHICH WORKER IS CONNECTED
WORKER OR SELF EMPLOYED
WHETHER WORKING AT HOME
BIRTHPLACE
NATIONALITY OF PERSON BORN IN FOREIGN COUNTRY
INFIRMITY (HIDDEN UNTIL 2012)
AMOUNT OF ROOMS IN THE HOUSE
SIGNATURE OF HEAD (OR PERSON WHO FILLS IN FORM)
POSTAL ADDRESS
so as you can see, it will depend on the person filling in the form
all 3 of the ones i have bought have given me additional information
to what i had/knew, maybe a tip for some who have searched and found nothing
try doing it from the home page, not the advanced one, not saying it will work
for everyone, but a couple i did weren't found, yet put the same name in the front search
and found them,
re the neighbours it has a back and forward button to view previous household and next household, but wouldnt be worth doing this until it becomes a subscription, as you have to pay 30 credits for each, unless like michael owen your family owns the whole street, im pretty sure it will be handy, as we all know families didn't tend to move far then
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I have a PDF Printer driver. With it you can print web pages to PDF. There's a good 'printer friendly' view of the transcription that works well that way.
I don't use it but CutePDF is supposed to be able to do that too.
http://www.cutepdf.com/
Paul
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I've just downloaded a couple of transcripts, but they do not have all the information quoted above.
They have:
Name
Relationship to head
Marital status
Years married
Sex
Age in 1911
Occupation
Where born
plus details of the address. I did not get details of children except those in the household at the time.
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I've just downloaded a couple of transcripts, but they do not have all the information quoted above.
They have:
Name
Relationship to head
Marital status
Years married
Sex
Age in 1911
Occupation
Where born
plus details of the address. I did not get details of children except those in the household at the time.
i take it you mean the household transcript? and cost 10 units
to get the above (full information) its the household original page you need (30 units)
ie you get the actual census form
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Well, I searched for 3 families I was sure about - and found them all - so am well pleased. One was of my father's family, with him as a one year old!!! :)
Hope the Hertfordshire ones come soon - thats where the bulk of my family were at that time.
The price is a bit high, but well worth to be able to find the three I did.
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Not one member of either my family or that of my OH is in the counties so far up there. I am itching to have a look but I will just have to learn to be patient. I bet Yorks and Lancs come up on Dec. 25th.
:-\
Maggie
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I think the beta trial ends on 22nd December, Maggie. :(
I hope you get your counties before then. :)
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No worries Aniseed - my day will no doubt come, and I'm going to be a bit busy tomorrow and Monday therefore perhaps the potential diversion of Lancs/Yorks appearing would not be good news for me as I would not be able to resist trawling.
:-\
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I had that dilemma today when the new counties were put up! Write Christmas cards or look up my great great grandparents and their children's various families? No contest! ;D
(I managed to find all but one of them!)
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When you get your list of results up - you can (supposedly) click on the column headings. I clicked on the 'District/Other' column because I was hoping to find out which areas that district covered, but nowt happened!!
I'm having no luck at all trying to find my Russell family who I'm pretty sure were living in Medmenham, Bucks at the time. My great grandfather was John William Russell, and there's one such in the Eton District - right age as well (born 1868), but I don't think Medmenham would come under Eton and I can't find his wife Beatrice (1870) (tried all the spellings I could think of!!) or any of the younger children. The older ones - including my grandfather Fredericck - would probably be working away from home so not to worried about them at the moment.
Jill
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Hi Jillruss,
when you click on the column headings it sorts the record according to the information in the column you have clicked, so clicking on district/other does change things, it puts the records in the alphabetical order of the district listed (can be useful for grouping people likely to be the same household or living close to each other, for instance).
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Thanks for that!
Just tried to find another branch in Staffordshire. Found my great grandparents okay and all their children except - you guessed it - my grandmother!! She probably picked that particular date to go on an away day! Typical!
This is using the free search only - looks like I'm going to have to spend spend spend!!
Jill
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The charges really are staggering for seeing images. And if you have someone difficult to find - I have looked sometimes at over twenty images (and still not found them)
I see some new counties available Beds, Berks, Gloucs.
Some of my Egham ancestors have appeared in Berks, though they lived in Surrey
Bob
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I abhor pay-per-view myself, but I can understand why it was done. Nearly a mile of file shelving had to be photographed, digitised and transcribed, and this no doubt took a lot of labour. We must bear in mind that we are being given the opportunity to see this data 2 years early, and the company who did the preparation work (Brightsolid) want to see a return on their investment. People who object to paying around £2.70 to £3.00 to see the original copy of the return can always wait until the full release of the census in 2011, when it should be available on subscription.
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I'm not against pay per view (can't really with Scottish interests!) but 30 credits seems exhorbitant to me.
The same org that had the 1911 contract runs the Scotlands People site and there is a charge of 1 credit for an index search and 5 for a view/download of the full image. 1 unit/credit = 20p. They are also kept by default in your search history.
This means that most Scottish certs cost £1.20 compared with £7 for E & W ones and census pages cost the same - £1.20.
Again, Scottish wills cost £5 compared with £3.50 of PCC wills.
Isn't it time things were standardised :(
Gadget
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I agree, it should be standardised.
As this is currently proving so expensive I have decided to leave the really difficult ones to find until its cheaper and only use these trial to find those I am certain of. Otherwise I could spend loads of money I don't have ::)
Kerry
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Hi
Sadly I think things are already standardized. I have just been looking at WW1 war diaries which the National Archive has put on line and the cost to view an image is £3.50. It is not clear from the free index what information is in the image - you just get the name of a regiment, date and theatre - and the site warns that the diaries extend over several images. So to follow a unit through a major battle will cost you several £3.50s including a few exploratory stabs to find the right unit first.
All the best
Gobbo
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Hi
I believe the Wills at the National Archives are only up to 1858, after that date you have to purchase them from York at a cost of 5 pounds. I seem to recall that the cost is legislated which is the reason they also cost 5 pounds (and you can't use credits) from Scotlandspeople.
As far as certificates are concerned, Scotland has different legislation and can supply scans of the actual registers whereas England & Wales has to be certified and I think the 7 pound cost is also in the legislation. (one of the chatters more knowledgable on the law may be able to confirm this)
As far as the 1911 census is concerned, its still cheaper than the 1901 census was when first released.
Andy
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I'm not against pay per view (can't really with Scottish interests!) but 30 credits seems exhorbitant to me.
The same org that had the 1911 contract runs the Scotlands People site and there is a charge of 1 credit for an index search and 5 for a view/download of the full image. 1 unit/credit = 20p...........
The problem of course is that the population of Scotland in 1911 was rather less than the population of England, so the digitisation project was therefore quite a bit cheaper. Brightsolid (the people involved in the 1911 digitisation project) are a commercial company, and they will be wanting to make a profit from doing it.
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Have had a great time. Very lucky with counties available. Have found my great grand parents and grand parents, except my grandma who was probably working away and my great grandfather who was probably in Three Counties Asylum and therefore not included.
Pricey yes a bit perhaps but it was a huge project.
Sadly today it seems to have stopped working - is that just me?
Jan ;)
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It's working fine for me right now, Jan. I did get a page saying it wasn't, but I clicked back and tried again and it was fine. Try again and see what happens.
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I'm not against pay per view (can't really with Scottish interests!) but 30 credits seems exhorbitant to me.
The same org that had the 1911 contract runs the Scotlands People site and there is a charge of 1 credit for an index search and 5 for a view/download of the full image. 1 unit/credit = 20p...........
The problem of course is that the population of Scotland in 1911 was rather less than the population of England, so the digitisation project was therefore quite a bit cheaper. Brightsolid (the people involved in the 1911 digitisation project) are a commercial company, and they will be wanting to make a profit from doing it.
I don't think Scotland 1911 is coming out for a while. Brightsolid were lured south :)
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Just a thought ~ no one can blame the enumerators for bad handwriting on these images
Naughty ancestors!
Gadget ;D
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I'm not against pay per view (can't really with Scottish interests!) but 30 credits seems exhorbitant to me.
The same org that had the 1911 contract runs the Scotlands People site and there is a charge of 1 credit for an index search and 5 for a view/download of the full image. 1 unit/credit = 20p...........
The problem of course is that the population of Scotland in 1911 was rather less than the population of England, so the digitisation project was therefore quite a bit cheaper. Brightsolid (the people involved in the 1911 digitisation project) are a commercial company, and they will be wanting to make a profit from doing it.
I don't think Scotland 1911 is coming out for a while. Brightsolid were lured south :)
Sorry, I don't have any ancestors north of Yorkshire, so my experience of searching Scottish registers is zero :)
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Just a thought ~ no one can blame the enumerators for bad handwriting on these images
Naughty ancestors!
Gadget ;D
I was amazed at just how good my grandfather's writing was, because he was a Bricklayer, and I don't think he was very well educated. I wonder how long it will be before extracts of 1911 census images become commonplace on here ? :)
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It's working fine for me right now, Jan. I did get a page saying it wasn't, but I clicked back and tried again and it was fine. Try again and see what happens.
Still very firmly stuck on the home page :'( Perhaps they've decided I've found more than fair share ;D
Jan ;)
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It might be worth e-mailing the support address in the original e-mail they sent out, as they'd probably want to know about problems like that...that's what they're trying to iron out, after all! Good luck!
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Working again :D Must have just been a blip.
Jan ;)
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We might not be able to blame the enumerators for bad hand-writing, but:
Whoever wrote out the form used the surname Parrin, the person who signed the form (not the same writing) signed as Perrin, and it has been transcribed as Perrin!!
When I cross-checked in the BMDs, the family is Parrin!! But then when the daughter married in 1932ish she was Perrin!! Hey ho! ::) ::)
BumbleB
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for searching purposes it is expensive, best to use the 10 unit option, until your sure you have the correct
family, so far i have d/l 7 original 1911 census, and just one was wrong, so for me was worth every penny, both my great grand parents died shortly after the 1911 census and my Nan and her siblings ended up in care, and until i saw this i had no idea where they were living at the time, so this has been a superb help in tying up a few loose ends.
For others who search and pay and find nothing then obviously it will be a feeling of disappointment and think its a waste of money, as said for general searching purposes the cost is expensive, so best left until a subscription is available, i have been lucky that when ive searched with the info' i knew it was obvious i had the right ones,
Lets not forget prior to this beta, to get a page of the 1911 census would have cost you £45, maybe a good idea for the official release is for people to start now and collect credits,
re the handwriting i reckon a LOT are going to be better presented than previous census, as they will have had the forms in the comfort of their homes to fill in and been able to take time, whereas the previous were done on the doorstep, ive certainly found the ones ive d/l so far are excellent to read
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re the handwriting i reckon a LOT are going to be better presented than previous census, as they will have had the forms in the comfort of their homes to fill in and been able to take time, whereas the previous were done on the doorstep, ive certainly found the ones ive d/l so far are excellent to read
This is the first time we have been able to view the individual household schedules :)
The original schedules (on the earlier censuses) were filled in by the householder or close family/friend/neighbour/even enumerator. These were then copied onto the pages we are used to viewing by the enumerators - probsbly in the comfort of their own homes.
