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Title: Prisoners during the census
Post by: gerryfarrell on Monday 01 December 08 21:48 GMT (UK)

Hi All,

Can anyone advise if prisoners were recorded during the census and where we could find them?
We have both Sarah Blair aka Black aka Wilson (Naughty girl) and Michael Blair both in prison in 1881.
Both had been sentenced in Glasgow for theft & previous convictions.

Gerry

Title: Re: Prisoners during the census
Post by: apanderson on Monday 01 December 08 22:30 GMT (UK)

Hi Gerry,

The 1881 cencus on CD has a search facility but I couldn't find a match for any combination of your names.

The following are the institutions which are listed containing the words 'Glasgow' and 'Prison' (Glasgow coming up more regularly as a birthplace)

Institution:   "H M Prison Known As The North Prison"
Census Place:   Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Source:   FHL Film 0203647     GRO Ref    Volume 644-5    EnumDist 68    Pages 1 - 18

Institution:   "Prison" 3 Nelson St West
Census Place:   West Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Source:   FHL Film 0203574     GRO Ref    Volume 564-3    EnumDist 16    Pages 4 & 5

Institution:   "Gilmour St County Prison"
Census Place:   Paisley Middle Church, Renfrew, Scotland
Source:   FHL Film 0203582     GRO Ref    Volume 573    EnumDist 35      Pages 14 - 19

Dwelling:   Prison
Census Place:   Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland
Source:   FHL Film 0203692     GRO Ref    Volume 647    EnumDist 2    Page 62

Institution:   "Airdrie Prison"
Census Place:   New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Source:   FHL Film 0203696     GRO Ref    Volume 651-1    EnumDist 12    Pages  8 & 9

Institution:   "Her Majestys Prison" Regent Road Edinburgh
Census Place:   Edinburgh Greenside, Edinburgh, Scotland
Source:   FHL Film 0224003     GRO Ref    Volume 685-3    EnumDist 96    Page 2 - 13

Institution:   "Court Buildings Prison" Parliament Sq
Census Place:   Edinburgh New North, Edinburgh, Scotland
Source:   FHL Film 0224004     GRO Ref    Volume 685-4    EnumDist 12    Pages 11 - 13

Institution:   "County Prison"
Census Place:   Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
Source:   FHL Film 0224047     GRO Ref    Volume 821    EnumDist 2    Page 23

Institution:   "County Prison" 9 Bath Place
Census Place:   Ayr, Ayr, Scotland
Source:   FHL Film 0203590     GRO Ref    Volume 578    EnumDist 11    Page 34 - 38

Anne


 

Title: Re: Prisoners during the census
Post by: fivep on Tuesday 02 December 08 00:36 GMT (UK)

Hi Gerry,

I know they were sentenced in Glasgow, but I seem to remember that they were imprisoned in Perth.  I thought it might have been on the Trial Papers Outline, but I can't see it.  Maybe it was in one of the newspaper clippings we got.

Anyway, it might be worth a look at the Perth Prison.

Anne

Title: Re: Prisoners during the census
Post by: tidybooks on Tuesday 02 December 08 01:45 GMT (UK)

Hi Gerry,


Could this be the case fron the NAS, ref AD14/79/134

Sarah Wilson, alias Blair, Sarah; Flinn, Sarah, wife of James Wilson, labourer, m.s. Farrel or Farrell, Age: 29, weaver, Address: Kirk Street, Glasgow, with husband, Origin: James Wilson, alias Michael Blair, married, Age: 38, labourer, Address: Kirk Street, Glasgow, Origin: Native of Ireland

Tom

Title: Re: Prisoners during the census
Post by: tidybooks on Tuesday 02 December 08 02:09 GMT (UK)

Hi Gerry,

There is a James Wilson, born in Ireland in Duke St prison in 1881, also a Sarah Wilson, the ages are slightly out but it could be them.

Tom

Title: Re: Prisoners during the census
Post by: gerryfarrell on Tuesday 02 December 08 17:34 GMT (UK)

Hi tidybooks.

that sounds pretty promising. They were notorious for using alias names and were in & out of prison like fiddles elbows.
I'll check them out.

Title: Re: Prisoners during the census
Post by: Portygilr on Wednesday 31 December 08 15:33 GMT (UK)

Hi Gerry,  Where were your McGovern's from originally? and were
they ever known as McGauran/McGauran? My G Grandmother
was Maria McGurn - Father Bernard mother Mary possibly ms Keirnan (+var)  believe from Altbrean,Kinawley,Co.Cavan.

Just thought I'd ask, hope you don't mind?

Happy new Year
Anne - Edinburgh

Title: Re: Prisoners during the census
Post by: lzlogar on Wednesday 12 April 17 19:00 BST (UK)

I have a similar question.  I am looking at the 1881 Census that lists James Clarkson as a prisoner at 6 Bath Place Prison in Ayrshire.  He is listed as a clerk and a prisoner.  He later goes on to be a "drapery traveller," a reformed man apparently.  Any insights on this?

Title: Re: Prisoners during the census
Post by: ev on Thursday 13 April 17 08:58 BST (UK)

Hi ,

National Records of Scotland -
JC 26/1881/45(3rd May 1881)
Trial papers relating to James Clarkson for the crime of falsehood, fraud and wilful imposition, and previous conviction. Tried at High Court, Ayr.
Verdict , Guilty , Verdict Comments: Guilty in terms of own confession, Sentence Penal servitude - 7 years. Previous convictions , uttering.

James Clarkson , age 24 , mercantile clerk , Address- No fixed abode, Origin - Native of Carmichael Parish , Lanarkshire.



ev