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Hello. My ancestor was William Bax, a wheelwright in Newick, 1795-1860.
We know about his life and descendants, and are now trying to track down his relatives/ancestors in the Newick, Chailey, Lewes area.
We have evidence of a Richard Bax marrying at Lewes St Ann in 21 JUN 1808 and of a Richard and William owning land in Barcombe parish nearby (Town Littleworth) at the same time.
We also have evidence of a John Bax born very near, at Chailey.
Does anyone have any information on any BAX births, marriages and deaths in Parish records or anywhere else in the Lewes, Newick, Chailey area, with these names or any others? Any before 1800 are especially handy.
Many thanks for all your great work.
Stephen Bax
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Hi Stephen
Checked out the Sussex Marriage Index and could only find one marriage in Newick as below, one in Lewes that you mention and none in Chailey prior to 1837.
They seem to be prior to 1800 further west in Sussex there is a Richard Bax marrying 8 April 1792 in cuckfield to Mary Wells.
16 October 1817
William Bax bach
Sophia Hobbs spinster
married at newick both of this parish
witnesses - Edward Hobbs and Eliz Hall
Kerry
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There is a John Bax marrying at Brighton, to Elizabeth Thorp on 28 July 1821, he was a bachelor and she was a spinster, both of this parish.
Kerry
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Some Bax burials from Newick on Findmypast burial index
Richard Bax
3 July 1782
Newick
Charles Bax
7 May 1869
28 years old
Newick
Ruth Bax
4 May 1845
50 years old
Newick
Sophia Bax
22 July 1829
31 years old
Newick
Kerry
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Thanks for your speedy and interesting replies.
This one is new to me - is there any way of getting more detail on it online?
Richard Bax
3 July 1782
Newick
Also this one is new to me, and very interesting as we have evidence of links with Cuckfield and Slaugham:
Richard Bax marrying 8 April 1792 in cuckfield to Mary Wells.
I would not be surprised if they are linked. Is there any way of getting more detail?
Our hope is that we can find a link back to the large Quaker Bax family which was just across the border in Capel, Surrey.
Many thanks, - by the way - any information about any early Baxes in Sussex and Surrey, no matter how remote it seems, is very welcome!
Stephen Bax
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Unofrtunately in both cases that is all the information available on my sources, but there may be other information available on primary sources ie parish registers, although maybe not for the burial record. Often that will be the only information.
In the case of Newick that's East Sussex Record Office and Cuckfield comes under West Sussex Record Office.
Kerry
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Just had a thought
A website which has Newick on it so you might find helpful is www.thesussexweald.org
Kerry
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Hi Stephen
Found this single entry in my Burial database for St John Sub Castro in Lewes
1817 August 10, Bax Mary, f, aged 61, Of this Parish
Hope you can fit it in somewhere
Chris in 1066
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Hi again
Found just a single baptism for the same church
1817 Sep 28, Bax William, male, son of Richard & Mary, of this parish - ? Keeper
Chris in 1066
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Many thanks Chris, Kerry - very useful indeed, as it all fills in some crucial parts of the jigsaw!.
I am a bit confused by the geography of Lews. I now have references to
Lewes St John (where someone is supposed to have lived)
Lewes St John sub castro (burial)
Lewes St Ann (marriage)
Were these all in the same parish? i.e. will I need to look them up in one set of registers or in several?
Also, does anyone have the Newick parish registers with any references to BAX anywhere? I know of the marriages, but I can't track down some births.
Thanks
Stephen Bax
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Stephen, you mention Quaker connections. Here are 2 marriages from the SMI that might help,
Capel Quaker, Surrey, 14 May 1669:
Ann BAX, Capel SRY dau of Richard BAXS otsp
Thomas PARSONS, the younger Slaugham WSX
28 witnesses incl PARSONS Thomas, Timothy Richard BAX Richard Thos, Henry, Thos,
Thakeham Quaker, West Sussex, Date: 1 Jun 1714:
Edward BAX, son of Edwd B. yeo Ockley SRY
Margaret HAYLOR, dau of Benjamin H. yeo Billingshurst
43 witnesses incl BAX Edward senr Thomas, Nathan. Rebecca, Richard, Phillip, Dan
jane
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Many thanks Chris, Kerry - very useful indeed, as it all fills in some crucial parts of the jigsaw!.