Poor enumerators - all that different handwriting to decipher. It must have been like doing 1000 lines :-\
Regards
Gadget
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I was amazed at just how good my grandfather's writing was, because he was a Bricklayer, and I don't think he was very well educated.
Thing is, Nick, I don't think we can always be sure that we are looking at the subject's own handwriting. Someone who couldn't write very well might have got someone else to fill the form in for them. Also some would be intimidated by an official form (that can still be the case today!)
I remember Flora Thompson in "Lark Rise to Candleford" commenting that while almost all the people in her village could write, many felt self-conscious and embarrassed that their handwriting wasn't good enough, and would still sign official documents with an X. I'm sure there were people who felt the same 30 years on.
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:'( Seriously jealous, I never received any email inviting me onto the census. although I registered ages ago. Good luck to all of you. Hope you all find loads of bricvk walls to destroy.
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:'( Seriously jealous, I never received any email inviting me onto the census. although I registered ages ago. Good luck to all of you. Hope you all find loads of bricvk walls to destroy.
Have a look in your spam account it appears some peoples went straight to their spam box ::)
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I was amazed at just how good my grandfather's writing was, because he was a Bricklayer, and I don't think he was very well educated.
Thing is, Nick, I don't think we can always be sure that we are looking at the subject's own handwriting. Someone who couldn't write very well might have got someone else to fill the form in for them. Also some would be intimidated by an official form (that can still be the case today!)
I remember Flora Thompson in "Lark Rise to Candleford" commenting that while almost all the people in her village could write, many felt self-conscious and embarrassed that their handwriting wasn't good enough, and would still sign official documents with an X. I'm sure there were people who felt the same 30 years on.
Well, unless my grandfather got someone to also forge his signature, that was his own handwriting :)
P.S. It would be useful to see the entries either side of the address, to compare handwriting, but I'm not going to do that whilst the pages cost £3 each ::)
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Just a thought ~ no one can blame the enumerators for bad handwriting on these images
Naughty ancestors!
Gadget ;D
I was amazed at just how good my grandfather's writing was, because he was a Bricklayer, and I don't think he was very well educated. I wonder how long it will be before extracts of 1911 census images become commonplace on here ? :)
My great great uncle had lovely handwriting but then he was a shipping clerk, which explains why he filled in the form and not his mother I suppose. ::)
Kerry
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Just had an email from 1911 customer support team,
Your enquiry has been received and has been assigned call number 6041 ....
I have four of these emails with 4 different numbers, but
I haven't raised any queries ???
anyone else had this problem ?
so now I will have to raise a query about the non existant query...
But overall liking the site, but as previously stated expensive, and one of the transcripts I wanted to view wasn't available.
so probably an 8 out of 10 :)
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While I understand the huge expense in digitising this census I do feel slightly conned that we are being asked to pay so much for what is a test site ........it's not possible to view all counties, it has faults and they want us to fill in a questionnaire!
It must be the time of year............call me scrooge!! >:( >:( >:(
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Probably a daft question, but I'll ask it anyway before I buy some credits! :-[
My printer's packed up, so will I be okay downloading the original page and saving it onto my PC?
Jill
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Fine - good idea anyway :)
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I've downloaded and backed up my 30 credits' worth and sent it to OH and myself via e-mail :)
Not printed it though!
Gadget
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Is there anywhere it says if the whole of a county is available?
Bucks is supposed to be there but I've tried and tried to find my Russells and I'm having no luck whatsoever. They had a few younger children, so I've had several names to go at but just can't find them on the free search.
They were in Medmenham in 1901 and still there in 1908 when youngest child Violet was born - and both parents died there. So, unless they suddenly upped sticks to another part of the country for a couple of years, they've been missed off!!
Jill
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I'm one of the lucky ones then, a good portion of my tree is in Staffordshire,
I have found 8 children born between 1901 and 1910, 3 more spouses.
I had no trouble with the site.
Like all PPV sites it is expensive so you have to be sure of what you are looking for.
Now I will wait with baited breath for the Lancashire pages to find my maternal grandmother's place of birth .She was married to my grandfather by this time and I cant find her birth. [ I had the same trouble waiting for the 1901 census having searched every nook and cranny of Lancashire. Only to discover in the 01 census that he was born in Staffordshire, which opened the floodgates.
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I'm wondering if the name Russell has been mistranscribed somehow but I can't figure out how to use any wildcards etc? ???
Jill
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hows the downloading going ?
Search tips from the site were copied into this thread earlier .... :)
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Sorry - must have missed them - I'll have another look. :-[
Haven't found anything to download yet!! :'(
Jill
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I think I may as well give up for now - no wildcard searching as yet and at the moment you have to search on surname, so there's no chance of finding them just on birthplace or another detail! All I can think is that my surname has been hideously mistranscribed. Curses!! ::)
Jill
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I wonder if some parishes are not there.
I cant find Twickenham in London or Middlesex. Can anyone else find it? Or would Twickenham appear under some other location?
Paul
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Middlesex - and a lot of PIECE numbers .... ???
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/searchresults.asp?SearchInit=0&txtsearchterm=twickenham&txtfirstdate=1911&txtlastdate=1911&txtrestriction=rg&hdnsorttype=Reference&image1.x=0&image1.y=0
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Downloading - not a problem and I wasn't actually given a choice of seeing the page, it was a case of download, a little note to that effect was posted - in order to save time so that as many people as possible can use the site at any one time. Beware though all pages are called "fname"!! And they go into your basket, so you won't have to pay to see them again (not that I've seen them in the first place, until I downloaded!!). Printing was OK as well.
BumbleB :)
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I am so envious at the accounts of the rellie's you have all found 8) in 1911.
I don't know if I had an invite to join or not, as I received so many up-dates I didn't read them all properly...who is sorry now :-[
I do have some credits left, but is the 1911 only going to be accessable from using special vouchers or can I use the credits I already have when it becomes available.
Ambers
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This one had "An exclusive invitation to preview 1911census.co.uk" in the title line, so if you read the titles as well as who it's from, you won't have missed it! It's worth checking your spam box, though.
Don't know the answer to your question about credits from FindMyPast as I don't use them other than the 1911 site.
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I used my credits that I had stored with FindMyPast and then ordered more ::)
Kerry
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Hi ambers :)
I had over 200 credits left over from before FindMyPast became a subscription site. They'd been lurking there unused for ages and I was able to use them on the 1911 site :)
Gadget
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Is there anywhere it says if the whole of a county is available?
Bucks is supposed to be there but I've tried and tried to find my Russells and I'm having no luck whatsoever. They had a few younger children, so I've had several names to go at but just can't find them on the free search.
They were in Medmenham in 1901 and still there in 1908 when youngest child Violet was born - and both parents died there. So, unless they suddenly upped sticks to another part of the country for a couple of years, they've been missed off!!
Jill
not sure if its your violet of not,? but i tried violet russell ,bucks, and it did find one born 1908 newport pagnell bucks
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Hi Aniseed,
Many thanks for letting me know the wording of the invite ..
I was in-indated with Spam at the time and got delete happy ::) therefore I lost some of the mail I had received from them.
It's killing me seeing Cornwall listed and not having access.. :-[
Ambers
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Hi cousin Gadget, :)
Oh good, at least I know I can use them and not have to purchase vouchers....
Ambers
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I have searched and found quite a few that I am interested in. I have printed off the searches.
I was on the point of buying credits, but then I decided that they could have given us a better deal. A very limited number of counties at a time when we are all busy and money may be short for some people. They could have offered us a better deal - so I will wait until the Spring.
I think the site is OK with a few adjustments.
Sel
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Has anyone had success with Berkshire? I have spent ages putting in both sets of Grand parent with lots of info, a little info and half as much info, Surname alone, surname plus town etc etc etc
Nada! :(
Hi Abiam, Where do you start. I have my bar of soap ;) But must be still unwashed...... :-[
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I quite like being able to search on someone with another family member named. That should be quite useful.
Now someone is going to tell me I missed that facility that has been on Ancestry for the last 10 years ::)
Kerry
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It's been on Scotlands People for about a year, Kerry :)
A*try just have parents and spouse but don't really use it :-\
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Thanks for looking for my Violet Russell, les_looking. I did find that one - and she's the right age - but Newport Pagnell isn't right + I couldn't find any of her siblings or her parents listed there.
Without buying some credits to check it out, I'm still in the dark. It seems that the minimum credits you can buy is 60, and so far I've only found one household in Staffs (for my other branch) that might be mine so it's just not worth it.
I'm beginning to think that there are some parishes missing - especially with Lesanne's comments about the missing Berkshire entries.
I'm hoping that it's looking pretty likely that the finished site will be launched pretty soon so I think I'll be patient and wait. I'd really like to be able to find my Yorkshire ancestors, as there are a few more answers I'm looking for there - but it seems that Yorkshire isn't going to feature on this beta test site, especially as someone said it finishes tomorrow.
Jill
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I cant find Twickenham in London or Middlesex. Can anyone else find it? Or would Twickenham appear under some other location?
Hi Paul, I think Twickenham may count as Surrey, so there's hope yet...
Cheers,
Tewin
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It's been on Scotlands People for about a year, Kerry :)
A*try just have parents and spouse but don't really use it :-\
Sadly I don't have any ancestors north of the border or not that I've found yet anyway
Scotlands People sounds like a great site but I've never even visited it.
Kerry
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http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/searchresults.asp?fldResultMarker=21&fldSearchNumber=21955&SearchInit=1&j=1
This is for Maidenhead and area in Berkshire.. ;) Just getting prepared... ;D
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It's been on Scotlands People for about a year, Kerry :)
A*try just have parents and spouse but don't really use it :-\
Sadly I don't have any ancestors north of the border or not that I've found yet anyway
Scotlands People sounds like a great site but I've never even visited it.
Kerry
Pop on to see the resources section, Kerry - lots of good links and tips on general FH and you won't have to pay :)
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Thanks for the tip, I'll have a look. ;)
Kerry
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Thanks for looking for my Violet Russell, les_looking. I did find that one - and she's the right age - but Newport Pagnell isn't right + I couldn't find any of her siblings or her parents listed there.
Without buying some credits to check it out, I'm still in the dark. It seems that the minimum credits you can buy is 60, and so far I've only found one household in Staffs (for my other branch) that might be mine so it's just not worth it.
I'm beginning to think that there are some parishes missing - especially with Lesanne's comments about the missing Berkshire entries.
I'm hoping that it's looking pretty likely that the finished site will be launched pretty soon so I think I'll be patient and wait. I'd really like to be able to find my Yorkshire ancestors, as there are a few more answers I'm looking for there - but it seems that Yorkshire isn't going to feature on this beta test site, especially as someone said it finishes tomorrow.
