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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: maz1968 on Tuesday 09 December 08 18:07 GMT (UK)
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My sister and I are new to all this and wondered which certificate is the best to obtain to fine both sets of grand parents, we don't have all names or D.O.B, so wounder if it would be best to get marriage certificates 1st or birth certificates.
We have names and some dates of grand parents, but only 1 great grandparent. so wounder what all your views are to get the rest of our great grand parents.
Maz
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Hi Maz
If you would post details of what you already know and names etc - it will be easier for us to help you and point you in the right direction
If it is in connection with your Rutter - Guy FH I notice there have been 2 previous posts
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,344411.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,344598.msg2231398.html#msg2231398
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Yes Carole it is in connection with those 2 posts.
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Hi Maz
If we take the Ralph Rutter/May Guy side first
This is their marriage reference
Ralph A Rutter to May Guy March quarter 1927 Morpeth Volume 10B Page 607
You will note he is Ralph A so this could be his birth reference
Births June qtr 1895
Ralph Armstrong Rutter Alnwick Vol 10b Page 446
There is only one Ralph Rutter on the 1901 so it must be him
Denwick Village - all b Denwick except where shown otherwise
James Rutter 34 quarryman
Isabella 34 b Amble
Mary A 15 b Chevington
Ellen 13
James 11
Isabella 9
Herbert 7
Ralph 5
Jessie 3
John 11months
RG13; Piece: 4841; Folio: 14; Page: 8
Marriages December qtr 1885
Isabella Spavin Armstrong Alnwick 10b 506
James Rutter Alnwick 10b 506
There is a birth in the September qtr 1901 for a May Guy Ref Tynemouth 10B 355 but as the birth was after the 1901 census, I can't match it to an entry
I would therefore recommend that you start by getting a copy of the Rutter/Guy marriage cert (see ref above) as that will confirm Ralph's fathers name and give you May's age and fathers name
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Hi Maz
There is a lot of info already posted about the Maud Routledge/George Dodds side of your FH on the following link so I won't duplicate it here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,344411.0.html
Those replies give 1901 info and her birth ref plus a possible first marriage reference
There were 2 possible birth entries for George and as there was no subsequent marriage between him and Maud it would be difficult to establish exactly which one is the right entry
As the birth entry for Maud is the only possible one and her father was not present at the time of the 1901 census - I would recommend you get a copy of her birth cert to find her fathers name and mothers maiden name
Maud Elizabeth Routledge
Gateshead March Q 1896
10a 929
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Hi Maz
This is info we have already discussed in our pm exchange but I am posting it here for continuity purposes. You don't need to reply to it
Maude Routledge married John G Thompson in the March qtr 1916 ref Tynemouth Vol 10B Page 387
As they married in the Tynemouth registration district, I found these births on freebmd - in all cases - mothers maiden name was Routledge
Births June qtr 1917
Thompson Mary E Tynemouth 10b 561
Births Sept qtr 1918
Thompson John G Tynemouth 10b 546
Births June qtr 1921
Thompson Robert J Tynemouth 10b 661
Births Sept qtr 1923
Thompson Jane H Tynemouth 10b 565
Your father has now said that it was George William Henderson Dodds who was Maude's partner after Thompson went into an asylum
This is his birth registration
Births September qtr 1894
George William H Dodds Darlington 10a 30
When you receive the marriage and birth certificates detailed in my previous reply - just post the details on this message as a reply
Please do not raise a new post as all relevant info is here
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Thank you Carole for all your research you have been a great help.
>>>>HUGS<<<<<
Maz
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Or from my post on a previous thread
However there are 2 George William H Dodds
March Q 1890 Tynemouth
10b 297
Sept Q 1894 Darlington
10a 30
I am inclined to believe the Tynemouth one is him
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Hi Madpants
Sorry - you are correct and it could be either. I only searched 2 years either side of Gertrude's birthyear so missed the 1890 one
In view of the other Tynemouth info re: Routledge/Thompson marriage and births I agree with you that the 1890 Tynemouth birth looks the likeliest
If Maz wants to pursue the Dodds side - she could order that 1890 birth cert and put a condition on her application that she only wants it if the 3rd christian name was Henderson
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Hi Carole,
no worries, it get's a tad confusing when the same subject has been covered on several different threads :D
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sorry guys I was not trying to carry on the same subject else where, I originally just had a general question on which certificate is normally best to get to find any family members info....
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Hi everyone
I have just been rooting through all the info that you lot have found from me and my sister on our grand parents.
I'm not quit sure that we have my correct grandmother on my mum's side....May Guy born 1901 Tynemouth.. 10b/607
We have found that my Grand father on my mum side ... Ralph Rutter was born June Q 1995 Alnwick... 10b/446
There just seems to be a big distance between them to meet up..... I know my mum was born at home in Hadston Northumberland which is a lot closer to Alnwick...
