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Trying to trace information regarding Clarissa Foxwell Beames b abt 1825 not sure where (London? Wiltshire?) England who married Peter Johnson 12/02/1843 in Adelaide, South Australia. Clarissa d 29 Aug 1897.
I think her father may be James Beames. Trying to locate a record for his wife and children.
Shipping records show:
Fairlie left London 04/04/1840
Beames, John’s 5 children George, James, Emma, 2 sons.
Beames James, wife Clarissa nee Foxwell - however a booklet written for a Johnson family reunion states father James Beames; daughter Clarissa Foxwell Beames and sons George and James immigrating to Australia on the Fairlie.
Any help would be appreciated - Clarissa Foxwell Johnson (nee Beames) married Henry Pritchard 30 Dec 1863 Trinity Church Adelaide - second marriages for both. Clarissa & Peter Johnson had 3 children - Henry and Clarissa had 2 children.
Aileen
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This is the information on the index (note mispelling on the index)
Groom: PROTCHARD Henry aged 41 father John Protchard
Bride: JOHNSON Clarrissa aged 40 father James BEAMES
30/12/1863 Trinity Church [Adelaide] Book/Page: 56/62
Jenn
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Thanks for the reply - possibly the transcription of the shipping record was incorrect. I can't seem to find what part of England she originated from.
Aileen
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Eileen read the blurb on Di Cummings website about the records
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/BoundforSouthAustralia.htm
Di's transcription was taken from the newspapers of the day.
There is unfortunately only submitted records of Clarissa's birth in IGI - I always treat with caution. One record has her born 1823 and the other 1825...this looks as though her birth dates were estimated from date of 2nd marriage and her death registration. One submitted record has her born London and one Wiltshire.
Her first marriage in 1843 shows her age as MI and there is a symbol E in the reg...
E. *A possible clerical error appears which was not amended by the extractors such as:
* End of the month confusion such as 31 Sep 1890
* An indefinite date such as when the date stated in the date box differs from the certified date at the bottom of the registration. Usually the earlier date was entered.
BISA records her as the 2nd wife of Henry PRITCHARD, born 1825 Wiltshire, England. This is probably submitted information as well.
Was the booklet assembled in England or Australia? I wonder if parish records have been sighted?
Just a couple of random thoughts.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi
Thanks for the reply. I have visited Di Cummings website a lot - she has done an amazing amount of work and the information is excellent.
One would think that Foxwell must be a family name and I am thinking that Clarissa's mother could have been a Foxwell. I am not sure where to look for further information.
The book I referred to is a a collection of stories about Peter Johnson's descendants. The committee collating all the information called it Johnson Jottings. In it they state that Clarissa was born in about 1825 in London, England and came to South Australia with her father, James and two brothers, George & James, in 1840 aboard the Fairlie. On arrival she was registered as a sick and destitute immigrant and received relief for at least a month after arrival. It is believed that Clarissa suffered from violent sea-sickness for the entire voyage from England.
This book is not meant to be a reference book but just a collection of stories for family members. It is certainly interesting to read especially when there are family links.
Aileen
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Hi
Thanks for the reply. I have visited Di Cummings website a lot - she has done an amazing amount of work and the information is excellent.
One would think that Foxwell must be a family name and I am thinking that Clarissa's mother could have been a Foxwell. I am not sure where to look for further information.
The book I referred to is a a collection of stories about Peter Johnson's descendants. The committee collating all the information called it Johnson Jottings. In it they state that Clarissa was born in about 1825 in London, England and came to South Australia with her father, James and two brothers, George & James, in 1840 aboard the Fairlie. On arrival she was registered as a sick and destitute immigrant and received relief for at least a month after arrival. It is believed that Clarissa suffered from violent sea-sickness for the entire voyage from England.
This book is not meant to be a reference book but just a collection of stories for family members. It is certainly interesting to read especially when there are family links.
Aileen
BEAMES James, wife, Clarissa Foxwell, Geo, Jas, Em, 2 sons arrived 1840-07-07 on Fairlie from London 1840-04-04 - from from Passengers List South Australia - possibly it was James Beames wife plus 6 children!
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Hi
Thanks for the reply. I have visited Di Cummings website a lot - she has done an amazing amount of work and the information is excellent.
One would think that Foxwell must be a family name and I am thinking that Clarissa's mother could have been a Foxwell. I am not sure where to look for further information.
The book I referred to is a a collection of stories about Peter Johnson's descendants. The committee collating all the information called it Johnson Jottings. In it they state that Clarissa was born in about 1825 in London, England and came to South Australia with her father, James and two brothers, George & James, in 1840 aboard the Fairlie. On arrival she was registered as a sick and destitute immigrant and received relief for at least a month after arrival. It is believed that Clarissa suffered from violent sea-sickness for the entire voyage from England.
This book is not meant to be a reference book but just a collection of stories for family members. It is certainly interesting to read especially when there are family links.