Jill
yep i guess for most it has just been a teaser, as i mentioned iv'e been VERY lucky in what i have found
and been worth every penny, but would be way to expensive to now search the additional info i have also sussed out,
but as some have been dead for close to 100 years another few months is not going to hurt,
i also have a feeling we went wrong somewhere, ::) as one of the address's i found my nan living in, in 1911, sold 2 years ago for £750,000, even with the crunch id be prepared to take the loss lol
i suppose 100 years ago they didn't hear "get into property"
good luck
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Thanks! I think I'm going to need it!! ::)
Jill
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Must be nice to have addresses. Mine hardly ever do, unless it's a farm or a pub. Just the name of the road if you're lucky. The joys of country living!
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I've just downloaded a couple of transcripts, but they do not have all the information quoted above.
They have:
Name
Relationship to head
Marital status
Years married
Sex
Age in 1911
Occupation
Where born
plus details of the address. I did not get details of children except those in the household at the time.
i take it you mean the household transcript? and cost 10 units
to get the above (full information) its the household original page you need (30 units)
ie you get the actual census form
Yes, that's what I thought, but with respect, you did say transcript, not original, in your earlier post where you listed all the other features. I'd already got mine, but it might be a bit misleading for others.
Not long to go now ... hopefully the trial will still be available all day tomorrow. Very clever of them to time it when everyone's so busy with other stuff! ;D
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Hi
Sadly I think things are already standardized. I have just been looking at WW1 war diaries which the National Archive has put on line and the cost to view an image is £3.50. It is not clear from the free index what information is in the image - you just get the name of a regiment, date and theatre - and the site warns that the diaries extend over several images. So to follow a unit through a major battle will cost you several £3.50s including a few exploratory stabs to find the right unit first.
All the best
Gobbo
I have downloaded several wills with more than one page/image from TNA Docs OnLine and it cost £3.50 for the lot, had one with six pages. Why not e-mail them to check whether it's the same for the war diaries?
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Not sure if the beta site is using the same server as the main FindMyPast site but the main one is decidedly slow tonight :-\
Gadget
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Lesanne,
Sorry I missed your post! Been busy reading about POW's in Burma and Thailand. Very harrowing.
Someone advised me to just put surname and County and both lots of Grandparents were there. And with all the right children no surprises! I spent ages trying to find them!
With FindMyPast proper and the 1911 I think less in put works better.
Have a Happy Christmas :D
Abiam
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I've just downloaded a couple of transcripts, but they do not have all the information quoted above.
They have:
Name
Relationship to head
Marital status
Years married
Sex
Age in 1911
Occupation
Where born
plus details of the address. I did not get details of children except those in the household at the time.
i take it you mean the household transcript? and cost 10 units
to get the above (full information) its the household original page you need (30 units)
ie you get the actual census form
on the transcript you get the address but not the number of children living and dead,
on the original, you don't get the address-so you need to spend 40 credits
far too expensive for me-my credits all went looking up five records
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Sorry if this has already been answered, but is it necessary to download a viewer to use the beta version?
I only have access to a work PC, and we're not allowed to download applications!
Diana
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on the original, you don't get the address
The address should be in the bottom right hand corner of the image, below the signature
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Image removed as the test site is not yet open for general use and users agree not to publish extracts before it is officially opened in 2009.
sigh .... hardly an extract - the bottom rh corner of a relations signature and address ?
They charge like a wounded Bull for the priviledge of seeing our own ancestors !
Damn cheek I thought charging for a Beta test of their software !
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Sorry if this has already been answered, but is it necessary to download a viewer to use the beta version?
I only have access to a work PC, and we're not allowed to download applications!
You don't have to download any software, but you do download the .jpg file showing the image of the actual census return because to save server capacity you can't see the actual images online (they're going to change that once they're up and running). The image files are about 500-600kb each. If you just want a transcript, that pops up on the screen straight away.
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I've just downloaded a couple of transcripts, but they do not have all the information quoted above.
They have:
Name
Relationship to head
Marital status
Years married
Sex
Age in 1911
Occupation
Where born
plus details of the address. I did not get details of children except those in the household at the time.
i take it you mean the household transcript? and cost 10 units
to get the above (full information) its the household original page you need (30 units)
ie you get the actual census form
Yes, that's what I thought, but with respect, you did say transcript, not original, in your earlier post where you listed all the other features. I'd already got mine, but it might be a bit misleading for others.
Not long to go now ... hopefully the trial will still be available all day tomorrow. Very clever of them to time it when everyone's so busy with other stuff! ;D
yes sorry so to clarify, transcript you get the info you mention (cost 10 credits)
original household you get the fill info (cost 30 credits) which also as Newf and Shaunj say you DO get the address
written in their own hand + signature
if you are doing an initial search to find anyone and you get the transcript, then decide it is what you want and go for original
it will cost 40 credits, one thing i did like not sure if it will continue in full release, any transcripts or originals you d/l
are in your records, so even though we have d/l them they are also still available once paid in there "free"
as i say not sure if that will be available next year, or once millions jump onboard in will take up to much bandwidth?
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Sorry if this has already been answered, but is it necessary to download a viewer to use the beta version?
I only have access to a work PC, and we're not allowed to download applications!
You don't have to download any software, but you do download the .jpg file showing the image of the actual census return because to save server capacity you can't see the actual images online (they're going to change that once they're up and running). The image files are about 500-600kb each. If you just want a transcript, that pops up on the screen straight away.
That's great - thanks, Aniseed! The JPEGs shouldn't be a problem.
Now I know how I'm going to spend my lunchbreak!
Diana
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Enjoy! ;D ;D ;D
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On the transcript I downloaded the hosehold address was in the boxes at the bottom of page one, going over on to the second page, included in the Census reference details.
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On the transcript I downloaded the hosehold address was in the boxes at the bottom of page one, going over on to the second page, included in the Census reference details.
Modem, how do you get the second page? I've only ever downloaded one.
There's a discussion in the Common Room at the moment about the lack of reference numbers on the 1911 census.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,348892.0.html
FindMyPast don't allow them as search parameters at the moment. It will make it harder to find them again, or even point other people in the right direction.
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There's a discussion in the Common Room at the moment about the lack of reference numbers on the 1911 census.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,348892.0.html
Hi Aniseed,
After you've downloaded either an image or a transcription you can then click on the 'My Records' tab. This will list everything you have paid for, along with the complete census reference.
Paul
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After you've downloaded either an image or a transcription you can then click on the 'My Records' tab. This will list everything you have paid for, along with the complete census reference.
Thanks so much for that Paul! :D I hadn't even looked at the 'My Records' tab. So much more useful than I thought! Am I right in thinking though that they disappear after a certain amount of time?
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After you've downloaded either an image or a transcription you can then click on the 'My Records' tab. This will list everything you have paid for, along with the complete census reference.
Thanks so much for that Paul! :D I hadn't even looked at the 'My Records' tab. So much more useful than I thought! Am I right in thinking though that they disappear after a certain amount of time?
If they're using the same format as Scotlands People, the records are in My Records for ever unless you delete them :)
Gadget
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I have received my Invitation to use Beta trial to-day ;D ;D ;D
I am sure I read somewhere that the offer closes to-day though ???
I have found ggrandma with grandad and his sister plus a few others in Devon and Cornwall :D . I couldn't resist having a look at the originals.
I hope it is cheaper to search in the future, as I used £13.90 in about 10 minutes....but it's made my Christmas and confirmed that my research is correct ;)
Ambers
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I've just received the invite again today, I received it on Friday originally. Perhaps they have lengthened the trial period :-\
Kerry
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On the transcript I downloaded the hosehold address was in the boxes at the bottom of page one, going over on to the second page, included in the Census reference details.
Modem, how do you get the second page? I've only ever downloaded one.
There's a discussion in the Common Room at the moment about the lack of reference numbers on the 1911 census.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,348892.0.html
FindMyPast don't allow them as search parameters at the moment. It will make it harder to find them again, or even point other people in the right direction.
Sorry did not make it clear, the transcription runs into two pages when I print it out and the address is in all the stuff after the info about the inhabitants.
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On the transcript I downloaded the hosehold address was in the boxes at the bottom of page one, going over on to the second page, included in the Census reference details.
Modem, how do you get the second page? I've only ever downloaded one.
There's a discussion in the Common Room at the moment about the lack of reference numbers on the 1911 census.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,348892.0.html
FindMyPast don't allow them as search parameters at the moment. It will make it harder to find them again, or even point other people in the right direction.
Sorry did not make it clear, the transcription runs into two pages when I print it out and the address is in all the stuff after the info about the inhabitants.
PS it also appears on the "print" version of the transcript.
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the 2 transcripts I printed were only one page each... I expect it depends how many people were in the household. ;D
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It wont currently let me download an image. Says its busy! lol dunno how long i gotta wait. Anyone else getting this?
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:D received my invite today, it says it is for the duration of december ;D
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They've extended it then. Good news! I wonder if that means they had lots of problems so they need to test it for longer, or if it means it went so well they can cope with more users - they certainly seem to be inviting more people in today. Frustratingly I can't remember now where it said December 22nd, but I know it did because I re-checked it before I posted it here.
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Well it obviousely can't cope. I can do searches, but it wont let me look at them! grrr i have plent of credits! Saying its too busy
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I finally gave in and bought some credits (I knew I wouldn't last out!).
Gjones - I only found one family - I couldn't view it as such, but was given a link to click on which downloaded it to my PC, and I could then view it - and save it.
Jill
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It's impossible to resist isn't it Jill. 8)
If you know exactly where you want to look, I've worked out how to build a census reference. Have a look here, and my posts below it.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,348892.msg2273677.html#msg2273677
Paul
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Very clever!
I think you've just made me realise why my Russells are not to be found.
Bucks is on the 1911 Beta test but Oxfordshire is marked as 'coming soon'. Following your links, I rediscovered (I should have remembered this from birth certs etc , but , in my own defence, it's been a while!) that, although Medmenham is actually in Bucks, it comes under the Henley Reg District - and, of course, Henley is in Oxon.
So that's that mystery solved.
Thanks very much for helping me sort that out!
...and relax!!! 8)
Jill
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So it looks as if there's going to be no Welsh counties, no Shropshire or Cheshire on the Beta. I'm just left with my Wiltshire in laws :'( :'( :'(
Gadget - 188 credits left and nothing to spend them on :'( :'( :'( :'(
Added - it's not a very good Beta if they leave out the Welsh/Cymraeg shedules. That's what I say - FindMyPast fail in doing trialing :(
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Seems a little harsh, Gadget, - they made it clear that it was limited counties availablee on the beta pag, and from their updates it sounds as though they're still scanning the documents at Kew. Why should we expect everything all at once?
Maybe I'm biased cos the vast majority of my rellies are London and home counties (though there are enough Lancs to keep me in suspense), but given that I expected to wait until 2012 I'm EXTREMELY grateful to get my hands on whatever they can throw at me...
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3 1/4's of my relatives are from Wales and other places. But some of mine are from staffordshire. Its given me a nice taster and im happy with only having a couple, than none at all. I couldnt have waited till 2012!
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:D ;) Gadget.... you could always look for my very elusive Robert Norris bc1869 living somewhere in Maidenhead Berks...... :D
I haven't had an invite :'(
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I've got to wait for Sussex and Surrey where 3/4 of my lot were. Very few in London by the time of the 1911 but it was a nice taster and it proved my Great grandad was no longer there ::) So I have to wait now to actually find him in sussex
Kerry
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I have been very lucky - found great gr father (my avatar) and 7 of his 10 children all living in Staffs and then one set of OH's grandparents in London. ;D
I am looking forward to the Derbyshire and Manchester release in due course. I think that I had better start saving now! Most of my maternal line come from these two areas and there were a lot of them.
