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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: karenkozak on Thursday 04 December 08 17:52 GMT (UK)
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My 3rd great grandmother is Isabella McArthur I have found her marriage cert from SP and she married Dec 1836 to John Begly in Neilston Renfrew the parish was stated as Kirktonfield. I have her parents listed as Alexander McArthur and Isabella McDonald ?? I haven't been able to confirm this, I have no other info on Isabella ie, place of birth, date of birth or siblings..any help would be appricated, help fill in the blanks on Isabella.. thanks Karen :-[
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1841 census
age 30 born c1811 Scotland
Living Crawford St, Barony
husband Jno 26
father in law JaJas 60
children alex 4, jas 4, jno 2
Ages in 1841 are unreliable so I'll look for later census results.
Hoping to get clues to death record as after 1855 it will show parents.
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1851 census
75 McAlpine St, Glasgow, St George
Isabela Begly
[Isabella Begley]
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813 Fort William, Inverness (transcribed For William)
Spouse's Name: John
Alexander Begly 15
Archibald Begly 8
James Begly 17
John Begly 12
John Belty 45 head b Queely, Ireland
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The 1841 census index for Neilston can be viewed online at
http://www.barrhead-scotland.com/Culture/history/1841census_entry.asp
However there is no Alexander or Isabel (Isabella) McArthur of the right age group listed. (The 2 Isabella's listed are aged 10 & 15)
It is possible that
1. The family moved away from Neilston or
2. That Alexander & Isabella died pre 1841 and their daughters marriage.
3. That your Isabella was not from the area but working in one of the many mills or bleach related industries in Neilston prior to her marriage.
(Special block houses were built for women workers in the village)
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Thanks Falkryn, that's useful to know - I've a feeling you mentioned it recently? and I've promptly forgotten! ::)
Can't see her on 1861.
Can't see husband John either.
Suggests they died or moved out of Scotland prior to then.
Had look for birth on SP in Inverness. Is* McArthur (soundex)
Closest match: Isabella McArthur b1803 to John McArthur / Isabella Campble
Extended to entire Scotland 1809 - 1815 : 19 matches
If fathers name input as Alexander : 3 matches, none if you add Isabella as 2nd parent.
None with mother as Isabella, no father.
I've viewed the 19 (getting monies worth for the credit) but none are obviously your gal.
What is your source for parents Alexander and Isabella?
One of the births is in 1812 but parents Archibald and Isobel McDougall AND it is in Glasgow.
No trace of death for John on SP either.
Dave
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Hi
thank you for your help.. you've been most helpful. I have John born abt 1810 Donegal Ireland and Isabella I fiqure the same year and Scotland. they were married Dec 8 1816 Neilston Renfrew,I have a copy of a poor house relief application that my cousin got it also states that her father and Uncle Agnus McArthur were crofters?? just not sure if correct?? it's dated Kilmonivaig, May 1867 if this means anything.I have search SP on births for Isabella and have found 2 Alexander McArthur but both had 2 different wives, both Isabella's but 1 was a McDonald and the other a Chisholm?? I know if I could find a sibling I would find the right parentage for her?? Sorry for blabbling on.. basically I'm talking to myself as I'm typing..lol.. and jumping between files to give what I have to help in search???
Below is an obit I found on the web, actually stumbled into it.. the spelling of the name is different, I wrote the Glasgow hospital and it confirmed that John was there. This is were I got some of the information , parentage and such, but so far I haven't been able to confirm anything..paper work on the Begley's is well hidden.. thanks for your help Karen
Obit- Biggly Y, John, Steam Boat Labourer, Male 45, born County Donegal Ireland, 30 yrs in Glasgow. Parents James Begley, Day Labourer (dec) and Mary McGinnnis (Dec). Spouse Isabella McArthur. Children James, Alexander 17 (twins) John 15, Archibald 13 Neil dec at 3 mos. Died June 7 1855 at Royal Infirmary Glasgow of Compound Fracture of the Thigh, ill 5 days as cert by William Leishman, clerk. Buried Dalbeth Cemetery, Glasgow as cert by James Lynch, undertaker. Sighned Isabella Biggly, her X mark, mother
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I'll come back to you Karen.
I've got a few other things I'm looking at on my own family just now. I've got a 'wee' list.
I keep jumping from my own stuff to RC and get myself confused (easy done).
Perhaps someone else will join your thread.
Falkryn is not alone in watching this board.