Aileen
BEAMES James, wife, Clarissa Foxwell, Geo, Jas, Em, 2 sons arrived 1840-07-07 on Fairlie from London 1840-04-04 - from from Passengers List South Australia - possibly it was James Beames wife plus 6 children!
I wonder if the following are all children of James Beames
BEAMES George married PAINTER Susannah on 1848-09-02
JOHNSON Peter married BEAMES Clarissa Foxwell on 1843-02-12
WILLIAMS John married BEAMES Emma on 1849-10-09
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Aileen on the 1st marriage for Clarissa no father is recorded and the 2nd marriage James BEAMES is listed as father. I checked this initially but didn't detail any of the info I felt I was duplicating information.
I am unable to check the others for you as I am having problems with the Marriage Index CD.
Marriages regs in the 1840's will not show parents' names
Marriage info 1842-1856
* Date and Place of Marriage
* Bride and Bridegrooms Names, Ages and Rank
* Signatures and Description
* Name of Clergyman
IGI does not show a marriage of James BEAMES to a FOXWELL.
A possible death for James...only two James BEAMES on the SA indexes to 1915.
BEAMES James
2 May 1876 75 years Status Not known Relative not recorded
Residence Nr Crafers Death Place Nr Crafers Ade 73/143
Cando
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Thanks for your help
Aileen
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George's death notice shows him as James' son
BEAMES.— On the 18th January, at his sister's
residence, Dublin, George Beames, eldest son of the
late James Beames, of Crafers, aged 62 years. Colonist
of 48 years.
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1888 'Family Notices.', South Australian Weekly Chronicle (Adelaide, SA : 1881 - 1889), 28 January, p. 4, viewed 27 April, 2014, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article94729762
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Thanks Paul Gen. Proves without a doubt that they were siblings. :)
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Hello,
I would like to find the name of James Beames wife.
I have found the following death notice.
BEAMES.—On the 4th February, at her daughter's residence, Dublin, the widow of the late James Beames, of CraFers, aged 85 years. A colonist of 40 years. This was in the South Australian Advertiser February 1880.
Regards Jenny
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Mistranscribed surname.
Death
BEANS Emma 85 years Status Widow Relative not recorded
4 Feb 1880
Residence Dublin Death Place Dublin Gil 10/363
Cando
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Timber Licences
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article73843864
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article158917579
Problems with son-in-law 1855, 1857
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article49310906
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article50247420
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article92250324
South Australian Chronicle and Weekly Mail 6 May 1876
We regret to have to record the death of another old colonist, Mr. James Beames, who died at his residence at Crafers, aged 75, from heart disease and dropsy combined, on the 2nd of May. Mr. Beames had been a resident In the Hills for 34 years, and had for many years kept the Post-Office and store at Crafers, but he has lately been leading, a retired life.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article92250319
BEAMES On the 2nd May, at his late residence, Crafers, from heart diseaae and dropsy, Mr. James Beames, aged 75, a resident in the hills of about 34 years. He leaves a widow and a large circle of relatives and friends by whom he was loved, esteemed, and respected.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01e4v/
Obituary of their dau, Clarissa Foxwell PRITCHARD, born Wiltshire, who died at Dublin in 1897.
Cando
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Emma, wife of James Beames died 4 Feb 1880 at Dublin SA, this raises a question regarding Clarissa Beames nee Foxwell, who arrived with James on the Fairlie in 1840. There does not appear to be an SA marriage record for James and Emma, nor a death for Clarissa.
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AS previously stated Clarissa wasn't his wife as there is this marriage
JOHNSON Peter, adult, married BEAMES Clarissa Foxwell, ~18, on 1843-02-12 at St John, Ade
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I have been looking at this again this morning as Clarissa Foxwell Johnson married my 2nd g-grandfather Henry Pritchard.
Clarissa’s marriages
Clarissa Beames married Peter Johnson 12th February in Adelaide - Dist: Ade, Symbol: E, Book: 9, Page: 11
Clarissa Johnson married Henry Pritchard (widow) 30 Dec 1863 in Adelaide - Dist: Ade, Book: 56, Page: 62
Clarissa Foxwell Beames parents have been a bit of a puzzle.
James Beames is her father and there is a question as to her Mother. The shipping records indicate that her mother is Clarissa but the death registration indicates that it is Emma (Beans).
It appears that Clarissa and Emma were sisters. Their parents are Joseph and Elizabeth Foxwell.
Clarissa born 09 Feb 1791 Wotton under Edge, Gloucestershire, England FindMyPast Archive reference TNA/RG/4/3564
Emma born 17 Jun 1795 Wotton under Edge, Gloucestershire, England FindMyPast Archive reference TNA/RG/4/3564
According to the above information the birth date for Emma would make her the correct age at death. So possibly the death record is correct??
I have world subscriptions to two genealogy research sites and cannot afford to subscribe to another. However I have found on another site the following and I cannot obtain more information without paying another subscription. I am wondering if someone could check this out for me please.