Nell
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I've just received the invite again today, I received it on Friday originally. Perhaps they have lengthened the trial period :-\
Kerry
Kerry .. I've just received the invite today .. it had gone into my spam folder as someone suggested earlier .. !
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Seems a little harsh, Gadget, - they made it clear that it was limited counties available on the beta Page, and from their updates it sounds as though they're still scanning the documents at Kew. Why should we expect everything all at once?
Maybe I am harsh but I'm judging it by pukka IT and research testing standards. If they are going to do a Beta then they need to make sure that a full range of areas (which have different problems/features, etc) are covered.
This they have failed to do.
They seem to not have been systematic in their choice of counties/sampling units. And are charging us the full wack for the privilege.
This is not professional!
Gadget
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Seems a little harsh, Gadget, - they made it clear that it was limited counties availablee on the beta pag, and from their updates it sounds as though they're still scanning the documents at Kew. Why should we expect everything all at once?
Maybe I am harsh but I'm judging it by pukka IT and social research standards. If thye are going to do a Beta then they need to make sure that a full range of areas (which have different problems/features, etc) are covered.
This they have failed to do.
They seem to nothave been systematic in their choice of counties/sampling units.
This is not professional!
Gadget
Gadget
I agree that there is nothing systematic about their choice of counties, London I can sort of understand but the others all seem a bit random. It might have been better to sample from all counties/counties to give a broader sweep of people a go at sampling the new site.
How do we know that there aren't massive mistranscriptions for instance with Welsh names. :-\
But then what would we know ::)
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
People here are pleased/excited by what they have discovered and have been willing to use credits for what is a test run. There have been no concessions whatsoever, as far as I can see.
Yes they need to cover their costs, but not on a test run.(Maybe half price :-\). It smacks of trying to get in some return as quickly as possible. We are the guinea pigs and we have to pay for the privilege. It's not professional.
Me thinks I might have a bit to say to them - Maybe Christmas afternoon ;D ;D ;D
Gadget
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:'( Well I still can't find my Robert... :'(
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Me thinks I might have a bit to say to them - Maybe Christmas afternoon ;D ;D ;D
I've had my say in their questionnaire. I also made a correction, which they answered today, but had no reply from a query I sent to customer support, maybe they're overwhelmed!!
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I was wondering about how it would work out with the Welsh names and places
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I searched for Nicholas Thomas in Cornwall, and had to pay each time to view who else was in the household, as there were quite a few with the same birth year and place.
Had this been in Wales the amount of people with the same details would have been enormous, and I won't be able to afford it.
Apart from the fact that our rellie's don't always put the correct facts down from year to year on the census, making it even more expensive searching for them in 1911.
It was very difficult for me to pin point them in the other census years even though I had a subscription and I could search 24/7
I think there might be a problem for us looking for rellie's in Wales, and maybe it would be best if they did a test run.
Ambers
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I was excited when I received the invite to view but now I am very disappointed :(
No Yorkshire and no Wales :( :( :(
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Are we to assume that there will be no further counties added to the beta test?
If that's the case, I may as well stop bothering!
I am, of course, very happy for all you jammy lovely people who have found your ancestors. That goes without saying (remember Spit the Dog? here insert said dog's famous action!!) ;D ;D ;D
Jill
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If you have not been on today, they added 8 counties.
Rog
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If you have not been on today, they added 8 counties.
Rog
Careful, Rog, you'll get us all excited! Having just been back to the test site I can't see any new counties since those they added on Saturday (listed at Tewin's reply #78 on page 6 above). Or have I missed something?
Anna
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I'm champing at the bit for Durham and Essex but I do hope poor Jill gets a Christmas present.
I've found two images containing a total of 3 direct ancestors. I also sent a third to a second cousin as a surprise Christmas present. I'm planning another prezzie as soon as I can download again. I've been lucky as most of mine are in London or Dorset but I can't find gt grandad Speight. He was a Policeman in London in 1901. I wonder if they've moved. He was due to retire.
Christmas dinner is in the freezer so that's safe but I haven't yet got prezzies. I'd better get them first. ;D
Paul
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Well ive now proven a great great Aunt that i suspected was related. And also confirmed how many children two direct ancestors had and how many died. So its been great!
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Beta extended to 24 December
Paul
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sorry i missed it - what counties are covered ?
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I've just been on the site this morning and so it definitely has been extended as it's now the 23rd, and there are more counties:
beds, berks, bucks, cambridge, cornwall, devon, dorset, gloucester, hants, hereford, herts, huntingdon, london, middlesex, norfolk, oxford, rutland, shropshire, staffs, suffolk, surrey, sussex, warwickshire, wiltshire and worcestershire.
BumbleB :)
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I'm not excited but seriously - Sussex and Surrey :o :o
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
People here are pleased/excited by what they have discovered and have been willing to use credits for what is a test run. There have been no concessions whatsoever, as far as I can see.
Yes they need to cover their costs, but not on a test run.(Maybe half price :-\). It smacks of trying to get in some return as quickly as possible. We are the guinea pigs and we have to pay for the privilege. It's not professional.
Me thinks I might have a bit to say to them - Maybe Christmas afternoon ;D ;D ;D
Gadget
However I do agree with you Gadget, it seems a little pricey considering we are testing out the system for them. Should really be cheaper than 40 credits per image.
Kerry
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I'm starting to think that we should be awarded credits to test it. And we are asked to complete a questionnnaire at the end. They sometimes offer rewards in some surveys :D
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They do Gadget, I belong to a website where I get awarded points for questionnaires and taste tests and all sorts.
As its Christmas they could have been a lot more generous and lot less bah humbuggy :(
Kerry
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I can finally take a real interest in this now, as have been able to find some people connected to my tree with the latest batch of counties.
If Santa can sort it so that Durham, North Yorks or West Yorks (I'm not too fussy, would just love it to see some direct relatives!) are available in the morning it would be much appreciated :).
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I found quite a few in Sussex and Surrey plus this coincidental one. My great grandmother working in the Department Store owned by my brother in laws great grandparents. :o :o
Kerry
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Hi
I cannot remember ever having seen a beta site test that was not free or brought some significant reward to the testers. Although it is great for us to get this taster they too are getting valuable experience of how their database works and what their customers need. They really ought to consider giving us some credits or a heavy discount on our purchased credits.
Merry Christmas
Gobbo
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That will make a good Christmas story Kerry! Hearing stories like that only makes me more impatient though ;)
Where are the Northern Counties? Atleast if Lancashire were up I could feel I was unlucky rather than being discriminated against (I am sure there is a perfectly logical reason for the way they are coming up but doesn't stop me feeling miffed!).
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Yippee.. Oxfordshire.... :( :( nope not there......... :'(
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Is Wales going to be on there at all??
Does anyone know...???
Romilly :o :o :o
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Have to agree with Gobbo and others, tis a strange way to run a Beta - charging like a wounded Bull, when they re getting the benefit of extended real world testing ... I'm not expecting a reward, just free access would be fine in exchange for my time and written feedback.
I'm also not ungrateful for being invited and able to access the information ...
Those of you saving the images, be most careful not to breach the T's & C's - I know first hand that the site is being policed ;)
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Oh my goodness, I've got a touch of the vapours ;D ;D ;D
By accident I've found that Chirk, Denbighshire has been included in Oswestry, Shropshire and my Mum and Dad are there and my grandparents (of course) and 4 great grandparents :o :o :o
158 units left - how long before they all go.
I still hold the views I've expressed earlier mind.
Gadget
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Yes!! Norfolk's there :D
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Luckily one great grandparent was living with my grandparents so I've just spent 150 credits in 2 mins :o
I've got 8 left ::) ::) ::)
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I'm not so sure Newf.
As people are effectively only being charged for receiving a product which will be exactly the same when the website goes live, I think it is fair to charge a comparable fee to what will be used later.
If they were going to offer anything I think the idea of giving 'testers' a few free credits for when the real site goes live would be a decent compromise.
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Sorry - I'm so excited. There's my lovely Mum, aged 1 year and 10 months and doesn't speak any language (the rest spoke English!) - Bless :)
And Grandad's signature is exactly the same as the writing in the family bible. I thought that his wife had done the entries in the bible but he had.
Is it allowed under the terms and conditions to send my sister a copy?
Gadget
:D :D :D
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Lesanne
Hampshire (NEW)
Herefordshire (NEW)
Hertfordshire (NEW)
Huntingdonshire (NEW)
Norfolk (NEW)
Northamptonshire (NEW)
Oxfordshire (NEW)
Rutlandshire (NEW)
Shropshire (NEW)
Suffolk (NEW)
Surrey (NEW)
Sussex (NEW)
Warwickshire (NEW)
Worcestershire (NEW)
It is there - OXFORDSHIRE
Chris in 1066
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:o :o :o :o
Great Granny Marget told fibs - she had two illegitimate children and she's put down none on her fertility bit :o :o :o
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:) Hi Chris... Happy Christmas.
Thanks for that, yes, Oxford is but my Robert Norris isn't >:( ....
(2ys in 1871 b Kilburn Mdx)
Sorry :-[ I should of worded my post more accurately insted of thinking everyone was sitting here..... listening to my mutterings.... ;D ;D
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Great Granny Marget told fibs - she had two illegitimate children and she's put down none on her fertility bit
Tricky question, the fertility question! Illegitimate children or children of previous relationships aren't accounted for at all, the way the question is phrased (=children born alive to present marriage) >:(
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Notice the married bit after, Tati :(
I have found that my other great grandmother had one other child that died. I knew of one. I'll have to go search for the other. It might give some clues. There was an 18 month gap between their marriage and my grandfather being born.
Gadget
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I have found that my other great grandmother had one other child that died.
Same for me - both my ggmother and gggmother had more children than I had found :(
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Anyway, of more general interest is that the part of Denbighshire that was in the Oswestry Registration District is included with the Shropshire data.
I'll put it up on the Denbighshire board for info. :)
Gadget
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:D :D How about 5 more.......... Phew........ ::)
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i've been searching and can see people i knew where they were anyhow its the others - the ones that i dont know where they are i need to find!
i have not viewed the records as yet
and i cant open my tree programme to update each persons data file to say where they were and wiuth whom thats whats bugging me at the mo.
no Leicestershire but we cant have everything
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As people are effectively only being charged for receiving a product which will be exactly the same when the website goes live, I think it is fair to charge a comparable fee to what will be used later.
ah, but theres the rub - it WONT be the same product when it goes live, as it will have benefitted from testing and the corrections of exposed (logic) errors.
I'd rather be incented to do their testing, than to be 'rewarded' in a few months time.
Its actually an industry defacto standard to acknowledge the time and effort in some such sort of way ....
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i thought there was a 'view other people in the household button' but i can't find it
when does it go 'live' is it the 1st Jan?