I am a bit confused by the geography of Lews. I now have references to
Lewes St John (where someone is supposed to have lived)
Lewes St John sub castro (burial)
Lewes St Ann (marriage)
Were these all in the same parish? i.e. will I need to look them up in one set of registers or in several?
Also, does anyone have the Newick parish registers with any references to BAX anywhere? I know of the marriages, but I can't track down some births.
Thanks
Stephen Bax
Hi Stephen
Hope you got the email I sent this morning ;)
I presume and I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but they are different churches in Lewes which is one parish. I tried to find it on Genuki but am not having too much luck.
Kerry
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If you find Lewes in the left hand side bar on this site you can find photos of all the Lewes churches, sub castro is a bit grand, almost worth a visit next time I am in Lewes I think.
http://www.roughwood.net/ChurchAlbum/ChurchFrames.htm
Kerry
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Hi
Chris in 1066 is our resident expert on Lewes so he may blow holes in my theory but there were at least 6 different churches in Lewes at one time and all will have had their own registers. All Saints, St Anne, St John sub Castro, St Michael, St Thomas a Becket at Cliffe and Southover St John Baptist. Not to mention those in places so close as to be almost part of the town. Some are no longer used as churches. All registers will now be held at the Record Office but Chris has lots of transcripts of various bits.
Andrea
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Hi Stephen
Sillgen was correct in her listing of the Lewes Churches except St Annes is often referred to as St Annes Without - i.e. outside the castle walls; although the only redundunt church at the moment is All Saints.
Kerryb thought St John Sub Castro looked rather grand, but it is the plainest church in Lewes as it was the working mans church and as such has no embelishments - but I supppose there is beauty in plainess
I have looked through my data files for Lewes for the surname Bax, but could only find those two entries except the following:
Alfred Ridley Bax, F.S.A Barrister & Historian
FSA - Fellow of the Society of Archaeologists who did a lot of memorial transcription work in the 1890's
I think if you google 'Bax' you would get lots of entries in his name
Hope the above helps
Chris in 1066
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Well they do say beauty is in the eye of the beholder Chris and I certainly think its grand.
Its not that unusual to see flint churches round here but I don't think there are that may with those turrets or are they castellations on the top. In fact it puts me in mind of Lewes Prison.
Kerry
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Hi
I have attached a map of Lewes for 1835 which shows all the churches in their own parishes
Hope it is of some use to you
Chris in 1066
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Thanks to everyone for your help.
I guess I need also to look at the non-conformist churches... the Jireh Chaple intrigues me as apparently my ancestor William had 'Huntingdonian' tendencies and I see that many of the Jireh Chapel records (Huntington was buried there) are now in the Record Office. Must visit when I can.
Another source we have mentions the Unitarians, but I do not know where any local Unitarian churches were. Any ideas?
Does anyone have good copies or transcripts of non-conformist records in the Newick/Chailey/Wivelsfield area?
Thanks Chris - We have come across Alfred Ridley Bax (the father of Arnold Bax the composer) and seen some of his work, but nothing in the Newick area so far.
Stephen
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Which is the church on the corner of Irelands Lane?
why can't i view your map? :)
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Just before I close this thread I thought I'd mention a great book I found for free on Google Books called:
The History and Antiquities of Lewes and Its Vicinity
which has a wonderful chapter on the non-conformist churches in Lewes in the early 1800s... really good.
Go to Google Books at:
http://books.google.com/
and search for that title, then you can download it for free.
Thanks
Stephen Bax
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Thanks for the tip Stephen and have a lovely Christmas :)
Kerry
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Hello Stephen,
I found the baptism record on the internet, for William BAX at the General Baptist Church in Horsham in 1795.
On the same IGI Batch there are some of William's siblings:
Mary bap. 1802, Martha in 1799, Thomas in 1808, and Sarah in 1806.......all children of William and Martha.
