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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: mjmcara on Sunday 14 December 08 15:35 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I have traced back to William McAra 1871 census born abt. 1830 Scotland, Married to Ann born abt. 1829 Scotland. They have a family of five children and possibly a sixth William that died 1856.
The children on the census are:
Annie born abt. 1857 Plumstead Kent
Margaret born abt. 1861 Plumstead Kent
Robert B. (Balgarnie) born abt.1863 Plumstead Kent
John born abt. 1867 Plumstead Kent
Alexander born abt. 1870 Plumstead Kent
I believe I found the marriage 1855 Lewisham and children’s birth registered Lewisham. Robert Balgarnie would be my GGfather.
If anyone knows of, or comes across the family I would certainly appreciate a message.
Mike
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Hi Mike
There appears to be at least one more child, Thomas William - birth Mar Qtr 1859.
It would make sense, especially with Scottish parents, to name the next son born after little William died 1856, the same name - in this case as middle name.
FreeBMD, for ref:
MARRIAGE of parents: Sep Qtr 1855 - William McARA and Ann BROWNLEE
BIRTH William - Dec Qtr 1855
DEATH William - Dec Qtr 1856
BIRTH Ann - Mar Qtr 1857
BIRTH Thomas William - Mar Qtr 1859
BIRTH Margaret - Mar Qtr 1861 (so is possibly no more than 5 or 6 mths old at very most in Census 1861 )
Census 1861: 16 Upper Burrage Place, Plumstead, Kent
RG9 / Piece: 408 / Folio: 65 / Page: 40
Head: William CAREY 30, Blacksmith, b Scotland
Wife: Ann CAREY 33, b Scotland
Dau: Ann CAREY 4, Scholar, b Plumstead
Son: Thomas CAREY 2, b Plumstead
Dau: Margaret CAREY 4 mths, b Plumstead
Sad to see, then that little Thomas William also appears to have died, at about age 5.
DEATH: Sep Qtr 1864 - Thomas William McARA - Lewisham
Was hoping the 1861 might have had a more specific POB for the parents :'(. William died 1879, is that right?
But the occupation Blacksmith could be important, as it may have been passed down father to son.
It would be interesting to know what brought him down to that part of Kent (near Woolwich); I'm wondering, if there may be an Army connection - especially with he being a Smith . The marriage Cert may be the best next step to advancement.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thank you for the information received, this is greatly appreciated.
I have tried to update according to the messages
William McAra born1830 Scotland, married 1855 Plumstead, died 1879 Plumstead.
Married
Ann Brownlee born 1827 Scotland, married 1855 Plumstead, died 1886 Plumstead.
They had a family of nine children
1. William born 1855 Plumstead died 1856 Plumstead
2. Ann born 1857 Plumstead married Frederick Moore 1876 Plumstead, died 1886?
3. Thomas William born 1859 Plumstead, died 1864 Plumstead
4. Margaret born 1861 Plumstead, married Thomas Brown 1879
5. Robert Balgarnie born 1863 Plumstead, married Katherine Lewins 1884 Plumstead, died 1921 Plumstead
6. James born 1865 Plumstead, married Cecelia Taylor 1889 Plumstead
7. John born 1867 Plumstead, married Jane Elizabeth Jacobs 1885 Dartford, Kent
8. Alexander born 1869 Plumstead, married Rose Elizabeth Deane 1893 Plumstead, died 1915 Plumstead
9. Elizabeth Jane born 1872 Plumstead, married Emmanuel Legge 1894 Plumstead
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I received the marriage certificate for William McAra and Ann Brownlee.
Williams’s occupation was Artificer and his father’s name was John McAra also Artificer.
Ann Brownlee, her fathers name was David occupation Manager Cotton Factory. Her place of residence at time of marriage, Tradestone Glasgow North Britain.
I cant find a birth for William. I have a 1851 census the name is McAree, on the census it looks like McAra. he is a private in the 33 regiment born Sterling Scotland.
