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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Hunnyb22 on Sunday 14 December 08 02:34 GMT (UK)
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Hi ;D...I've discovered that my maternal great grandmother Rose Ann Melford/Milford (1838-c1901) was a resident in a Sheffield workhouse in 1861-1862 and would like more information or lists of the residents. Does anyone know how I would find this?
Also, I can't find any details of her after the 1891 Census. (Rose Ann married George Handley in 1862) can anyone look this up please? :-*
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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1861 census theres a Rose A Milford born about 1839 Ireland - Inmate - Sheffield Union Workhouse
RG9 piece 3486 Folio 123 page 29
Regards Carolanne
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Hi Hunnyb22
Have you looked on the workhouse website:
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Sheffield/Sheffield.shtml
Barbara :)
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Hi Barbara and Carolanne...Thanks for your help and the links. I'll certainly look on the workhouse website.
By 1862, both George and Rose Ann were married and living in a tenement not far from Rose Ann's mother (Hannah Melford 1816-1883). For what reason would they have been able to leave the workhouse? I know it wasn't a prison but to get out they would surely have had to have been self sufficient?
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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The workhouse website is a mine of information about the whole system. There are links at the left for subjects like Workhouse Life, Entering and Leaving, etc, worth having a good read through it.
Barbara :)
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Hi Barbara ;D...Yes, I looked at the website last night and it's full of information, they even have a list of inmates. I discovered that Rose Ann was in the Fir Vale workhouse (not on list but by deduction) so I assume that George was there too. :-\
How would I find them on the 1861 Census? I've looked through the Ancestor website but it only gives detailed information on the 1881 Census.
Thanks once again for your help.
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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I found her by just putting her name age and Sheffield
RG9 piece 3486 Folio 123 page 29
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If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry you won't be able to view the full details, only 1881 is free to view.
Carolanne already gave you all the information for the 1861 census - that's all the image shows
1861 census theres a Rose A Milford born about 1839 Ireland - Inmate - Sheffield Union Workhouse
RG9 piece 3486 Folio 123 page 29
Barbara :)
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Hi Barbara...Yes, I realise that but as I'm on a low income I can't afford to subscribe to Ancestry. I've gleaned a lot of information from FreeBMD, such as George's marriage and death records and those of Thomas (1814-1878) and Hannah Melford (1816-1883) they're a mine of information too. There's also FreeCen.
Thanks once again for your help.
Kind regards
Hunnyb
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as I'm on a low income I can't afford to subscribe to Ancestry
Hi Hunnyb
If you try your local library you should find you can access the full GRO bmd index and websites like ancestry free through them.
I've had a look for Rose in 1901 and wonder if this might be her?
RG13/4370 Folio 97 Page 2215
Stepney St, Sheffield
Joseph Booth head m 53 Steel Melter Sheffield
Alice " wife m 50 "
Rose Handeller s.in.law w 66 Ireland
Barbara
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as I'm on a low income I can't afford to subscribe to Ancestry
Hi Hunnyb
If you try your local library you should find you can access the full GRO bmd index and websites like ancestry free through them.
I've had a look for Rose in 1901 and wonder if this might be her?
RG13/4370 Folio 97 Page 2215
Stepney St, Sheffield
Joseph Booth head m 53 Steel Melter Sheffield
Alice " wife m 50 "
Rose Handeller s.in.law w 66 Ireland
Barbara
Hi Barbara...Yes, I'll have a look in the library when I'm next in town.
This would make Alice, Rose Ann's sister? The information below is what I've gleaned from various websites:
Thomas Melford born in Ireland (1814-1878)
Hannah Melford born in Ireland (1816-1883)
Rose Ann Melford born in Co. Mayo, Ireland (1838-c1901)
Apart from Rose Ann and her parents I don't know much about the Melford family. I don't even know Rose Ann's exact death date nor Hannah's maiden name, but I do know that George died in 1888.
Thanks for your help.
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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George's marriage and death records and those of Thomas (1814-1878) and Hannah Melford (1816-1883)
I can't see an entry for Hannah in 1883 in the death index. There is, however, this burial:
Milford, Hannah (Widow, age 67).
Died at The Home, Duchess Rd; Buried on May 14, 1892 in Roman Catholic ground;
Grave Number 3042, Section GG of City Road Cemetery, Sheffield.
'The Home' is the Home of the Little Sisters of the Poor. There are 5 others buried in this grave, all different surnames though one other also died in 'The Home'. You can find their names at http://sheffieldindexers.com/ (a free site with no registration necessary). Their burial database also includes this entry:
MILFORN, THOMAS (buried St Patrick's section, age 64yr).
Died at NEW ST, PARK; Buried on December 1, 1878 in Roman Catholic ground;
Grave Number 30, Section BA of St Michaels RC Cemetery, Rivelin.
...which I think is Thomas MELFORD/MILFORD. This looks like a public grave.
No luck discovering what happened to Rose Ann though.
Hugh
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Hi Hugh...Thanks very much for your help..
Yes, it does look as though these are the Melford family, especially Thomas as the date and age tie in. I can't understand why, if they were man and wife, they should be buried separately?
Rose Ann's disappearance from the records seems a puzzle. My gran (Rose Handley 1875-1956))was born and married James Knott (1873-1952) i
n Sheffield but moved to Hull, along with her sister Sarah (Sally) so maybe Rose Ann moved with them?
I wonder if there are any descendants of the Melford/Handley families? The family names are as follows:
Melford/Handley/Knott/Martin (Martin being my maiden name).
If there's anyone out there connected with these families please get in touch.
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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I've had a look for Rose in 1901 and wonder if this might be her?