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when does it go 'live' is it the 1st Jan?
They have never said a date just " in 2009".
I read somewhere recently the words " in the spring" ::)
Hope someone else knows more?
Carol
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;D ;D Ah, but if we weren't a bunch of '"must have it now and can't wait'" ........they wouldn't have any guinea pigs..... ??? ::)
Opps... must go feed them, too... time does fly, when your having fun... ;)
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Is it just me or are image downloads not working?
I can find the entry but when I hit the 'View Original Page' button it just says "We are sorry but the image is not currently available". :'(
Paul
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Carol
I read somewhere in the 1911 blurb that it was going live on Jan 3rd 2009
Chris in 1066
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Paul,
Viewing is not working, but for me downloading is.
Rog
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Paul,
Viewing is not working, but for me downloading is.
Rog
Thanks Rog, must be just me or the image. What a shame.
Paul
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:D Well that's all my credits gone... £25 quid down the drain.... Robert's still in the coal shed.... ;D ;D
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maybe Robert is not in the counties covered - does that narrow it down Les?
;)
any chance he could have been away and did you find Ada who went to Aus? or did you not look?
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Ada not about.... Robert Huh. fat chance... ???
Just had a search for my nan... that gave me an 123 yr old that was born 1800 or 1911........ hahaha.... :D
That's done it for me.... presi wrapping to do.... C yuz all later... have fun... 8) 8)
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Carol
I read somewhere in the 1911 blurb that it was going live on Jan 3rd 2009
Chris in 1066
Chris
I must read different blurb to you ;)
But have seen this on their website " The entire, unredacted census will be made available on 3 January 2012 (first working day). "
I,like you, are waiting(patiently) for Cheshire now :D
Carol
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Thanks Rog, must be just me or the image. What a shame.
Don't lose hope, Paul! I had this on some of my households and the images became available a day or 2 later.
:)
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Thanks Rog, must be just me or the image. What a shame.
Don't lose hope, Paul! I had this on some of my households and the images became available a day or 2 later.
:)
I'll try Tati. Thanks. :)
Paul
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Now wondering if I'll be alive in January 2022 to see the 1921. I'll be in my late 70s :-\
No 1931 or 1941 so that will be it :(
Gadget
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Hi Carol
You may be right, I cant remember the exact wording just the '3rd January' bit
Ubfortunately, I am not expecting to find more than just one or two in Cheshire in 1911 as most of the family had by then left the county after some 250 years residence in Cheshire and gone to Staffs, Notts & Derbyshire
I got the 19 entries for Staffs, but its the Notts I really want as it will have my mam and dad on it
It would have been nice to show my mam (now 87) a copy of her dads signature as well.
Ah well, will have to wait
Chris in 1066
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Carol
I read somewhere in the 1911 blurb that it was going live on Jan 3rd 2009
Chris in 1066
Chris
I must read different blurb to you ;)
But have seen this on their website " The entire, unredacted census will be made available on 3 January 2012 (first working day). "
I,like you, are waiting(patiently) for Cheshire now :D
Carol
The key word is unredacted that means with all the sensitive information shown. The census with the sensitive information not shown will be available from Jan 3rd 2009.
Stan
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Hurrah!! Found my Russells - now that Oxfordshire is available to search. How exciting!! Except, like my Staffs branch, my grandparent wasn't at home - but I found him too!! I knew he was a gardener, and he's there living with a load of other gardeners!!
I've emailed the bods in charge of the site though - as my Russells are still only to be found if I search Oxfordshire - and they lived in Medmenham, Bucks.
I'm sure there'll be a lot of similar instances, when a town/village is in a Reg District assigned to another county, so I just hope they're on top of that!!
Otherwise, big smiles today!! ;D ;D ;D
Jill
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Just to remind Gadget that the Scottish 1931 census will appear at the appropriate time.
Imber
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As people are effectively only being charged for receiving a product which will be exactly the same when the website goes live, I think it is fair to charge a comparable fee to what will be used later.
ah, but theres the rub - it WONT be the same product when it goes live, as it will have benefitted from testing and the corrections of exposed (logic) errors.
I'd rather be incented to do their testing, than to be 'rewarded' in a few months time.
Its actually an industry defacto standard to acknowledge the time and effort in some such sort of way ....
Fair enough, Newf, I completely understand your point of view.
I guess my lack of knowledge in this area (my only beta experience is one online computer game!) might be responsible for my naivety when it comes to what I should expect from a beta version. However I am seeing the 'test' as more of an opportunity to get early access to something.
It might not be as easy to find what I am looking for (but that is free anyway), but if there is something I find I want to download, I am happy to pay for that. It is just as valuable to me as it would be when the site goes live and from my perspective getting my hands on it earlier more then compensates me (especially with my Ancestry subscription running out soon!) for doing their testing.
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If you're happy with it, thats fine, so maybe in that case as everybody has benefitted, thats the 'reward'
;)
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I've just had a look at the 1911 blog. There could be a lot of over-cooked turkeys around on the 25th - my understanding of the message is that this trial will continue over the Christmas period - they are talking about picking up Support messages on 29 December and there will be no support staff on 27 and 28, which implies that the site will continue until at least the 29th!!
BumbleB
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I have a hunch that they will slowly add more counties up until 3rd Jan. - the Welsh ones where they have to do some translations might be late - and then they'll just switch from Beta to full system.
I was lucky that my ancestors were on the borders and fell within an English RD and my in laws were in Wiltshire. I've not got much more to look for now, just a few in Cheshire and Lancs and Yorks but they're cousins, etc.
Gadget
PS - IMBER - no rellies that I can think of in Scotland in 1931. They'd all left to find their fortunes ;D ;D ;D
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We can only hope. Wales would be a great addition for me. I have everyone in england i needed to get. Just need a few records from wales now. And ill be done for 1911. Eventually if it is on subcription ill then try and get all the aunties/uncles ect, just to add to the folder.
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Found a Few of My Harold Family Living in Coventry Warwickshire ..Sadly Carn't see the Trancscipts Yet As I haven'nt got any Money to Buy Credits Yet :(
Well At Least i Know Some of them where Still There
Am Waiting For Lancashire Mostly as I would Love to Find My Grandfather there
Also some more of My Harold Family :)
Happy Christmas Everyone and a Wonderful and Peaceful New Year
Regards
Iria
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I found loads this morning in Sussex and Surrey before I went out, but still not found my great grandfather who should have been either in Middlesex where he was born or in Sussex where he came to at some point. Hmmm shall have to wait till its a lot cheaper before I go searching more extensively for him. :(
Also found one of my great great grandmothers had more children than I knew about, something to do over the Christmas holidays - find the extra children ::)
Kerry
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Wow, Kerry :)
I've just found my Peacocks - last heard of in St Pancras in 1901
They've moved to Sussex and my first cousin twice removed is a widow running an hotel - and I've found lots of other cousins there as well so..................any Peacocks in your area, tell them to get in touch!
Gadget
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I just found my 3G grandparents :)
It says they had 9 children, 5 still alive. I have 8 listed, 5 of whom were still alive (although only found out that one of them died because of the 1911 census) so I assume there must be another who died young. I knew this column looked useful!
Still waiting for Yorkshire (and Derbyshire)!
Andrew
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Wow, Kerry :)
I've just found my Peacocks - last heard of in St Pancras in 1901
They've moved to Sussex and my first cousin twice removed is a widow running an hotel - and I've found lots of other cousins there as well so..................any Peacocks in your area, tell them to get in touch!
Gadget
At last Gadget has links with Sussex ;) ;D
I know that hotel and I am sure I was at school with a Peacock
Kerry
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I'm hoping we'll get East Yorkshire before the test stops. What do you think? Is it very likely? ???
Jill
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personally - i'm so desperate;y waiting for the north of england where my fathers side is from - my mothers people were all in canada by 1911
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I have no experience of testing new sites, and was really grateful to be invited to join (I have only had access since yesterday).
I think where we find errors of Transcriptions for them, the units we used should be credited back to us. :-\
The rellie I was looking for had been mis-transcribed.
I expected to see her with her brother, he shared the same birth place, year and name with six others, so I used my units up until I found him, and there she was.
I know we are saving other people wasting money when the site goes live by doing these corrections, but we are paying the full rate to do this for them.
I am still very grateful for the opportunity, when others haven't been so lucky though.
Ambers
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I'm trying to resist going off on tangents, but it's difficult! So far I've only looked at one record and trying to deduce what information I can from search results, although I'm very tempted to look at a transcription of a 2G aunt's family. Thought I'd look at birth records but I think there are two families with the same surname in the area.
I just found a good way of getting information from the search results. I'm trying to find children born between 1901 and 1911 to said 2G aunt, so I put her name in the box at the bottom where you enter another household member. Now I have a list of people who are living with her, giving me the names of her children without using up credits :) (although oddly, one of them does not have a first name - but given the birth year she's on the 1901 with her name).
Andrew
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Hear Hear Ambers - theres been a few of us voicing that opinion ..... :)
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I already knew my great grandad was a brass polisher, but more information was forthcoming on the form: "Industry or Service with which worker is connected", and he has written, "Bedsteads".
Oh joy! He actually was a Bedstead Knob Polisher !!! That's made my Christmas.
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;D :D ;D that's brilliant, its given me a good laugh, merry xmas
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have just viewed 2 original images which i know to be mine and cost 30 credits each so £6.95 as that was ther package i purchased.
have found my Grandad had two siblings who have died - didn't know that before :'(
am debating on whether to purchase more credits or not , like i said beofre i havent looked for anyone i don't know is there!
i mean i already know these peoples address occupations etc and family members
finding other people might prove costly
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Hear Hear Ambers - theres been a few of us voicing that opinion ..... :)
Yes, and I'm beginning to feel that they are deliberately maximising income by being less than fair with stating the District. Most of my relatives I would expect to find in Bilston if they haven't moved away, but I've gradually realised that there is no Bilston or Tipton, etc. district on this census. It's all listed as Wolverhampton.
The one page that I've looked at says Coseley but comes up on the search as Dudley. If they are going to be as vague as that, I doubt that i will try to download much until it is at least included in some sort of subscription.
[oops: just redid search for a transcribed record and Tipton comes up as Dudley too]
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just found a good way of getting information from the search results. I'm trying to find children born between 1901 and 1911 to said 2G aunt, so I put her name in the box at the bottom where you enter another household member. Now I have a list of people who are living with her, giving me the names of her children without using up credits
ahh good move! thanks for sharing the trick, will save some credits :D
so far I've only downloaded onces I am really certain about but would love to search more.
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I've been using a mixture of similar methods to get more information. The requirement to put a surname in the top search means that you might want to try a few close family names to check for vistors.
Just found my great-grandmother by that method and established that she wasn't living alone she was with a daughters family (so they had a different surname). She must have been feeling sprightly that day as she gave her age as 70 (actually should have been about 77). She was reported as 69 in the previous census! ;D
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I'm just wondering how old 3G Grandmother will be this time::)
She was born in 1856.
1861: Aged 5
1871: Aged 15 (goes downhill from here!)
