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I am trying to find the death of Thomas Hurd, wife living in Wakefield in 1841.
Searched all Wakefield no luck.
Thank you
Deno
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Hi Deno
From other posts on the web and 1841 Census:
1841 in Parish of Wakefield, on Nelson Street
Harriett HURD 48, Ind.
With children Henry 18, James 13, Edward 12 and Charles 9
Harriet was deceased before the 1851 Census and described on death certificate as a 'widow'.
Per the IGI (extracted:
the 1841 HURD/HIRD children (and there were others) were all christened in Sandal Magna.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sandalmagna/index.html
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sandalmagna/Sandalmagna34.html
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/CBW/WRY/Chapelthorpe.html
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/CBW/WRY/Sandalmagna.html
From their ages on the Census, it appears the children were Christened near the time of their births.
At age 9 on the 1841, Charles (HURD) indicates a birth of around 1832, In fact he must have been born no later than 31 Jan 1831, when he was christened at Sandal Magna. So in Jun 1841, he was 9 and half - due to turn 10 in or around Dec 1841. Another son, Frederick (HIRD) appears to have been christened 8 Dec 1833 at Sandal Magna. Since he's not on the 1841, may be worth seeing if there is a burial recrd for him on NBI and where (as HIRD or HURD)?
So I imagine this is how you are dating the death search for Thomas as between 1832 and 1841 - ie: between probable conception of Frederick and the 7 Jun Census 1841?
I read on another topic that:
a) Thomas was a Cattle Salesman deceased, as stated on harriet's death cert. What does it say on marriages of any children?
b) He was born abt 1797. How is this known?
While Thomas may well have been deceased by 1841, he may not have been - he could be away on his job - though possibly unlikely if Harriet was listed as "Ind".
To the outside observer, he could just have well abandoned the family, in which case Harriet may very well be listed as "Ind" in 1841 and as a "widow" when she died.
Since the last place we can maybe 'place Thomas is christenings of children up to 1831-1833 in Sandal magna, perhaps the Burial records for that parish?
http://www.wdfhs.co.uk/pubs.php#parish
Wakefield & District Family History Society
I believe you have already had a check done of the NBI for Thomas and nothing was found?
Maybe this might also help - can't hurt to contact them:
http://www.sandalmagna.com/pages/grapevine/07_12_03_christmas/index.html
The page contains an email address for the Parish office of Sandal Magna, which includes St Helens.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Wow, I have never had so much help before,
I will work through your message systamatically, and maybe this time I will come up with something.
Thank you.
Deno
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I have just read your message - I have a Charles Hurd in my family, christened 31.1. 1831 Sandal Magna. married Sarah in 1851 and died 1856. I have his father as Thomas and his mother as Harriet. Various brothers and sisters. Went to live in New Street, Wakefield, where he died. I wonder if we 'match'.
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Hi Headlands
Yes I am sure this is one of mine. I have the marriage certificate for Charles, I also have just found a couple of daughters of Charles and Sarah which I am looking into, from the 1861 census.
Do you have a copy of the death certificate for Charles, anything interesting on there?
Actually it is Thomas I am really stuck with as you can see.
It would appear he was still alive in March 1851 as his name is on the marriage cert of Charles and Sarah.
Harriets death cert states Thomas deceased in Aug 1850 but this info could have been given by a neighbour.
I have some other names of Thomas' children if it's of interest to you.
Please get back in touch I am very interested in your connection.
Deno
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Hi.
Tks for your reply - it's nice to hear from someone on the Hird trail. I looked for Charles Hurd for absolutely years after being given some wrong information and finally caught up with him a couple of years ago. Was I pleased!! I have surmised that his father and mother were Thomas and Harriet and that he was one of a number of their children: Henry, Elizabeth,William, Thomas, Frederick, Julia, James and Charles - I don't know if you have these, but I think they're pretty accurate. All born Sandal Magna. Do you agree?
Charles must have moved, maybe with his family, to Wakefield, New Street. Apparently New Street was an extremely poor area the 'lowest of the low' as it was described to me. He became a journeyman tailor. He and his wife had two children (maybe a boy called Alfred as well,but not sure about this) Julia Ann who was my gt grandmother, and Elizabeth who was described on one census as 'imbecile from birth'.
Julia born 21st January 1855 Charles Hurd father, Sarah Hurd formerly Horner mother. Registered by mother who could not write living New Street.
Charles died aged 25 on 12 April 1856. age 25 years, described as Tailor Journeyman. Cause of death hard to read but could be Artriois pulmonalis 2 years certified is about as well as I can discern. Probably heart and lungs? dont know. New Street is the address.
I believe Sarah moved to Ripon and married a painter (houses probably) called Lamb. Julia Ann moved again to Leeds where she met my gt grandfather Thomas Brown, moved to Bradford Yorks which is where we as a family all lived for many years.
And that is as much as I know I think.
I know nothing about Thomas and Harriet I'm afraid - it's taken me so long to get so far. Nor have I ever been to Hutton Magna although I'd like to and may get there this year. There must be something in the churchyard there...