There is also Hannah Bax, daughter of John and Susanna who was baptised at the same church in 1793, and
Joseph Bax bap. in 1784.....son of Joseph and Sarah Bax.
I then found the marriage of a Mary Bax to James DUNTON on Dec. 02, 1826 at Southwick, West Sussex.......which I believe would be the Southwick which is just east of Brighton and west of Shoreham-by-Sea.
This couple appears on the 1851 census at Brighton, and it says that Mary was born in Itchingfield...........I think it possible
that Mrs. Dunton is your William's sister since the 1851 census also says she was born "about 1803" making her a match for the one baptised in Horsham in 1802.
Slougham is only about 6 miles from Horsham, and it occurs to me that perhaps William was actually born at Slougham, but
baptised in the Horsham General Baptist Church.
I tried to find some of the other siblings on the 1851 census without success so far.
There is no record on the IGI at the LDS Family Search site, for another William Bax born in Sussex in 1795.
On April 30, 1821 a Sarah Bax married John AYLWARD at Itchingfield.
Oct. 3, 1810 Hanna Bax married Henry EDWARDS at Warnham, West Sussex (just outside Horsham).
I found Hanna and Henry living in Horsham in 1851, and the record states that Hannah was born in Horsham.
William's sister Sarah was baptised in 1806. I found Mrs. Sarah AYLWARD on the 1851 census and it says she was born a "about 1807" at Itchingfield, the same as Mary mentioned above..............the age of this Sarah also makes her a match for William's sister.
On Feb. 11, 1824, Martha BAX married Alexander McISAAC at Itchingfield............no luck finding them on the 1851 census.
Thomas "BOX" is the only close match on the 1851 census and he was born at Ardingly (about 6 miles due west of Slaugham) about 1809,
and living in Brighton with a wife named Mary in 1851........I don't have a marriage for Thomas yet.
Again, this could be a match for William's brother Thomas who was baptised in 1808 at Horsham.
I found a Thomas BAX on the 1871 census, also born at Ardingly, "about 1808" this time, and living in Lambeth, London without his wife Mary.
Now for your query regarding BAX CASTLE which I found in another location.
Did you see that Susan BAX (age 81) was living in the area on the 1841 census ? She would be Susan JUPP who married John
Bax Nov. 27, 1787 at Itchingfield.
There is a Susannah Juppe on the IGI, christened 23 Aug. 1761 at Nuthurst which is about 4 miles (as the crow flies) southeast of Itchingfield.
On the 1841 Census image I see that Susan BAX is living in "Two Mile Ash Green".
There are two other households in Two Mile Ash Green, one at "Post Land" and then, on the same census page
is a household at Lawsons Farm, a household at Dog Barking House, and next to that is Little Stammerham Farm.
Little Stammerham Farm can be found on the internet, with a map as to it's exact location. It is just under 1/2 mile
from BAX CASTLE, on the same side of the road.
Therefore, it is quite possible that Susan Bax was living in what is now known as the Bax Castle in 1841.
I hope you find this information helpful. Your query was interesting to me, since one of the new owners of
Bax Castle is a cousin.
Cheers,
Foxglove (Carol)
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Stephen,
I just looked at the 1841 census again, and right next door to Susan Bax or possibly in the same dwelling, is her daughter Hannah with husband Henry EDWARDS as mentioned above.....with children William, Edward, Walter and Alfred.
Have you tried contacting the Horsham Library to see if there is any helpful information in the Local Tithe Awards which
would be dated from the 1830's to 1840's ?
Regards,
Foxglove
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Carol
Thank you so much for all of this. I will go through it all with great interest - almost everything you say ties up with what I have already but it also offers great new leads and ideas - most grateful.
(BTW Martha and her husband Alexander McIsaac moved to Gravesend in Kent, and she appears as a ginger beer dealer, widowed, in the 1851 census)
Yes, we are now sure that John and Susan/Susannah lived at the building which is now called the Bax Castle pub. He was a weaver.
Interesting that your cousin is one of the owners! I visited the pub in January and it is a great cosy place, highly recommended...
I promised to write down all I know about John and I still intend to do so, but we keep finding new stuff!
many thanks again
Stephen