1881: Aged 23
1891: Aged 30
1901: Aged 40
She died in September 1911 and her burial had her listed about a decade younger than she actually was. At one point she's on the census with her daughter and only about 13 years older! You'd think she'd have noticed that she was getting younger than her husband, whose age only went up by 10 years each decade!
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If they are anything like mine they start reducing their age by about two years on every census. :D
That's why I am finding it difficult to find them in the 1911, quite common names to the area, and so many people of roughly the same age.
Ambers
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What's amazed me is that mine have all been incredibly honest on the 1911 - ages within 1 year of the birthdays that I know of and in the right places (except for the exodus from St Pancras) and named correctly and everything :)
Maybe they wanted me to find them and not waste my credits ;D
Gadget
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What amazes me Gadget as well as simply looking at their signatures is the amount of previously unknown children I've now got to go looking for!
Kerry
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I've just had a look at the 1911 blog. There could be a lot of over-cooked turkeys around on the 25th - my understanding of the message is that this trial will continue over the Christmas period - they are talking about picking up Support messages on 29 December and there will be no support staff on 27 and 28, which implies that the site will continue until at least the 29th!!
BumbleB
Yes, it's true. I got an email from them last night saying "we have extended the beta test period (which was due to end yesterday) for a few days into the Christmas holidays - you should keep an eye on the 1911census.co.uk blog to get updates on exactly when it will finish. However, do not wait too long - the beta site will not be available for much longer. "
Although I suspect that the launch will be in the 2nd week of January ! ;)
Nick.
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I have found the first person I actually KNEW on a census!! How amazing!! My Great Great Aunt Gwen, who I adored when I was a child as she had a house full of old dolls! I have found her with her parents and siblings aged 1!!
I can't find 2 other people on the census though and I'm 90% sure they were in Huntingdonshire in 1911! I'm trying to rack my brains to see what they may have been transcribed as!
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Not sure if this has already been covered, but in answer to my query about subscriptions and wildcard searches, received this email today:
"Currently due to licensing issues and regulation in place we are unable to offer a subscription service. This will change in 2009 and subscriptions will become available through FindMyPast.com, but for the remainder of the beta test at least, we will only be able to offer a pay per view service.
The advanced search functions, such as use of wildcards and searches without surnames, will be tested after the service is publicly released in 2009.
Similarly, only the RG14 images of household schedules will be available to view during beta and initial launch periods; customers will eventually have access to all the related RG78 Enumerators Schedules and relevant summary sheets included within the original image price."
Barbara
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Thanks Barbara
I'm going to leave any more searches until I can use my sub for it, too expensive by far. Not the best way to carry out a beta trial, but then I guess they knew we would be so desperate we would pay any price. ::) ::) :( :(
Kerry
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Similarly, only the RG14 images of household schedules will be available to view during beta and initial launch periods; customers will eventually have access to all the related RG78 Enumerators Schedules and relevant summary sheets included within the original image price."
If that means the enumerator's sheets we are used to seeing in past censuses, then that is marvellous news. It's so useful being able to see the adjacent households. I've solved a lot of mysteries by looking at the neighbours, as there are often other relatives, and sometimes future spouses.
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details of the 'North Side' divide .... and still a long way to go before its finished ..
http://blog.1911census.co.uk/
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Thanks for that Newf.
Anyone know what the piece numbers for 1911 are?
Or even 1901, as it might give a clue.
Andrew
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think they might be listed / sourced in the early posts of this thread
basically you can find out by searching the Nat Archives Catalog for RG14 .....
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The 1911 census is being released in piece number order. The piece numbers correspond to the GRO registration numbers and so on that basis Staffordshire will be about halfway through the release. See link for the order the GRO numbers fall and hence the order in which the counties will be released
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/civreg/GROIndexes.html
Reply number 40 Comosus-ages ago ;D
Carol
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If that means the enumerator's sheets we are used to seeing in past censuses, then that is marvellous news. It's so useful being able to see the adjacent households. I've solved a lot of mysteries by looking at the neighbours, as there are often other relatives, and sometimes future spouses.
There are no enumerators books as in previous censuses. :) However the enumerators summary books do contain a list of the properties included in the enumeration district, the schedule numbers, as well as the address of each household. The surname of the head of the household, the title of the head(Mr. Mrs. Miss, Dr. etc.) and a summary of the number of males and females in each household.
Stan
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Hi all - Help needed please :D
This has been Xmas come early for me as far as Staffordshire is concerned so I'm very grateful to Santa FindMyPast (if you read this, Santa FindMyPast :-*)
Now I've ventured out of Staffs and I'm lost!!
I'm searching for someone in Herefordshire and whatever I search for (even Smith!!), I get no results found. Anybody else? :-\
Also, where on earth do I report it without having to tell them all about my age & location and whether I was expecting to find photographs of my ancestors? :P
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Thought it sounded too good to be true. Still, at least it's something. Thanks, Stan, O wise one!
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Thanks, Newf.
With them saying that they will be working well into 2009 scanning the remaining counties, I think that any hopes that the final version of the whole thing will be launched very early in 2009 are somewhat optimistic!! :'(
Jill
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Hi all - Help needed please :D
Also, where on earth do I report it without having to tell them all about my age & location and whether I was expecting to find photographs of my ancestors? :P
Hi Tati - go to bottom of page "Contact us". (Loved the question about photographs!) I haven't any Herefordshire people so can't help on that.
Happy Christmas! I am now wrapping the meagre presents I managed to acquire in the limited shopping outings I managed between 1911 census sessions :o
Anna
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so I'm very grateful to Santa FindMyPast (if you read this, Santa FindMyPast
:P
they most certainly do :-X
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Tati
Are you sure you've cleared all the boxes-I did the same thing and found that I'd left another name in the 'other person in the household' box' :-[
I'm not used to websites holding on to what you typed in all the boxes hours before ;D
Just a suggestion
Good luck
Carol
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Tati,
Same for me!
No Joneses or Browns in Herefordshire either!! There must be an error somewhere - perhaps they forgot to upload the Herefordshire details!!
Surely someone will have alerted them by now?
Jill
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Thanks Anna and Carol and Jill :D
Logging out and in again, clearing cache and all and I'm still not seeing anyone in Herefordshire either!
Whether I'm the first or the 1,000th to report it, I'm off to hit Contact us!
Merry Christmas all :D
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I had a very fruitful time searching Staffordshire for OHs family, even found out that for the first few weeks of her life, on of his gt aunts was called Phyllis, but by the time the birth was registered, she was Elsie!! News to everyone. his gt grandfather's brother is still missing, but according to gt gt grandfather's return all children are still alive, so he must be somewhere. There are also quite a lot of children who died who we have no record of, so there is quite a lot to keep us going
My family are all in Essex, Scotland or Cumberland so I guess I'll just have to be patient (and Cumberland will be the last English County to be released :()
Merry Christmas all :D - hope the beta doesn't keep you all away from your families and friends for too long
Claire
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I had a very fruitful time searching Staffordshire for OHs family, even found out that for the first few weeks of her life, on of his gt aunts was called Phyllis, but by the time the birth was registered, she was Elsie!! News to everyone. his gt grandfather's brother is still missing, but according to gt gt grandfather's return all children are still alive, so he must be somewhere. There are also quite a lot of children who died who we have no record of, so there is quite a lot to keep us going
One of my great aunts was born on 3rd April 1911. I hope she's on there! (although technically she shouldn't be).
Jill: You never know. They've added a lot to the database in just a few days (dozens of counties). That to me suggests that they've already done the transcribing (at least of many of the counties), and all they've had to do is upload everything.
I hope they haven't done everything in order though, or Yorkshire will be ages, although it might explain why Rutland is already available.
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Hi all - Help needed please :D
I'm searching for someone in Herefordshire and whatever I search for (even Smith!!), I get no results found. Anybody else? :-\
I can't find my Herefordshire family either - I know they were still living there in 1911 :-\
Perhaps they haven't uploaded all districts yet. Same for me in Northamptonshire, district needed is missing :-\
Susan :)
Merry Christmas everyone :D
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"Missing" districts in Staffordshire seem to be because they are using much more generalised areas as districts than on previous returns. E.g. if you put "Bilston" in the "Residential Place" Box, it does appear to limit the search further, but all the people returned are given as District=Wolverhampton.
Unless they improve on this, I think that a lot of money could be wasted trying to distinguish between people who would be differentiated by place on any other census.
[added: I guess that you can distinguish that the people returned as in Dudley, are in fact not in Dudley (examples I have found are actually in Coseley and Tipton) because if they really were in Dudley, they wouldn't be in Staffordshire]
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I think I posted something about this earlier. I had the same problem finding someone in Twickenham.
If you go to:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp
Search for 'Bilston' and put 'RG 14' in the department field.
This shows all the 1911 references for Bilston. You should be able to narrow your search by entering a census reference RD369 SD7 (note that RS has been changed to SD).
Paul
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i have been looking at my tree again toay and actually thre are not that many people to find inthe 1911 census
what i mean by that is great grandmother born in 1900 - i have located her and her siblings and conveintly they were all at home
her husband to be - have located him also at home with his siblings and parents
paternal great grandmother found her in 1911 with all of her children one of whom was my granddad his wife to be
my Nan - Leicester isnot yet released but i know where she was anyway its the other household i would like to see
my maternal grandfather was not in the UK until 1948 so the next census which would help with that lineis the 1951 ! a long wait
there are cousins of great grandparents / grandparents which i could find but the direct line previous (and unlces / aunts etc) had all but died out by 1911
or emigrated
i have been going through my tree today and really there are not that many people to find
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For those who haven't checked the Blog today and were looking for Herefordshire (I remember Tati was ), this is what they are now saying:
Herefordshire data not on site
Contrary to our earlier post, Herefordshire data is not available on the site - apologies for those looking for ancestors there! We hope the other 25 counties are keeping you busy! And happy Boxing Day.
Dated 26th December.
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget - will have to wait 'til it comes online proper.
My wallet will be pleased (and the OH ;D )
Susan :)
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Thanks Gadget - I hadn't seen the update and have been trying ca. 10 times a day! (Stubborn, me? ::))
:D
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I've finally managed to collect a definitive list of locations in the 1911 census along with their census references.
If you would like a lookup (Place to Census reference or reverse) post here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,349657.msg2280064.html#msg2280064
Paul
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Paul, You may fall foul of the 1911's own website by advertising such look ups.
When you log on you have to agree to " not use this beta site except for your personal research and not publish, distribute or otherwise make publicly available search results"
They may withdraw the facility tomorrow anyway. They did originally say it was available till 22nd Dec and kindly extended it over Xmas.
Just so you are aware,wouldn't want any Rootschatter to get into trouble ;)
Carol
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I would hope not Carol. This is data that is available on the TNA. I'd hope I wouldn't be penalised for making things easier for searchers.
I'm not offering 1911 lookups. I am offering census references for locations in the 1911 census that are not covered by the location menus they have.
It works a bit like Hugh Wallace's IGI batch number lookup. A great way of seriously narrowing your searches to target exactly where you want to look.