Dave
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The 'obit' you have found is actually details from a death cert. Lucky enough, it's 1855 and there's a lot more information than usual! :)
The IGI has an extracted record of the marriage of John Begley to Isabella McArthur on the 8th of Dec 1836 at Neilston. Have you checked the record on ScotlandsPeople (http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk) just in case there's any clues to be had there? No children show on SP or the IGI but it will depend on what religion they were. Only Church of Scotland parish records have been digitised just now.
I've found Isabella's death. She died Jan. 18th 1969 at Barnhill Poor House, Springburn aged about 60 years. Her parents are given as Alexander McCarter, farmer and Isabella McCarter m.s. McDonald. Neither are noted deceased, so you may be able to find death certs. for them. Isabella's death was registered by the governer of the poorhouse, John MacKay.
Possible death for Isabella's mum -- Isabella McArthur m.s. McDonald died 1864 at Lochaber, Inverness aged 79.
hume24
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Two extracted records showing for Alexr. MacArthur and Isabella MacDonald
Peggy MacArthur, b. 20th May 1823 Kilmonivaig, Inverness
Amelly MacArthur b. 21st Oct 1825 Kilmonivaig, Inverness
Two other possible brothers. Father's name only showing on IGI record.
Archibald McArthur, b. 22nd Jun 1814 Kilmonivaig, Inverness
Alexr. McArthur, chr. 15th Jul 1820 Kilmonivaig, Inverness
And to round off, a submitted entry that may be the same people. However, I would be a bit hesitant ... Nan/Nany are usually variants of Agnes, not Isabella. :-\
Alexr. McArthur married Nany McDonald 18th Feb 1807 in Kilmonivaig, Inverness
hume24
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/050t/
:-\ Always best to give all information. Not only does it prevent repeat searching, but also the saving of a few credits.
hume24
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hume24,
you never cease to impress me.
More often than not, you find that wee bit extra.
Excellent point about sharing what research has already been done.
Dave
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Morning..I thank you very much for the info. The religion was Roman Catholic, that is also stated on the son marriage cert , his parents name were on the marriage that is how I came to have them in the beginning. this is what I have for Isabella it states a Mcdonald and Mcarthur, sorry I spealt Angus wrong.. I spealt the girls name instead of the man's name...
I appricate all the help and I thank you for the Marthur names will check them out and see what I can find on them..Karen
I've just noticed that there is a decriptance in the death date?? I'm hoping there isn't another Isabella Mcauthur Begley?? this was applied in May 1869 and I have her death as of jan 1869?? Now I'm really getting confused...
After John's death there were 3 occasions when Isabella applied for poor relief. The first was January 1859. She said her parents were dead and she applied on the grounds of Ill health and no earnings. She applied in Kilmorivay-Assume must be near Fort William. At that time her Uncle Angus McArthur (Think and not McDonald ?) was still alive. In her application she states and Inspector of Kilmorivay Workhouse met her on the canal bank and gave her 1 shilling and some refreshments, he said he'd pay her aliment when she was home with body of Clement McDonald to Brackllette?? 6 years ago. At that time James, Alex and John were soldiers and Archibald worked at the quay.
Second Application was again to Kilmorivay and was in May 1869. This tells us that she and John Begley were married for 32 yrs, by Father ??? in Paisley, states John Begley was born in Ireland . She states that James and Alex were born in Young Street but usual residence was 24 school Wynd and John was born in Neilston, he was a hammerman.
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Hello Karen,
I don't think you have two women of the same name. More likely the poor application was made before Isabella's death but was only considered and/or granted after it. The money may have then been shared among her children but I would probably think the poor board would not allow this.
If her uncle Angus was still alive in 1859, there should be a death certificate for him - have you tried searching for it under both M*cArthur and M*cDonald, presumabely in the Kilmonivaig area? Provided the information is on the certificate, this would give you Isabella's grandparents either on her maternal or paternal side.
hume24
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Hi
I've tried searching for both through SP and Ancestry, there were soooo many I didn't even know where to start..Or wht I was looking for???? At one point I thought maybe I had a different Isabella McArthur?? there likely more than 1 girl with that name seems they all named there children with that one name?? Like John Begly/Begley apparently there is another John Begly that was living in Scotland at the time of my John Begly// oh well.. thanks will have to try again. you's all have given me some new clues..will use those and see what pops up.. thanks and have a good day..Karen