Any help would be appreciated
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Hi Mike
That's great news for the marriage certificate - and it certainly all appears to tie in nicely!
A little later, but I believe either description holds well for your William....
http://www.census1891.com/occupations-a.htm
Artificer - A soldier mechanic who does repairs
Artificer - Skilled or artistic worker or craftsman
Could you please tell me a couple of things:
Where is he in 1851 - the reference for the Census?
On the marriage cert:
How old are Anne & William stated to be
Is either father stated to be deceased?
Who were the witness'
What was William's address?
And lastly, do you want a look for Ann's father too, or have you already got her sorted out?
Cheers ;D
AMBLY
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Many thanks Ambly,
I tried attaching certificates to this message. but no, can do! keep getting an error message.
1851 census there is a bar at the side says reference Public record office H.O. 107 2405
the marriage certificate says they are both 25, neither father is declared dead, witness are James McPherson and Carolina King and williams address is Plumstead
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I am researching Ann Brownlee as well but i have found nothing yet
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Thanks Mike
Have just replied to your PM too - I'm a bit behind in catching up :P as I had to nip out, so I didn't first see you've posted on-topic re: the info off the marriage cert.
This is from the IGI (extracted records) - might be a contender for your William's father?
1810: John McARA chr 16 Apr 1810 St Ninians to parents: Alexander McARA and Jean McEWAN
1831: John McARA married Mary MAXWELL 27 Apr St Ninians
Can't find any children for John & Mary....
An Alexander McARA and Jean McEWAN also had the following all christened in Crieff, Perth
James 1815
Peter 1818
Alexander 1821
Daniel 1825
Jean 1827
Cheers
AMBLY
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Marriage certificate Photo
Moderator comment: image removed - only small portions of certificates may be posted for clarification or deciphering of handwriting.
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FGS
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I took his age from the marriage certificate age 25 in 1855,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/dna/mbhistory/F2233810/ext/_auto/-/http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Template/Genealogy/MarriageWilliamMcAraAnnBrownlee.jpg
his death was registered in 1879 age 49,(I dont have the certificate) 1861 census Plumstead he is listed as William Carey blacksmith age 31 born Scotland and 1871 census William McAra smith age 41 born Scotland
In 1851 census there is a William McAra indexed McAree aged 21 soldier private 33 Regiment born Sterling Scotland
In another 1851 census there is a William McAra age 21 hammerman(Iron) born Medlothian ______ looks like Croamond. I think this second 1851 census could be William if a Hammerman is a smith?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
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Hi,
My Macara ancestors came from Monzie in Perthshire. No William !
Good luck with your research.
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In another 1851 census there is a William McAra age 21 hammerman(Iron) born Medlothian ______ looks like Croamond. I think this second 1851 census could be William if a Hammerman is a smith?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
That is likely to be Cramond in Midlothian (west of Edinburgh). Was that the entry where he is a visitor in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire?
There are McAras/Macaras there in that time period going by the parish records, although no obvious christening record for your William. One of the McAra families kept the Inn at Cramond.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyMidlothian.htm#PageTitle
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I have located an 1851 census for William McAra mistranscribed as McAree, soldier age 21, 33 Regiment, born Stirling Scotland. As an Artificer he could be a soldier and would explain why he moved to Plumstead, location of the Royal Arsenal.
I have found a marriage for a John McAra and Mary Maxwell 27/04/1831 Parish Stirling County Stirling
No Date Surname Forename Spouse Name/Frame No Sex Parish City/County GROS Data
19 27/04/1831 MCARA JOHN MARY MAXWELL/FR1618 M Stirling /STIRLING 490/ 0070 0073
Also found a birth for a John McAra but it looks like the family moved Crieff and had several other children
No Date Surname Forename Parent Names/Frame No. Sex Parish City/County GROS Data
23 16/04/1810 MCARA JOHN ALEXANDER MCARA/JEAN MCEWAN FR1500 U St Ninians /STIRLING 488/ 0040 0201
Any help or ideas would be appreciated, I have tried to find military records but no luck.