Hope to hear from you
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Sorry Sandal Magna not Hutton Magna
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Hi
Well this is a really good match, I think if we pool our resources we may be able to move back from Thomas and Harriet. I have just sent for parish records of marriage of T & H in 1815,
and also a baptism record for Thomas (of which I am unsure) in 1798.
What I can tell you is that from my records i.e. marriage cert of Charles and Sarah, I would say her surname was Halley, father John Halley looks like couch or coach maker. Thomas farmer.
Charles Hurd 'Taylor'
I think the family lived in poor housing, possibly because Thomas left them, do you?
Anyway T&H children
1818 baptism George
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Hi again
Something peculiar just happened to my previous post, if you don't recieve it I will repeat it later.
For now I will just continue
Thomas and Harriet s children
1818 baptism George
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Try again
It is when I press the tab key.
So
children
George 1818
Matilda 1818 baptised Horbury
Henry 1823
James 1828 Sandal Magna
Julia 1828 m 1845 d 1854 following childbirth
Edward 1829
Charles 1831
Frederick 1833
I will find out about Elizabeth William and Thomas.
My ancester, or rather my families ancester, was George, 1818
Do you think we could swop a copy of Charles Death cert for the marriage cert that I have.
I can't use the fax until next week.
Anyway before this post disappears again.
Talk to you later
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Tks for your email. I'll be glad to send you the death cert, but it is not so clear. Can't do it tonight as am on my way out, but will get to do it tomorrow all being well. By the way, do you know of any connection with India - Julia Ann and my gt grandfather Thomas Brown received money and jewellery from a relative or someone close who went over to India to live. They lived in Mysore and I don't know who they were. My gt grandparents grocery bills were all paid by money etc that came over from India. We had pictures in the family of the chaps wife, decorated for marriage, but they have all been lost - I never saw them, but my mother did. It would be good if I could get to the bottom of this mystery after all these years. Do you know anything at all???
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Just another little note - I have Julia and Charles' marriage certificate thank you.
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Hi again
If the India connection was a Hurd, I think we should be looking at Alfreds life.
I will send for the birth cert from Wakefield, to confirm parents, I have March 1853. Can't see a death so lets hope he survived and went to India.
Surely it would have to be a son, to send money to the family.
I found some exellent sites on the web, one of them gave names of those who travelled to India, and the ships they travelled on.
F.I.B.I.S. families in British India society.
I did not give this much of my time, as I thought we need to find the basics first.
Actually, Alfred would have been Julia Annes brother.
I suppose you know about Julia Annes children, so it wouldn't be one of them.
Also where did you find William, Thomas, and Elizabeth children of Thomas and Harriet ? I can't see them on I.G.I.
Talk to you later.
Deno
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Hi Deno
Right, will try to answer your questions quickly as am due for Italian class shortly.
I think I must have got details of hurds from IGI. This is what I have.
Not in order. sorry
Edward Hurd ch 1st June 1829 Sandal Magna Thos & Harriot (sic)
Henry Hurd ch 11 Feb 1828 S.M Thos & H
Elizabeth Hurd ch 11 Feb 1828 same details
William Hurd ch. 18 Feb 1816 same
Thomas Hurd cch 12 Feb 1817 same
Frederick Hurd ch 8 Dec 1833 same
Julia Hurd ch 11 Feb 1828 same
James Hurd ch 11 Feb 1828 same
Charles Hurd ch 31 Jan 1831 same
Could have been some twins in there, but sometimes christenings were 'saved' and a couple or so children done at the same time to save money.
As for the Indian connection - over the years I've tried hard to find it. I can remember my Uncle Charlie (mums brother) said that the connection was nothing to do with the family - of course he could have been wrong. The only thing I could think of was that maybe it came from the Lamb family - Julia's mother married into that family - I think I mentioned. So possibly one of them joined the Army and went out to India. Don't know. Still searching.
Must go now. will write tomorrow and try to fathom out how to get the Death Cert to you thru this site.
Ciao
Headlands
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Buonasera
Just a thought, before I go to work. I don't need the actual cert. I will do a makeshift one with information you gave me thanks. Was Sarah the informant? on the certificate.
Catch you later
Bye
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Hello again.
Death Certificate of Charles Hurd.
1856 Deaths in the district of Wakefield in the county of York.
428 Twelfth April 1856 New Street. Charles Hurd. Male 25 years Taylor (sic) Journeyman. Arteriois pulmonalis
2 years certified. x the mark of Ann Horn present at the death. New Street Wakefield. Fourteenth April 1856.
Edward Brooke Registrar.
That's all that's on the cert.
It's interesting that Charles could at least write his name in what looks like a good hand, so I think was educated, but Sarah could not.
Another mystery for you:
I have Julia Ann's birth certificate which reads...
Twenty First January 1855 New Street. Julia Ann Girl. dau of Charles Hurd. (name surname and maiden name of mother) Sarah HURD formerly HORNER. Occ of father Tailor (Journeyman). x the mark of Sarah Hurd mother of New Street, Wakefield. Sixth Feb 1855. Edward Brook Registrar
I thought I'd seen horner somewhere - mystery isn't it. It really should be Halley.
Bye for now