Paul
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As Paul says these references are available from http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp if you put the name of the place in the Word or phrase box and 1911 in the Year range box and RG14 in the Department or Series code box
Stan
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As Paul says these references are available from http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp if you put the name of the place in the Word or phrase box and 1911 in the Year range box and RG14 in the Department or Series code box
Stan
Thanks Stan,
You must, however, use RG 14, not RG14 in the Department or Series code field. I've also found limiting the date range to 1911 makes no difference.
Paul
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You must, however, use RG 14, not RG14 in the Department or Series code field. I've also found limiting the date range to 1911 makes no difference.
Paul
Not so both RG14 or RG 14 work, and it does say Year range
(optional)
Stan
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You can use the National Archives site for all the other censuses as well, but for 1841 and 1851 which are both HO107 you must specify the year range for each census.
Stan
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According to the 1911 Census blog, tomorrow will be the last day that the beta site will be available and no more counties are going to be added.
Stephen :)
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According to the 1911 Census blog, tomorrow will be the last day that the beta site will be available and no more counties are going to be added.
Stephen :)
Thanks for the info Stephen,
I've been checking, (in vain) for Wales to be added...& so can stop looking now:-(
Romilly.
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::) Thank goodness for that Stephen... ::)
I won't be able to waste any more credits looking for my elusive Gt Grandad Robert Norris.
;D At least to the proper launch ;D ;D
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Ditto to that Lesanne! ::)
I can be patient :D
Kerry
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Hello ,
Is the Beta index site still available . I used it a couple of days ago but can't remember how I accessed it ?
Regards
Alan
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For one more day
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Alan
If you are still stuck trying to remember how to log on try typing beta in your browser address window and you may find that your computer can remember the address.
Good luck
Gobbo
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How clever! I didn't need it but tried to see if it worked and it did, suppose I could try that for other things.
Thanks for a good tip.
Selina
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I have the beta link but I live in Spain and it wont accept my credit cards so I cannot buy credits anyone willing to swap Ancestry for 1911 credits?
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are you using a Spanish or UK credit card? I live in Spain, used a UK credit card with Spanish billing address (a combination that usually causes LOTS of problems) and had no problems buying credits.
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Hi,
I am also in Spain. A couple of years ago even with a UK card I couldn't buy credits because they couldn't/wouldn't accept my Spanish post code. >:(
I then bought a years's membership. :D
When I received my invite I thought there would be the same problem. But no I bought my credits easily and there were no problems. It seems they have sorted out that clitch. It would be nice to think my complaint helped! :)
Happy New Year, ::)
Abiam
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You'd better be quick - the 1911 beta site closes tonight ! :o
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You'd better be quick - the 1911 beta site closes tonight ! :o
......and still no Lancashire or Yorkshire :( :(
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The 1911 blog is reminding us to print or download our transcripts and original pages, as once the beta site has closed we won't have access to them.
I've downloaded the original page I have, but can't see how to download the transcripts, only to export the list. Can anyone help?
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The 1911 blog is reminding us to print or download our transcripts and original pages, as once the beta site has closed we won't have access to them.
I've downloaded the original page I have, but can't see how to download the transcripts, only to export the list. Can anyone help?
The easiest way is to copy and paste them into something like Word or Notepad. Use the View for Print Option (top right) and c & V that or print it using MS Office Document Image Writer (creates a print file rather than a hard copy)
Otherwise you could do a Print Screen (top right of keyboard by the Function keys). This will copy it to your Clipboard and it can then be used to create a graphic file using a graphics program. There is free software available to do this direct.
Think I'd copy and paste into Word :)
gnu
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Good idea, thanks. I'd already printed them off, but it's convenient to have them available on screen as well. The way they phrased it, I thought there must be a download link, similar to the original copy one, and I'd missed it.
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It is the 31st December isn't it?
I've just been into the beta site and it's still working!
gnu
PS - my credits are shown as expiring in 457 days - 2 April 210 - on both the main site and the 1911 site. Previously this was a year ???
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Mine are extended too, unfortunately I only have 2 left ::)
Kerry
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No not working now
Many thanks for participating in the beta test of the 1911census.co.uk website. The beta period has
now ended and the records are no longer available online. The site will launch later in 2009 - register
on the www.1911census.co.uk website to receive updates on the project or post any comments at
blog.1911census.co.uk Happy New Year to you all from everyone here at the 1911 Census team.
Bob
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I wonder how much later in 2009,later is ???
Carol
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I wonder how much later in 2009,later is ???
Carol
December 30th ?
That will please those who have taken out 15% discounted annual subs ! ;D
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Oh thanks Nick- that's really cheered me up ::)
My credits expire on 4th Jan 2010.....just time enough to view all the rellies who lived in Cheshire and Somerset (2 of the counties NOT included in the Beta test)
And there we all were thinking it was going to be early Jan,like the 1901 release was all those years ago.
They are really hedging their bets with that wording aren't they?
Carol
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Unlike some other sites which I can't be bothered to mention, FindMyPast's credits usually roll over, so if you meet your deadline, they don't delete them they roll them over for another time period such as a year.
Kerry ::) ::) ::)
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I don't know about the credits rolling over,if I really do HAVE to wait till the end of 2009 as Nick laughingly suggests,I think I'll roll over ;D
Nick.......that WAS a joke wasn't it?
Carol
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Hi
I don't know whether I am pleased or disappointed that the beta site has gone. In the absence of Durham and NRY I was getting through credits at a high rate chasing down odd relatives who had moved South. The redaction was irritating - one chap was in an institution (an inmate) but it did not give me the name of the institution and a boarding school that interested me seemed to be missing completely. I sent an email to ask where it had gone but am still awaiting a reply.
The search was very quick and usually worked well and I did not come across any transcription errors in the records that I did get. But the incomplete coverage helped to remind me why I subscribe to A*y, with all its faults, rather than FindMyPast.
Happy New Year
Gobbo
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I don't know about the credits rolling over,if I really do HAVE to wait till the end of 2009 as Nick laughingly suggests,I think I'll roll over ;D
Nick.......that WAS a joke wasn't it?
Carol
Yes it was, Carol - I have a very wicked sense of humour ! :)
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And there we all were thinking it was going to be early Jan
I didn't, especially when the test was announced. They'll have some tweaking to do, and hopefully some thinking as well.
Spring would be my bet for the first counties to be fully released.
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Hi
The beta version included Hertfordshire and I was interested in a large boarding school in Bushey, Hertfordshire, but I could not find any records about it. So I sent 1911 census team an enquiry. I have just received this reply:
Your enquiry has now been resolved. Please find the answer to your enquiry below:
We have now reached the end of the beta period for the 1911census.co.uk site.
We apologise for not responding sooner but have been inundated with calls since the beta site opened.
During the beta phase we released the site with a reduced data set in order to facilitate testing. When the site fully launches later this year all census data will be included.
We hope that you enjoy using 1911census.co.uk when it fully launches and if you have any further suggestions or comments please do not hesitate to contact us again.
Please, can anyone explain where in this reply is the resolution of my question?
Puzzled
Gobbo
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Yes very resolved ::) ::)
It looks like its resolved because the beta test has come to an end and you will have to wait till the site launches later this year. :(
Not very helpful really is it?
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
Thank you. That was what I was afraid that it meant. I did not expect to be allowed to repeat my search but I had hoped for some information along the lines "Yes the data are there" or "No, it has been redacted for some reason." It is certainly ungracious just to tell me that the trial is over, which I did know.
All the best
Grumpy Gobbo
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almost at British Gas Customer Service Quality now - I expect they will hone those skills to be absolutely top-league by the time of Launch .... ::)
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Hi Gobbo
I would think this sentence is meant to be their explanation :-\
"During the beta phase we released the site with a reduced data set in order to facilitate testing. When the site fully launches later this year all census data will be included"
Maybe they were too inundated with queries to be more specific ??? :D
Jan ;)
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Chuckling here - I too reported the missing Hertfordshire data and this is the reply I received yesterday - so happy they solved my problem! ;D
Dear xxxx,
Your enquiry has now been resolved. Please find the answer to your enquiry below:
We have now reached the end of the beta period for the 1911census.co.uk site.
The website is no longer available and we will return in 2009 with the launch of the official site.
Thank you for the huge volume of feedback you have given us and for your many comments.
(Errr, I didn't send a huge volume of feedback either - just the one enquiry :P)
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I sent two enquiries,(is that huge ;D) but I haven't had any feedback yet :(
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Hi Jan
They must have had a very large number of queries - my question was assigned number 15118. I expect that Carol's reference numbers will be even higher. If they hold their hands up and say this was a beta trial held largely over the Christmas holiday period and we just could not cope with queries at that time well sort of fair enough. But I hate being told that my question has been resolved when it has not. And I still resent having had to pay the full price in a beta trial. (For those of you feeling really adventurous Microsoft is said to be offering the beta version of the next Windows for free.)
Still a bit grumpy Gobbo
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Hardly the same beta, though is it? 1911 is top-drawer and everyone wants to get at it, Windows isn't!! I was warned off Vista at an early stage, so any new stuff is probably not for me, yet. I don't mind having had to pay for the privilege of finding census information in advance of others!! And at the same price (I hope)!? My only disappointment was that as it is by household, you don't get to see who the neighbours are, but then I'm nosey, having found other relations by looking at the page, rather than the transcription in earlier censuses. Unfortunately we don't have the option on this one. Swings and roundabouts! ::) ::)
BumbleB
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My only disappointment was that as it is by household, you don't get to see who the neighbours are, but then I'm nosey, having found other relations by looking at the page, rather than the transcription in earlier censuses.
Exactly.
Unfortunately we don't have the option on this one. Swings and roundabouts!
The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. (http://bestsmileys.com/clueless/4.gif)
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I'm still very happy about what I've obtained :)
I was one of the lucky ones because, by chance, or the fact that it was done by RDs, they classified the part of Wales that I was interested in as part of Shropshire.
I still think the costings were wrong but to see my Mum and Dad on the census for the first time was the best Christmas present I could have had :)
I do hope those who weren't as lucky as I was will be able to get their rellies up soon.
Gadget
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Rootschat has been contacted by FindMyPast.
The link to the 1911 Census Beta Site that is presently circulating on various message boards and forums has been published in breach of of the website's terms and conditions.
Please do not use this link and do not pass it on.
Administration
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the one I'm looking at isnt a Beta Site !
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That's right - its the official site and Google takes you straight to it!
Sel
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That's right - its the official site and Google takes you straight to it!
Sel
Same here ???
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Maybe they released the official site shortly after the complaint about the illegal link ???
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resources would be better used improving the experience !
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This is fantastic.............I've just found my grandparents in 1911!!!
Looks like it's going to be an expensive evening!!
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Same here. I think I'll buy a lottery ticket tomorrow & keep my fingers crossed ;D
Betty
This is fantastic.............I've just found my grandparents in 1911!!!
Looks like it's going to be an expensive evening!!
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Just to point out that the URL takes you to the Official 1911 Census Website, and not the Beta Test site.
Stan
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Now they've added Lancashire, which wasn't on the Beta Test site .. two Grandad's and one Grandma .. ! :) :)
Plus a couple of children I knew nothing about .. ?