So I'm not sure if the married date is correct that you found for them... or if it was for another Ralph Rutter and May Guy...... March Q 1927 10b/607...
Not sure if it was Morpeth they were married
I know you did find a Ralph Rutter born 1906 in Morpeth but we are sure he's not correct one....
Can anyone help as I am now just totally confused.....
For ever in your hands......
A confused.com..... Maz
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Oooops I forgot to say that I was hoping to get May Guy and Ralph Rutter's Marriage certificate soon, so this is why I was wanting to make sure I had the correct people 1st...
We did find that Ralph Rutters parents if this helps....
James Rutter born 1867 Alnwick
Isabella Spavin Armstrong born 1867 Alnwick.
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Hi
From my reply dated 9th Dec 2008
I would therefore recommend that you start by getting a copy of the Rutter/Guy marriage cert (see ref above) as that will confirm Ralph's fathers name and give you May's age and fathers name
This is their marriage reference
Ralph A Rutter to May Guy March quarter 1927 Morpeth Volume 10B Page 607
I very much doubt there were two Ralph Rutter/May Guy marriages
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There just seems to be a big distance between them to meet up.....
They were born less than 40 miles apart and people can move around a bit over the course of 26 years. As the names are not common, I'd be pretty certain it's right.
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OK thanks everyone.....
There marriage cert is next on my list...
I'm at the moment waiting for Maud Routledge's (my grand mother) birth cert in the post and is due any day... In the hope to find my great Grand father... on my dads side..
Will let you know when it arrives and what extra info I get....
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I got the Birth certificate everyone so we have some more info to go on....
Maud Elizabeth Routledge : Born 23rd January 1996
Address at birth : 39 Arthur Street Gateshead.
Mother : Mary Jane Calderwood.
Father : James Robert Routledge... General Labourer
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I got the Birth certificate everyone so we have some more info to go on....
Maud Elizabeth Routledge : Born 23rd January 1996
I think you'll find that was 1896 ;)
The parents marriage appears to have been in Newcastle T in March 1/4 of 1892
Thomas Robert Routledge and on the same page Mary Calderwood.
Should be easy enough to find them in 1901 now
Carol
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Here they are in 1901- dad is not at home(is he likely to be at sea?)
Mary Routledge married head 31 b Newcastle
James R son 9 b " "
Alfred son 7 b Gateshead
Maud E dau 5 b "
Agnes A dau 3 b Newcastle
Thomas P son 9 mths b Hartford ? Bridge
3 Camden Street,Newcastle uopn Tyne
RG13/4785 folio 102 page 26
Carol
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I think you'll find that was 1896 ;)
The parents marriage appears to have been in Newcastle T in March 1/4 of 1892
Thomas Robert Routledge and on the same page Mary Calderwood.
Carol
ooops slip of the finger yes 1896....
Carol its James Robert Routledge not Thomas Robert...
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Maz
The GRO Index has a marriage of a Thomas Robert Routledge on the same page as a Mary Calderwood.
The only way to check those facts would be to get the cert and see if the error is in the indexes or on the cert itself.
Shame he's not at home in 1901 eh ;D
Carol
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more info found with thanks to Gladys.....
the Marrige of my great grand parents....
January 4th 1872 at christ church Newcastle upon tyne.
James Robert Routledge age 21, Bachelor, fathers name - John george Routledge.
Mary J Calderwood age 21, spinster, father's name - Robert Hodge Calderwood...
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further info found Mary J Calderwood's parents and siblings....
Robert. H. Calderwood - Head - 48 - born 1833 - Newcastle.
Elizabeth Calderwood - wife - 40 - born 1841 - stannington.
william.A. calderwood - son - 13 - born 1868 - newcastle
Mary Calderwood - daur - 11 - born 1870 - newcastle
Beatrice calderwood - Daur - 9 - born 1872 - newcastle
Robert Calderwood - son - 7 - born 1874 - newcastle
Thomas calderwood - son - 2 - born 1879 - newcastle
Jane.I. calderwood - daur - 2m - born 1881 - newcastle
All living at 19 carliol street, newcastle
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Also my great grand father Robert Dodds..
John Dodds - head -59 - born 1823 - Felkington, north/land.
Anne Dodds - wife - 53 - born 1823 - newbigging, north/land.
Robert Dodds - son -17 - born 1864 - cowpen colliery.
George Nelson - son inlaw - 24 - born 1857 - cowpen colliery.
Ann Nelson - Daur - 21 - born 1860 - cowpen colliery.
Archbold Nelson - grandson - 1 - born 1880 - cowpen colliery.