RG13/4370 Folio 97 Page 2215
Stepney St, Sheffield
Joseph Booth head m 53 Steel Melter Sheffield
Alice " wife m 50 "
Rose Handeller s.in.law w 66 Ireland
This would make Alice, Rose Ann's sister?
No, I'm not convinced about this, I found that Joseph Booth married Alice Baxter, who didn't seem to have been married before, and if this Rose was Alice's sister she wasn't with Alice and parents in any census that I can see. So I'm struggling to find out just how she was related to the Booths
:-\ :-\
Barbara
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Hi...This could be a shot in the dark but Rose Ann had a daughter (Mary Ann 1858-?)before she married George but she used her maiden name for the girl. What if Rose Ann had married the father and he died, therefore making Alice, Rose Ann's sister in-law?
I know this beggers the question, why not use her married name? Other than this, I can't think of any other reason why my Rose Ann would be related to Alice.
If Mary Ann was illegitimate that would be the reason they were in the workhouse. The Melford family were devout Catholics (as was my gran) and would not have allowed her to live at home, unlike our more liberal families, she would have brought shame on the family.
Thanks for your help.
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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Do you have Rose Ann & George's marriage certificate, which should say if she was previously married?
Barbara
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Hi Barbara ;D...No, I don't have their marriage certificate yet but hope to get it after the Christmas holidays. My guess is that George was her first and only husband as you suggested and that the Rose Ann you found was someone else.
My gran (Rose Handley) married James Knott in Sheffield in 1894 but came to Hull to settle down, so did her sister Sarah (1880-c1970). Maybe her mother came too, that's why we haven't been able to find her on the Sheffield BMD and census records?
George died in 1888 and her family will have grown up so there were no ties to Sheffield. There has to be some records for her somewhere, maybe she went back to Ireland?
Maybe I'm grasping at straws here but on the 1901 Census there's a John Melford/Milford (it gives both surnames)age 60 living in Co. Mayo (where Rose Ann was born) with wife Ellen age 50 and daughter (forget name) age 20, maybe this was her brother? I found this information on a Co. Mayo website.
After searching for the last four years it would be great to finally piece this jig-saw together. :-[
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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I think the marriage cert would be a good thing to have, that should clear up some of the queries. Will have another look for her in 1901
Still wondering how the other Rose was related to the Booths though :)
Barbara
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Hi Chris
I'm also researching the Melford Clan. My grandfather was James (Jim)Knott
and my grandmother was Ethel Paddison from Hull.
Regards Mick Knott
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Hi Mick...Your grandparents James Arthur Knott and Ethel Paddison were my maternal uncle and aunt, isn't it a small world? I can only assume that you're Joey and Eve's son? Your siblings are Maureen, Linda, Stephen and Shawn?
This is what I have on the Melford family so far, Thomas Melford (1814-1878) married Honoria Berry (1816-1888) around 1834 in Co. Mayo, Ireland. Their children were Rose Ann Melford (1838-1918) S A Melford (1838), Margaret Melford (1846), Thomas Melford (1851) all born in Co. Mayo, John Melford (1853) was born in Sheffield.
I do have more information on this family if you're interested?
Hope to hear from you soon.
Kind regards
Chris.
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Hi Chris
Your correct I am Joe and Eva's son and I would love to take you up on your offer of more information on the Melford clan.
Today I found a John Melford (farmer) age 72 wife Ellen and daughter Mary on the Irish 1911 census they live at house 13 Ballintleva Clogher Co Mayo could this be Roseannas brother their about the same age and possibly the farm was taken over from their father.
Let me know how to send you my contact details.
Regards Mick
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Hi Mick...Just to put you in the picture, I'm the youngest daughter of Cecilia (nee Knott) and Joe Martin, we lived in Gainford Grove on Greatfield, not far from your mum and dad. How's your mum, I haven't see her in ages.
The Melfords came across to England around 1852 (about the time of the 1848-1854 potato famine). Rose Ann and her father came across first followed by Honoria (I believe Honoria changed her name to Hannah,or it was misheard) and the rest of the children. In 1858 Rose Ann had an illigitimate daughter Mary Ann who Thomas and Honoria raised as their own. However, Rose Ann was found on the 1861 Census as being an inmate of the workhouse. Rose Ann Married George Handly in 1862 and had a further seven children, Elizabeth (1862) Ann (1864) Mary (1870) Jane (1873) Rose (1875-1956) James (1877) and Sarah (1880-c1970).
Yes, John could be Rose Ann's brother and may have gone back to Ireland after the famine. As Melford (often spelt Milford) isn't a common name in Co. Mayo, it seems more likely that it is him. The general concensus is that Thomas originated from Armagh/County Down districts as there are no records for him in Co. Mayo but there are a lot of Berrys there, so Honoria was definitely from there.
On the Sheffield 1881 Census, Rose Ann and George are living at Ct7 1 New Street with their family and Honoria/Hannah Melford is living at Ct1 4 New Street with Mary Ann and Mary Ann's son John T Melford.
It's not a good idea to put personal email addresses on these public forum sites as you don't know who's reading them, pity really because I have a database full of our Knott families going back to 1665, not all my own work I hasten to add, a distant cousin called Alan Knott (great grandson of Jonas Knott)helped me out there.
Kind regards
Chris
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Hi Chris
Thanks for the info if you want to get in touch you can do it through this email address which I use for none secure dealings on the web : *
Regards Mick
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Honoria was the wife of James Berry, an early Berry of Tuam, Co Galway. He died 1775, intestate. This in Prerogative intestate administration. The family were gentry. They intermarried with gentry in Co Mayo, which wasn't very far away.
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