Groom: James Beames
Bride: Emma Foxwell
County: Gloucestershire
Year: 1822
Banns
Sorry this is a bit long winded but would appreciate any help.
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AS previously stated Clarissa wasn't his wife as there is this marriage
JOHNSON Peter, adult, married BEAMES Clarissa Foxwell, ~18, on 1843-02-12 at St John, Ade
Jen
Jen is right :)
Clarissa Foxwell Beames parents have been a bit of a puzzle.
James Beames is her father and there is a question as to her Mother. The shipping records indicate that her mother is Clarissa but the death registration indicates that it is Emma (Beans).
I interpret the transcribed shipping information as James BEAMES, his wife , [not named] his dau Clarissa Foxwell, and siblings. According to the mistranscribed death registration which I found, James wife was Emma.
BEAMES James, wife, Clarissa Foxwell, Geo, Jas, Em, 2 sons arrived in SA 1840-07-07 aboard Fairlie from London 04-04 [Source1(+James B EAMES),2,4,7(P JOHNSON),20,23(6,1),29]
Sources -
1. E A D Opie, South Australian Records prior to 1841, Adelaide, 1917
2. Register of Emigrant Labourers Applying for a Free Passage to South Australia 1836-41, PRO CO 386/149-151
4. South Australian Birth Registration Certificates Index 1842-1928, Genealogy SA, 2012
7. Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885, SAGHS, 1986
20 South Australian Marriage Registration Certificates Index 1842-1937, Genealogy SA, 2012
23 1841 South Australia Census Returns, SAA, GRG24/13
http://www.jaunay.com/cgi-bin/search-census.cgi
29 Return of sick and destitute emigrants receiving relief 1840, SAA, GRG24/1
I suggest you search some of the resources for further info. 7 and 29 refer to JOHNSON.
A public tree has the marriage by banns - the compiler appears to be a FOXWELL researcher.
BEAMES James
FOXWELL Emma
26 Dec 1822 Wotton Under Edge, Gloucestershire, England
I think there has been some poor research and the online trees bar one, appear to have copied from one another.
Have you searched family search.org - the transcribed parish records
Cando
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Cando
Thank you for the reply.
The Clarissa who married Peter Johnson is James’ daughter.
I did not get the marriage information re James Beames & Emma Foxwell from a tree on ancestry.com but from the genealogist.co.uk website. Unfortunately I cannot access the full data without paying a subscription fee. There are various levels of fees but the information I want is only available on the most expensive level.
I have researched the Digger disks.
You are right about the trees on Ancestry.com. Many do not have sources for their information but copy it from other trees. In fact some of the trees give another public tree as the source for their information.
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Aileen I was aware that Clarissa was the dau :)
You may have researched the CD's but you missed Emma's death because her surname was mistranscribed. Other researchers have named his wife as Clarissa along with the correct date of death. I wonder how many other researchers bother to do their own research but simply copy others' research, errors and all :(
You now have the information that James' wife was Emma. Have you researched the other SA resources I posted?
I would suggest that the person who posted the full information about James and Emma's marriage on a public tree has sighted the parish record otherwise how would the date and place of the marriage be known along with the information that they were married by Banns.
Cando
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Thank you Cando
I did have the death of Emma Beames (transcribed as Beans) but was totally confused by all the conflicting trees and information all with Clarissa as the wife of James. I have researched the majority of the sites you listed but not the Return of sick and destitute emigrants receiving relief 1840. Is this available online or do I have to go to a library?
Thanks so much for your help.
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I think one needs to treat online trees with great caution. I can't understand why you were confused if, as you say, you had found Emma's death.
I have researched the majority of the sites you listed but not the Return of sick and destitute emigrants receiving relief 1840. Is this available online or do I have to go to a library?
Aileen
They are not websites but resources. Perhaps you could share what you have found as it may help the new chatter on the thread, corona2883 [Jenny] who is also researching this family. I thought you would have acknowledged her ;)
1. E A D Opie, South Australian Records prior to 1841, Adelaide, 1917
2. Register of Emigrant Labourers Applying for a Free Passage to South Australia 1836-41, PRO CO 386/149-151
23 1841 South Australia Census Returns, SAA, GRG24/13
http://www.jaunay.com/cgi-bin/search-census.cgi
29 Return of sick and destitute emigrants receiving relief 1840, SAA, GRG24/1
1. Try SLSA.
2, 23, 29 -The resources SA Archives hold the prefixes SAA and PRO and this last resource may be for Clarissa whose husband Peter JOHNSON deserted her and the children for six years. Some resources may also be at SLSA.
Cando
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Has this info been sighted previously?
The SA Shipping sources 1836-1842 CD has Clarissa BEAMES domestic servant aged 16.
Application #7199 / Embarkation #4375
Father John (error) a gardener age 35, wife 36, sons 14, 10, 3, 8m; dau 7
App. #7198 / Emb. #4374
Essie