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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: landgirl on Tuesday 02 December 08 22:37 GMT (UK)
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LANDGIRL.would some one look up1891census for sculcoats ,george place.dock st.
FRED MILLER (HEAD)age 48. b/russia .seaman
maria miller.wife age 42,born/Germany.dressmaker from home.
albert.aged 14 Marias son, surname un readable maybe Ludwig maria's maiden name, ancestry say LADERAL,nothing like it.
Louisa unreadable as above. aged11.true daughter of fred and Maria
1901 census. maria had changed her name to MARY LAVERACK. living in
Welton TERrace.Wassand str. Hessle rd also a fred miller lodged there .by then was married.his name was laverack Albert was my grandad.my maiden name was Laverack. seems lik gt grandad had vanished,fred the lodger was 31 a british subject reg,searched over 30 yrs to find this enigma.MARIA ,was buried in hullas Mary miller. in 1922 eastern cemetery LANDGIRL
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1891
George Rd
5 Dock St
Sculcoates
Fred Miller Husband M 48 Seaman Russia
Maria ditto wife M 43 Dressmaker germany
Albert Ludwig step son 14 Scholar Hull Yorks
Louisa ditto ditto daughter 11 Scholar Hull Yorks
RG12 3933 97 30
at least that is how I read the image
Suz
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1901
9 Welton terrace
Mary Laverack head W 40 Dressmaker own account at home Germany (B.S. )
Fred Miller Boarder S 31 Docker (lab) Russia (B.S.)
RG13 4506 130 9
B.S. is not in enumerator's writing -assume it was added afterwards when ensus return being checked
Suz
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Hi Landgirl & Suz,
I read the 1891 as Maria, not Mary, and the children's surnames as Ladroig or Lodroig - here's the image, you choose!
(http://xs434.xs.to/xs434/08492/maria737.png)
Barbara :)
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Barabara -it is definately maria
and possibly Ladvig ?
I wonder-if with the foreign accents the enumerator could understand what was being given as the name and age
Also wondered if the 1901 are the same Maria and fred??? Ages given misunderstood????
Could this be Albert in 1901
9 Crowther Buildings
South Parade
Hull
Yorks
Albert laverack Head M 23 Marine Fireman
Lillia wife 24
Mary E daughter 3
Albert son 2
Alfred F(?) 3mth
all b Hull Yorks
RG13 4504 117 16
Suz
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By the way - in 1901 Fred miller is a Boarder -not a lodger
there is a difference
a Boarder lived "as family" -took meals with the family etc
a lodger - didn't live as family - basically a place to sleep and would only have meals as requested and paid for
Suz
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Just looking at Albert's name in 1891
Think it starts La
then what looks like a "d" is not like the other "d"'s on the page
wondered if it could be "Lacverig" ???
Suz
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Looks like Albert in 1901, Suz :)
Don't know about the parents, I noticed the age difference, but Fred is given as single and listed below, whereas in 1891 he was head of family, possibly his son from an earlier marriage, as he should have been 58 in 1901??
Here's Albert's marriage from Yorkshire bmd:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0500/ you can order it through that site if you wish
1897 Albert LAVERACK to Lilias RICKETTS Hull Register Offices
Just checking the site for Albert & Louisa's births
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Can you see them in 1881?? Wondering what the surname for children was then, as unable to find them on yorksbmd births
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Will have to wait for landgirl to come back, maybe she has Albert's earlier details, birth cert, marriage cert already? I wondered if Maria had an earlier marriage to a Mr. Laverack (or whatever the name is) where and when, as children were born Hull but I can't see birth regs for them
Barbara
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I've just trawled through Albert's b Hull -and maria's b germany in 1881 -can't see any possiblities yet!
As you say -we'll have to wait for Landgirl
Suz
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landgirl
many thanks for your help,i have searched every angle for 35 yrs .have about 30 certificates ..birth death mariages, ialso knew as a child all of them.all alberts children have passed on.iam 81 and i have done this without help ,from others in Hull. i can no longer go to hull searching ,housebound now so you have given me alift up.albert and lilias had 10 children.he was a2nd engineer on trawlers,shipwrecked in1903.was never able to work again.ashamed he was German,a big secret,all inf o they had was burned by my english grandma,she was persecuted by policeafter grandad albert died.all because she married the man she loved.i have written to Breman seamans list archives they have passed my request on.iam still waiting. Albert laverack was born in Germany, and step sister i am positive.albert was illigitimate.came to u.k. ababy in marias arms.(so the story goes)Albert and Lilias did live in Crowther buildings after they married.i really want the place in germany and Russia. where they were born,