How good is this .. ? :D :D :D
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Rootschat has been contacted by FindMyPast.
The link to the 1911 Census Beta Site that is presently circulating on various message boards and forums has been published in breach of of the website's terms and conditions.
Please do not use this link and do not pass it on.
Administration
The link I published on various mailing lists and forums was not in breach of any terms and conditions.
To breach terms and conditions under English law one has to be made aware of them before use.
I carried out normal legal research using ordinary resources found on the internet, any researcher could have done the same.
There were and even now still are no terms and conditions on that page.
Any complaint you have received is due to the poor programming of the site and nothing else.
Perhaps they are upset that I informed the genealogical community the website would be online on the 13th. ;)
Cheers
Guy
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still no Wales!!! grrrrr. I think they may have forgotten the welsh
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It's seeing my ancestors handwriting that I find amazing!
The census page written by my paternal great grandfather could have been written by my father - the handwriting is identical!!!!!! Is handwriting hereditary? ;) ;)
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They seem to be having a few problems with their help system at the moment. I sent a message about a missing image and get a reply telling me its there and they can see it. So I try to open the image and I still can't so I send another message telling them about the missing image and they send another message telling me its resolved and they can see it and so on and so on. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I guess eventually I will get the blooming image.
Kerry
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Hi
Handwriting hereditary - I think it depends upon the family. If you have a family where the adults want to teach the children writing then there will be a family handwriting style, especially if they write a lot of letters to each other. Other families leave handwriting to the schools to teach and perhaps do not often write to each other. In these circumstances it's unlikely that there will be similarities.
All the best
Gobbo
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still no Wales!!! grrrrr. I think they may have forgotten the welsh
It's because the Welsh counties are towards the end of the GRO codes and the counties are added on in that order. Also, the Welsh counties all had bilingual schedules which means that some translation might be required.
I was lucky that many of my ancestors were in Wales but the Reg District was a Shropshire one so I got them during the Beta and have had sight of the language question - my Mum didn't speak Eng or Welsh . She was too young :D
Gadget
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thanks for the info Gadget. That was very lucky for you. Mine are in Pwllheli and Penygraig. So well in wales lol - Ill have to carry on waiting ;D
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Wohoo!!! Essex is there too! :) :)
I've found my gran! And her dad is retired so I now have a date when he left the police force to the nearest decade.
Now I'm just waiting for Durham.
Paul
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Why is it back online though? its it being launched fully this week. sorry if i have missed something here and being stupid. ;D
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I'm guessing they decided to open it up quietly so they dont get hit too hard with traffic. Get your searches done quick! It may not be stable for long. When the news gets out everyone will be on it.
Paul
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Thanks pals
I've been on and found all the great grandparents. They are all from Kent so have occupations and addresses for all of them. Best occupation to date a son of, employed as a skating rink fitter!!!!! ???
Good luck with your hunting, off to enter info in my tree.
regards panda
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Still lots of mis transcription errors Folkestone spelt Rolkestone
Margaret spelt Margreat to name but a few.
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They have Yorkshire!! (But why oh why do I have to notice it just the day before an exam?!)
It turns out my G aunt is on the census - even though she was technically born the day after. Somehow I think the census would have been the last thing on the mind of GG grandparents!
Andrew
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Nearly forgot Aunty Polly in Altrincham - she's there :D
Now it's just Wales and North Yorks :)
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Now available at http://www.1911census.co.uk/
Stan
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Ive just had an email from the 1911census.co.uk as im guessing most of you have too. Saying its officialy opening tommorow with most counties on.
Although i think what is online now, is what is there on the launch tommorow. Wales wont be on the list. It will be online in the spring apparently
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Ive just had an email from the 1911census.co.uk as im guessing most of you have too. Saying its officialy opening tommorow with most counties on.
Just received the notification too :)
Ambers
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They have Essex which is brilliant.
All I want now is Durham then I am sorted.
Ben
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I see that as they become available we'll also be able to see the RG78 images in addition to the householder schedule ( at no additional charge).
"(30 units) For this price you will also be able to view all the associated images for the family: this includes both sides of the household form ( RG 14); the page from the enumerator’s book,which lists the head of household for all the neighbouring buildings; summary statistical pages for the registation district and details of the enumerator’s walk (RG 78). For most searches this means that you will get at between two and seven images for your 30 credits."
That'll be useful ;D
Pauline
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I have found my GGG Grandmother on the census and she is listed as in an Institution (preumably workhouse), rather than a Household.
As the images are really expensive, I don't want to view it if I don't need to. As she will be on her own, the only reason I would need to view it is to look at how many children she had. As far as I know she only had 1 - which seemed a bit unusual for those times. I was wondering if some had died.
Does anyone know if the Institution forms would show this information?
Andrew
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Hi Andrew
I don't think it will unless she's with her husband. The question asked is 'How many children of this marriage - alive/dead'. See Tati's message very early on.
Gadget
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Hi Andrew
I don't think it will unless she's with her husband. The question asked is 'How many children of this marriage - alive/dead'. See Tati's message very early on.
Gadget
I thought married women had to answer this question whether hubby was enumerated with them or not. "State, for each Married Woman enumerated on this Schedule, the number of... Children born alive to present Marriage [etc.]"
So far as I know the institution schedules asked the same questions.
Anna
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well I won't be able to join in the fun till Durham and Wales are on there... :(
happy hunting :D
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just had an email to say 1911 census released tomorrow
Counties available at launch:
Bedfordshire
Berkshire
Buckinghamshire
Cambridgeshire
Cheshire
Cornwall
Derbyshire
Devonshire
Dorsetshire
Essex
Gloucestershire
Hampshire
Herefordshire
Hertfordshire
Huntingdonshire
Kent
Lancashire
Leicestershire
Lincolnshire
London
Middlesex
Norfolk
Northamptonshire
Nottinghamshire
Oxfordshire
Rutlandshire
Shropshire
Somersetshire
Staffordshire
Suffolk
Surrey
Sussex
Warwickshire
Wiltshire
Worcestershire
Yorkshire West Riding
Counties not available for launch but coming soon:
England:
Durham
Cumberland
Northumberland
Westmorland
Yorkshire Ð East Riding and North Riding
Wales:
Anglesey
Brecknockshire
Carnarvonshire
Cardiganshire
Carmarthenshire
Denbighshire
Flintshire
Glamorgan
Merionethshire
Montgomeryshire
Monmouthshire
Pembrokeshire
Radnorshire
Other:
Isle of Man
Channel Islands
Royal Navy
Overseas Military Establishment
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I have found my GGG Grandmother on the census and she is listed as in an Institution (preumably workhouse), rather than a Household.
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Andrew
I wonder how many people were in the institution. You may have to pay for a lot of pages. In earlier censuses institutions were listed in alphabetical order.
Paul
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Hi Andrew
I don't think it will unless she's with her husband. The question asked is 'How many children of this marriage - alive/dead'. See Tati's message very early on.
Gadget
I thought married women had to answer this question whether hubby was enumerated with them or not. "State, for each Married Woman enumerated on this Schedule, the number of... Children born alive to present Marriage [etc.]"
So far as I know the institution schedules asked the same questions.
Anna
Not so - I've got two who are not with husbands (staying with relatives) and no fertility info given. it's 'of the present marriage' and has been interpreted differently.
Gadget
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Hi
I have found a few ancestors who say that some of their children died. New leads to trace.
By 1911 an Essex couple had been married for 45 years according to the census which tallies with their 1866 marriage.
Ben
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Not so - I've got two who are not with husbands and no fertility info given. it's 'of the present marriage' and has been interpreted differently.
Gadget
I think you're right, Gadget - largely down to interpetation; I've found two widowed great aunts, both of whom have entered their children, alive and died.
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Not so - I've got two who are not with husbands and no fertility info given. it's 'of the present marriage' and has been interpreted differently.
Gadget
What a pity! Fortunately my g-grandmother, whose husband was away at sea as a naval officer, filled it all in (it was still her "present marriage" after all...).
For that matter one of my 3x g-grandmothers, long-widowed, ignored the instructions and filled the fertility info in, helpfully specified that all her nine children had been sons, and inserted her own date of birth in addition to her birthplace for good measure. Thanks, Harriet ;)
Anna
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GG Grandmother has her number of children listed. Her husband died the year before the census. However I expect that the chap in charge of the institution was unlikely to have asked each woman there how many children she'd had.
Andrew
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Shh don't tell anyone but it's up and running!! ;D jo
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And I am so disappointed, found my Grandad after 10 years of looking only to find that he is in an institution in Bucklow Cheshire, that's ok it confirmed a family rumour, but there is no indication WHICH **** institution, so does anyone know of any institutions in bucklow where an 11 year old and his sister age 8 would be accommodated. I really cannot afford to search all 19 pages of originals looking for an address, he is on page 16.
Sorry whinge over.... :-[
Happy hunting and if anyone has any ideas???
Cheers Jo
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Hi Jo
Is this a poss:
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Altrincham/Altrincham.shtml
It changed to Bucklow in 1890 :-\
Gadget
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Hi Gadget
Thanks for a quick reply :D and yes it does look likely, doesn't it? Cheshire RO have an admissions list and inmates list so I shall see if they can confirm it.
Thanks again
Jo ::)
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Still no luck finding my grandfather and his parents, couldnt find them on the 1901 either. Will they let us search by first name only eventually? If anyone wants to try some variations, here are the details. I have had success with a lot of others so I am pleased
Arthur Edward ESPLEY b 1877 Chell, Staffordshire
Emma Esther nee Bowker b 1875 in Gorton, Lancashire
Arthur Edward b 1899 in Gorton Lancashire
James Henry (my grandad) b 1900 Lichfield Staffordshire
William Ernest b 1901 Gorton Lancashire
I found Arthurs mother Ellen H Espley living in Staffordshire same place as she was in 1901
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And I am so disappointed, found my Grandad after 10 years of looking only to find that he is in an institution in Bucklow Cheshire, that's ok it confirmed a family rumour, but there is no indication WHICH **** institution, so does anyone know of any institutions in bucklow where an 11 year old and his sister age 8 would be accommodated. I really cannot afford to search all 19 pages of originals looking for an address, he is on page 16.
Sorry whinge over.... :-[
Happy hunting and if anyone has any ideas???
Cheers Jo
Jo,
I had a similar problem and solved it by viewing the transcription as well as the original image. The transcription gave the address as well (turned out to bie Royal Naval College Osborne IOW). I know it's extra money :( but if you really want to know then the information is there.
Claire
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Pauline, exactly how do you get to see the additional pages?
Kooky
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Pauline, exactly how do you get to see the additional pages?
Kooky
See the "Help and Advice" page at www.1911census.co.uk:
"Please note: at launch only the main RG14 image will be available, but once you have bought the image of the RG14 household original page your search will be saved in ‘my records’ and you will be able to able to view the associated RG78 images without any further payment as soon as these are available on site. Make sure you are signed up to receive our newsletter or keep an eye on our blog at http://blog.1911census.co.uk so you know when the extra images become available."
Anna
Moderator comment: Beta site closed. Official site launched today. New thread here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,352985.0.html